Covid 19 -

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Agree we don't need to be "baby sat" 24/7, but can you imagine a CEO telling a large part of his/her organisation that they need to stay home, then the CEO heads to a footy game the next day? At least wait a couple of weeks. Technically nothing wrong, but it's just not a good look. People follow leaders. Anyhow.


Anyone seen this? It is rather hilarious. I think a lot of outsiders are misreading public sentiment in Australia, particular Victoria. I was following it last night, the responses were not very tame either.


https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...b9c9a74752af94


I almost think this virus is a higher being testing us. Do we value money or our lives? Are we willing to work together as a society or ? Ok thats getting a bit philosophical.

Well I thought you would have been at work everyday for the last few weeks instead of sitting typing out your load of drivel this morning.Everybody is entitled to time off.If they go to footy or the pub or wherever that is their privilege!not as if he did something illegal

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by cheap

You forgot to add that Scotty's been outstanding at throwing massive amounts of money at C19 - so back to my original question is there a recovery plan?

Has anyone? Getting through the short term is taking enough resources.

Seems to be a few approvals getting less red tape lately for mining, and you can bet infrastructure will get a boost aswell.

But, we dont even know what we are recovering from just yet, the next couple of months are going to get worse.

[DJR-351]

And just when you think youve heard it all......

Man, 30, dies after attending 'COVID party' and saying virus is a hoax

https://www.9news.com.au/world/coron...-party-_130720

A 30-year-old US man has died from coronavirus after attending a "COVID party" to test whether the virus is a hoax.

The man attended the party with an infected person and later died in Methodist Hospital in San Antonio, Texas, the hospital's Chief Medical Officer Dr Jane Appleby told the New York Times.

"I think I made a mistake. I thought this was a hoax, but it's not," the man told his nurse prior to dying, Dr Appleby said.

"COVID parties" are held to test whether coronavirus exists or to intentionally expose people to it, in an attempt to gain immunity.

The gatherings are "dangerous, irresponsible and potentially deadly," emergency physician at New York City's Lenox Hill Hospital, Dr Robert Glatter, told the Times.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

And just when you think youve heard it all......

Man, 30, dies after attending 'COVID party' and saying virus is a hoax

https://www.9news.com.au/world/coron...-party-_130720

Pretty indicative of a lot of Americans,in regard to this virus.Nothing unusual there.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Well I thought you would have been at work everyday for the last few weeks instead of sitting typing out your load of drivel this morning.Everybody is entitled to time off.If they go to footy or the pub or wherever that is their privilege!not as if he did something illegal

I understand my drivel causes some angst but my drivel this time actually agrees with your view that he is entitled to time off. Just questioned the timing that is all. But okay.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

And just when you think youve heard it all......

Man, 30, dies after attending 'COVID party' and saying virus is a hoax

https://www.9news.com.au/world/coron...-party-_130720

To everyone's disappointment I am still alive so it wasn't me

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by cheap

Hang on.

No one could have easily foreseen the fires. Scotty was on holiday and begrudgingly came back to Australian. I don't know about you but the optics didn't look good!

C19 didn't just happen, Scotty had 30-60 days advanced warning of this impending disaster and to be brutally honest he's done a **** poor part-time job.

Scotty seems more interested in doing soft stuff (photo opportunities) going to the football, having a beer, holding up a shovel.

If you don't believe me, check Scotty's own Twitter feed - it is mostly marketing drivel and NOTHING about C19 recovery. The part-time PM who specialises in social distancing?

As it's been pointed out to me "you get paid the big bucks, do the job or **** off!

Keep in mind the federal government is limited to what it can do - it can throw money around (or take it away), limit who comes into the country etc.

State governments are responsible for how they control COVID19 locally - they have more control over what happens within their borders.

Same with the bushfires - as much as you want to tilt at windmills doesn't matter if Scomo is in Hawaii or at the footy you don't have the CEO/GM of private enterprise turning the screwdriver.

Good leaders manage their team, they don't turn the screwdriver, you don't need Scomo in a fire truck or helping out at the drive through covid19 stations.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

And just when you think youve heard it all......

