I see Chinese made MGs everywhere!

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by mick taylor

The Jap Bikes of the 70's were good quality regarding the rest made, their was never an issue so much regarding Quality being the problem.

The Harden led Philips head bolts were the main issue.
Pommy bikes was oil leaks and electrical problems.

Knew your Triumph/BSA/Norton/AJS was outta oil…
When it stopped dripping on the garage floor

[lra]

I took the Territory for a roadworthy inspection early this morning, and had 30 minutes to kill before it would be done, so went for a coffee in the shopping centre, which was nearly deserted.

There were 2 Chinese SUVs on display in the centre ( won't name the brand, in case I get sued ) and I noticed a drip tray under one of them, with what looked like a shiny patch in it.
Hands and knees inspection showed me what looked like a puddle of fresh engine oil. From a leak ? Surely not ? It is a new car ? Meticulously prepared for public inspection ?
Wonder if the new models are better than the ones from 10 years ago, before the brand exited Australia leaving the owners with no dealers or back-up or parts ?

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Warrenk

Funny how history repeats itself. Pretty well sound like the majority of people in the late 60's about buying a Japanese made car.

The 1960's was a lot closer to 1941-45 and quite a few Aussies (and Yanks) had good memories of why they didn't buy Japanese.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

The 1960's was a lot closer to 1941-45 and quite a few Aussies (and Yanks) had good memories of why they didn't buy Japanese.

That was certainly a big factor.In fact on one of the UK Ford forums one guy actually said he still would not buy a Japanese car because of the ‘war’ & the way they treated prisoners.I came back & said well you are happy to buy a German car,& they did some terrible things to prisoners in the War.In other words move on.As a result I got hammered over that.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by lra

I took the Territory for a roadworthy inspection early this morning, and had 30 minutes to kill before it would be done, so went for a coffee in the shopping centre, which was nearly deserted.

There were 2 Chinese SUVs on display in the centre ( won't name the brand, in case I get sued ) and I noticed a drip tray under one of them, with what looked like a shiny patch in it.
Hands and knees inspection showed me what looked like a puddle of fresh engine oil. From a leak ? Surely not ? It is a new car ? Meticulously prepared for public inspection ?
Wonder if the new models are better than the ones from 10 years ago, before the brand exited Australia leaving the owners with no dealers or back-up or parts ?

Ha ha, would love to hear the excuse for that on the Chinese-Car-Enthusiast Facebook page. Let me guess, it's intentional so that the underside of car is protected from rust?

[ozpacman]

Originally Posted by mick taylor

The Jap Bikes of the 70's were good quality regarding the rest made, their was never an issue so much regarding Quality being the problem.

The Harden led Philips head bolts were the main issue.
Pommy bikes was oil leaks and electrical problems.

I too struggled with, and swore at what I thought were those 'cheese headed Phillips head' screws in the Japanese Bikes back in the 70's and 80's Mick.

A bit of age with it's accompanying experience and wisdom has since taught me that it wasn't Honda's fault at all. It was simply the case of we young blokes trying to use a Phillips screwdriver on a non-Phillips fastener. Japanese bikes used JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) machine screws. They look like Phillips but they're not. Use a JIS screwdriver and the difference is night and day! You will never strip the head of a JIS screw if you use a JIS screwdriver.

I'm still very much into motorcycles generally and have a SOHC CB750 parked in the living room just a few metres from where I'm typing this!

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by hackney

That was certainly a big factor.In fact on one of the UK Ford forums one guy actually said he still would not buy a Japanese car because of the ‘war’ & the way they treated prisoners.I came back & said well you are happy to buy a German car,& they did some terrible things to prisoners in the War.In other words move on.As a result I got hammered over that.

I believe that the Germans treatment was far better than that of the Japs tho in WW2 as their was standards set.
What them who were in the Jap camps objected to was the glee that was taken by such in how they dealt with them, i could inform you of such details but nowadays one is not allowed to point out such truths of what was done.

A mate of my dad was in a Jap camp and owned a Service Station and back in the 50's, 60's he would not service any Jap car at all, he toll them where to go directly, for he could not deal with such at all, the poor bloke seen such people as a insult to him, that such a one could give no regard for our lads that served. he would go off ballistic, not at the Japs but at Aussies for insulting him and the Lads that suffered.

The Germans were regarded as humans but not the Japs. plus German cars were seen to be a more advanced mode of car back in the 60's overall if you had that sort of money to fork out.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by mick taylor

I believe that the Germans treatment was far better than that of the Japs tho in WW2 as their was standards set.
What them who were in the Jap camps objected to was the glee that was taken by such in how they dealt with them, i could inform you of such details but nowadays one is not allowed to point out such truths of what was done.

A mate of my dad was in a Jap camp and owned a Service Station and back in the 50's, 60's he would not service any Jap car at all, he toll them where to go directly, for he could not deal with such at all, the poor bloke seen such people as a insult to him, that such a one could give no regard for our lads that served. he would go off ballistic, not at the Japs but at Aussies for insulting him and the Lads that suffered.

The Germans were regarded as humans but not the Japs. plus German cars were seen to be a more advanced mode of car back in the 60's overall if you had that sort of money to fork out.

Agree. My father's oldest brother was imprisoned by the Japs, working on the Burma railway, horrible stories my father told about his time there (he never spoke of it) And of course, at the time the Germans invading Australia were less of a threat.
Remember Japan did bomb Darwin.

[jpd80]

I’m wondering that with more MGs being sold each month, there’s going to be plenty filtering onto the used
market over the next five years and depending on price, that could be a cheap way to enter the BEV scene.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I’m wondering that with more MGs being sold each month, there’s going to be plenty filtering onto the used
market over the next five years and depending on price, that could be a cheap way to enter the BEV scene.

Would you?
Really?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by kevino

Would you?
Really?

Not me as I have zero need for a BEV, petrol will do me until I’m done with driving
but I can imagine loads of people out there looking at a cheap BEV as a second vehicle

[hackney]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Not me as I have zero need for a BEV, petrol will do me until I’m done with driving
but I can imagine loads of people out there looking at a cheap BEV as a second vehicle

Same here, I wouldn’t go near a second hand EV.

[Vekgib]

Originally Posted by hackney

Same here, I wouldn’t go near a second hand EV.

Same. I have no intention of spending what time I have left driving an EV

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Vekgib

Same. I have no intention of spending what time I have left driving an EV

Same!

I have no interest in listening to this.....................



................over this..................

[hackney]

I could have purchased an EV, but went down the Hybrid path instead.More than happy with it.

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by FTE217

MG are the Hyundai Excel when first into the

I disagree. The original 1986 Excel used quality Mitsubishi engines and transmissions, and was styled by Italdesign Giugiaro (the same guys who designed the DeLorean). The MGs don't compare.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by MrZ

I disagree. The original 1986 Excel used quality Mitsubishi engines and transmissions, and was styled by Italdesign Giugiaro (the same guys who designed the DeLorean). The MGs don't compare.

My BIL owned one. He thrashed it and it never died. The paint faded on it and everything. 5 speed manual and all. He would've kept it if he didn't crash it into a tree.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by MrZ

I disagree. The original 1986 Excel used quality Mitsubishi engines and transmissions, and was styled by Italdesign Giugiaro (the same guys who designed the DeLorean). The MGs don't compare.

AFAIK Mitsubishi didn't build the engines, they were built under licence in South Korea. I don't care who designed them , but they weren't exactly 'good looking' cars.

They were simple & durable but not the pinnacle of quality.

Dr Terry

[Syndrome]

2023 is over and the MG onslaught continues

7th place: 58,346 up 17.7 per cent

In 2024 MG will pass Mitsubishi for 6th place

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by MrZ

I disagree. The original 1986 Excel used quality Mitsubishi engines and transmissions, and was styled by Italdesign Giugiaro (the same guys who designed the DeLorean). The MGs don't compare.