Man, 30, dies after attending 'COVID party' and saying virus is a hoax

https://www.9news.com.au/world/coron...-party-_130720

This was discussed on another forum and Twitter:

The no-name victim.
No medical history for the victim, for all we know 750lb weight, 60 cigarettes, 12 big mac's per day with BP of 240/180 along with a heredity cardiac condition and an undiagnosed brain aneurysm.
What did he actually die from? C19 of course.

BTW, Dr Jane Appleby is reporting something she overheard (a bit odd don't you think).

I wonder if it could possibly be Fake News?

Until there is a name, grieving fellow partygoers, and an autopsy, then this goes in the propaganda pile.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Keep in mind the federal government is limited to what it can do - it can throw money around (or take it away), limit who comes into the country etc.

State governments are responsible for how they control COVID19 locally - they have more control over what happens within their borders.

Same with the bushfires - as much as you want to tilt at windmills doesn't matter if Scomo is in Hawaii or at the footy you don't have the CEO/GM of private enterprise turning the screwdriver.

Good leaders manage their team, they don't turn the screwdriver, you don't need Scomo in a fire truck or helping out at the drive through covid19 stations.

I agree with you man, but perception towards those whom you govern goes a long way towards it. You don't have to be holding the fire hose but it does help if you are seen to actually care at the time of the current disaster.

Scomo or whoever is entitled to have time off, I do agree with that though. But as others have said, 'timing' is of the essence.

[guzzis3]

The problem with some of you is you start with an embedded unassailable hatred of people, political parties etc, then you go looking for excused to vent that hatred.

It has nothing to do with anything rational.

As I've said before in a democracy you get the government you deserve, the politicians are just a reflection of society, so what is the real problem ?

Oh and Franko, must try harder. Try licking some of your neighbours...

[russellw]

243 new cases for Australia and 1 death so CMR drops to 1.102% and active cases rise to 1,961 (20.0%). WA had 2 while NSW recorded 5 and the balance were in Victoria.

1 new case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.425% and active cases rise to 25.

The UK recorded 650 new cases and 21 deaths yesterday so the CMR drops to 15.476%.

Just under 62k new cases in the USA yesterday and 731 deaths sees CMR down to 4.095% and active cases at 51.5% but the raw numbers are rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases passed 13M - the last 1M in 5 days;
The USA had a 4th consecutive day with over 60k new cases;
The USA completes 42M and India 23M tests;
Argentina passes 100k cases;France passes 30k deaths;

Lebanon (166), Libya (86), Algeria (483), Kyrgyzstan (719), Panama (1,301), Dominican Republic (1,418), Bolivia (1,635), and India (29,108) recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[PhilT2]

Tise 37 year old victim of the virus is identified; He tested positive and died 3 days later. No known pre existing conditions.
https://crooksandliars.com/2020/07/o...r-saying-masks

[russellw]

A quick look at Victoria for daily new cases and active cases.

[zilo]

Missus is in isolation in a Hobart hotel. best western.....Phtttt.....LOL

She just HAD to go to that infected virus pit called Victoria...told her not to go but some gals just have a strong head..well....so she did....

They took all the knives and forks/glass etc out of the hotel room in case she wants to end it all...LOL...and not enough sheets to tie together to jump the balcony...

Police escort from airport to hotel...do not pass GO...do not collect $200...straight to jail....2 weeks...ahhhhhh

Today delivered the Acohol/sedative...no foxtel...no internet...gone over the monthly data in two days on the phone...

Ahhh...corona...the gift that just keep on giving...

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Polyal

But, we dont even know what we are recovering from just yet, the next couple of months are going to get worse.

Exactly..

[CyberWasp]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Unfortunately we are now in the hands of the dumbest 5% of the community, who will keep spreading this around for a much longer time than is necessary.
It is sad that a majority of people are trying to do the right things to minimise the spread and get things back to normal asap.

I said this at the end of March and it is still to sad to be true. Being winter now is not helping.

Welcome to Lockdown 2 - Remember that sequels always suck more than the original.

[Tickford.]

Riddle me this...

A 55 year old male, who has a liver issue, and thus, a slightly lower than normal immunity level as a side effect. Healthy otherwise, works, still does sport, and lives life as any normal 55 year old male would.

Said male contracts COVID. And dies soon after.

What was the cause of his death?

COVID? Or other?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Riddle me this...

A 55 year old male, who has a liver issue, and thus, a slightly lower than normal immunity level as a side effect. Healthy otherwise, works, still does sport, and lives life as any normal 55 year old male would.

Said male contracts COVID. And dies soon after.

What was the cause of his death?

COVID? Or other?

That one time he drank coconut water - that's enough to kill a bloke

[marty351]

Or he voted for Hillary.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Riddle me this...

What you want to be looking at is excess deaths... the additional number of deaths over a given period compared to previous periods.

If comorbidities were so significant, there should be very few excess deaths compared to previous years. Those people would be dying anyway.

[roKWiz]

[QUOTE=zilo;6464974]Missus is in isolation in a Hobart hotel. best western.....Phtttt.....LOL

She just HAD to go to that infected virus pit called MELBOURNE...told her not to go but some gals just have a strong head..well....so she did....

QUOTE]

Fixed that for you.

[russellw]

184 new cases for Australia and no deaths so CMR drops to 1.082% and active cases rise to 2,104 (21.1%). Queensland recorded 1 while NSW recorded 14 and the balance were in Victoria.

No new case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.425% and active cases remain at 25.

The UK recorded 530 new cases and 11 deaths yesterday so the CMR drops to 15.452%.

Just over 58k new cases in the USA yesterday and 380 deaths sees CMR down to 4.036% and active cases at 51.5% but the raw numbers are rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Turkey completes 4M, Spain 6M and the UK 12M tests;
North America passes 4M cases;
Asia passes 3M cases;

El Salvador (304), Algeria (494), Uzbekistan (594), Israel (1,962) and Oman (2,164) recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[cheap]

And then there are people like this far-quit.

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...5362326b4f3b04

[ford71V8]

Originally Posted by cheap

And then there are people like this far-quit.

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...5362326b4f3b04

Not sure if you are referring to the bike rider or the cop.


Looked to me like the cop made his own decision on what the right thing to do is.

[Tassie f100]

Maybe he slipped the cop a couple of greenies

[russellw]

A quick look at where the Victorian cases have been located for both all identified cases and currently active ones.

Each of the two graphs includes (in red) those shires outside the GMA.

[T3rminator]

Hi everyone. Just wanted to leave a quick note, and hopefully it helps someone. I know we've had a lot of different perspective on CV19. But can I ask that we please please take this virus seriously. I will admit I have been one of those that was aware of the seriousness of CV19, but never thought it was serious enough to affect me or someone close.

Last night we received news that a primary school teacher of mine (back in grade 1 and 2) had contracted CV19. Yep, we still kept in touch after all these years, and I'm now 41. She moved to Madagascar to teach a number of years ago. Anyhow, she had been feeling unwell for about 10 days. She finally decided to see a doctor a couple of days ago, they didnt have enough room for her in hospital, so she was made to recover at home. It didn't sound that serious at first, she even sent some photos of herself recovering on the couch. Today, we had news she lost her battle. She had no known pre-existing conditions that could have taken her so quickly. She was in her 60s. It has come as a big shock. She only came to visit me in Melbourne 18 months ago.

So I leave you with this message. Please please take this thing seriously. If you feel unwell, don't wait, go get tested. Use masks. Keep your distance. And avoid crowded places where social distancing is not possible. Don't take any risks. This virus is REAL and it does KILL.

[guzzis3]

Originally Posted by cheap

And then there are people like this far-quit.

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...5362326b4f3b04

He should be put down on compassionate grounds.

Not because he's a threat to my well being, just because he's a DH.

[Sprintey]

For those trying to have a chuckle through this, here's today's tragicomedy:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...ayors/12452450

"An online tourism campaign that uses colourful language to urge people to stay away from regional Victoria has raised the ire of some of the regions its trying to promote."

"We did a first run of six [posters] and we got inundated. Literally every town has asked for one," Mr Wheeler said."


Had a good laugh at the Portland one...

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by b0son

What you want to be looking at is excess deaths... the additional number of deaths over a given period compared to previous periods.

If comorbidities were so significant, there should be very few excess deaths compared to previous years. Those people would be dying anyway.

I keep hearing/reading about people dying and the argument is whether they died of Covid, or some other pre existing condition. See post #4148 for example.

So I put forward a scenario of a 55 year old male with a pre existing condition, who contracted Covid. Then died.

What was the reason for his death? Curious as to peoples thoughts.