Pretty sure you;will find they used Mitsushi design,built in Korea.bit like the Chinese “Cummins in some Chinese utes

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by MrZ

I disagree. The original 1986 Excel used quality Mitsubishi engines and transmissions, and was styled by Italdesign Giugiaro (the same guys who designed the DeLorean). The MGs don't compare.

sorry to burst your bubble, in the aftermarket where I get my first hand intel the X1 was a POS for starters.
Valve stems seals/rocker cover gaskets a plenty plus the front suspension was too soft couldn't cope and was junk.
Korean Engineers came over here road testing and get the thing in better order for X2 on.
Aftermarket made a motza selling Excel parts.
Sure some lasted but most things mitsu back those days and pre didn't have a great rep at all.

As for the MG, figuritively speaking the first model was/is the modern day X1.
When your experiecing auto box failures so early in its life is woeful going to market in todays world.
I'm sure they have resolved alot since gen1.

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by FTE217

sorry to burst your bubble, in the aftermarket where I get my first hand intel the X1 was a POS for starters.
Valve stems seals/rocker cover gaskets a plenty plus the front suspension was too soft couldn't cope and was junk.
Korean Engineers came over here road testing and get the thing in better order for X2 on.
Aftermarket made a motza selling Excel parts.
Sure some lasted but most things mitsu back those days and pre didn't have a great rep at all.

As for the MG, figuritively speaking the first model was/is the modern day X1.
When your experiecing auto box failures so early in its life is woeful going to market in todays world.
I'm sure they have resolved alot since gen1.

Auto box failures? How? With four whole forward gears?

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by ToryMikey

Auto box failures? How? With four whole forward gears?

Why not have trans failures with 4spd autos.Both the 3spd Trimatics and 3spd BW 39-40-55s were far from being failure proof.Same with the 4spd Ford autos

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Why not have trans failures with 4spd autos.Both the 3spd Trimatics and 3spd BW 39-40-55s were far from being failure proof

Yes but they were from 40 years ago! When we perfected the 4 speed auto in Albury in 1990 there's no excuse for such failure prone 4 speed torque converter autos in this day and age.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by ToryMikey

Yes but they were from 40 years ago! When we perfected the 4 speed auto in Albury in 1990 there's no excuse for such failure prone 4 speed torque converter autos in this day and age.

Where do you get that the 4spd Ford auto is perfect.seen plenty of them fail

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Where do you get that the 4spd Ford auto is perfect.seen plenty of them fail

After 30 years, minimal (if any) fluid changes and being flogged. Not 1-2 years on the road! The only way to grenade a BTR that new would be to put DexronIII in it.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by ToryMikey

Yes but they were from 40 years ago! When we perfected the 4 speed auto in Albury in 1990 there's no excuse for such failure prone 4 speed torque converter autos in this day and age.

That is the key statement - 'we' who were a mature auto industry with many decades of design and manufacturing experience.

MG on the other hand are still learning even if the the technology they use is decades old.

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

That is the key statement - 'we' who were a mature auto industry with many decades of design and manufacturing experience.

MG on the other hand are still learning even if the the technology they use is decades old.

That is true, that said I wouldn't want to be spending my own hard earned money on a vehicle from a manufacturer that as you put it are "still learning". Heck I'm not even convinced the Koreans are there yet. Not to mention the shady government dealings, not a fan of the CCP at all.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by ToryMikey

After 30 years, minimal (if any) fluid changes and being flogged. Not 1-2 years on the road! The only way to grenade a BTR that new would be to put DexronIII in it.

What! So you are trying to tell me that BTR trans last 30 years.I can assure you there were plenty that died at 200ks at 5-10 years

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by ToryMikey

That is true, that said I wouldn't want to be spending my own hard earned money on a vehicle from a manufacturer that as you put it are "still learning". Heck I'm not even convinced the Koreans are there yet. Not to mention the shady government dealings, not a fan of the CCP at all.