Wheels 'Ford Mustang V8 scores ‘poor’ 2-star safety rating'

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

Awwww a bromance. Ya got any pics of the 2/3/4 generation 'Maggie' to add to the slide show? Dunno who's more of a Numpty, the bloke who said he doesn't like the 5th generation, or the bloke who then puts a picture up trying to what?....change his mind - I'd use the word muppet.

This from someone who gushes over a hairdressers car

[4stanger]

Originally Posted by pauljh74

If the IIHS and NHTSA both gave Mustang high, if not maximum ratings, then how could it be unsafe? You have one testing standard - which has moved the goalposts significantly it seems that gives the Mustang 2 stars and now it is suddenly unsafe? This is why people are hesitant to accept the rating.

You have the NHTSA 5 star rating and the NCAP 2 star rating with test done in controlled environments and crash test dummies etc.,
How about a real world crash test like this from the 6g Mustang forum; http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76203
Yesterday just before 3:00 a.m. I was driving through Riverside California alone and road crew was closing some lanes so I moved to the fast lane and stopped with traffic. While stopped a mid 90's Camry plowed into me at 65 mph without even braking. My car was lifted and thrown into the the next lane over to be struck by another car and I was pushed into the car in front of me as well. Within seconds of the crash the car called emergency services even though no airbags were deployed. The restraints did their job because I did not hit the steering wheel. The seat back was collapsed in semi reclining position. While giving information to operator several people came to my car to check on me. Someone opened the door and 3 guys proceeded to check my pockets for my wallet and valuables while I'm lying there! One of the guys was attempting to yank the phone from my hand while I was using it. After brush them away they took off after seeing emergency personnel arriving. I did not know how injured I was so I stayed put. The motorist that hit me approached me and told me he was the one who hit me and that he just bought the car that day and had no insurance and license. He then ask me if I would go with him to side of a freeway and follow him to an ATM to retrieve all $140 to his name to compensate me for damages...I declined. He was arrested on the scene for DUI. By then help arrived and they hauled me off to the ER. I was admitted in serious condition but had no bleeding. They did xrays and an MRI and concluded that I suffered no injuries. Just lots of bruising and would be sore for a good week (I am). I was told by the first CHP officer that I should not have survived the collision. Here are some before and after pictures of my Performance Plus Premium Ecoboost. One thing that really impressed me is how intact the passenger compartment was. Both doors opened freely despite all the damage. The fuel tank did not rupture. I know I was very lucky but I'm convinced engineering save my life as well...This car saved my life last night

I would like to know how the all important safety assistance devices that NCAP put a high relevance to, would have faired in this situation, where a car is cued in a line up of cars (more or less a sitting duck) gets rear ended and pushed into oncoming traffic, I can't see BLIS, AEB & etc. doing much to prevent this . I would be guessing that smaller vehicles that get a 5 star through NCAP mostly through their safety features would have faired a bit worse for the occupant/s.

[GTP534]

^^^^ I wouldn't worry about it, 4stanger.

The rhetorics will just seize on the 2-Star rating as if that is the be all and end all in comparisons with 5-Star cars. You can demonstrate with facts that the actual crash data shows Mustang to be a far safer crash performer than what a 2-Star rating might imply, but they won't listen.

You can demonstrate that a driver in a Mustang sustains a lower HIC (Head Injury Criterion) than in an MX5, Mazda 2, i20, FG Falcon, BMW i3 (couldn't find Suzuki Baleno crash data on ANCAP). You can also demonstrate that the Mustang was subjected to more tests than the cars above.

It won't change their opinion - "Paul Maric said I shouldn't drive a Mustang" - these people have blinkers on and the vast majority either don't own an S550 Mustang or never will - and if they use the 2-Star rating to justify their decision that's up to them.

I happen to own one and I took the 2-Star safety rating very seriously. That's why I looked at the data behind the ratings and was pleasantly surprised with the results. If the Mustang had of achieved very bad HIC results I would have been worried, but it didn't.

It is an inherently safe car and with some tweeking of the air bags and the driver assist equipment it will achieve 5-Stars.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

Awwww a bromance. Ya got any pics of the 2/3/4 generation 'Maggie' to add to the slide show? Dunno who's more of a Numpty, the bloke who said he doesn't like the 5th generation, or the bloke who then puts a picture up trying to what?....change his mind - I'd use the word muppet.

Both are great lookers, just the 5th is more Chris and the 6th more Sharon........

[prydey]

Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

The Mazda MX5 based on the new rating scored a lot better than the Stang.
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From the Ancap report for mazda mx-5 in the front offset test
http://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.ancap.co...pdf?1464759357

The driver’s head contacted the A-pillar during the crash and then
contacted the steering wheel through the airbag.

hmm, no mention of this by all the zealots and media outlets.
Mazda was tested in 2016, not 2017, so not the same protoclos. also assessed by ANCAP not E-NCAP so less criteria to pass. So many comments in this thread highlight how much they have screwed this system by not moving to a 6+ star rating.

[five 7]

Originally Posted by tweeked

Both are great lookers, just the 5th is more Chris and the 6th more Sharon........

HaHa.....

[Nikked]

Recently had some bloke on facebook share one of the articles on the mustang...seems this AU (i think he did) owning soldier was on a crusade to prove how unsafe they are.

I asked him to look at the actual crash test data, suggested he researched, his reaction was to "suggest i read the article" and that he isn't to blame, just doesn't want people in "death traps"...


*sigh*

[mike_nofx]

Are Mustang buyers the type to even look at crash test data before buying? I guess the answer is obviously not since most of them sold before any data.

Hell, the last car I bought doesn't even have door intrusion bars.

All this means is that the next Mustang will come out with some new ****y safety features. No big loss I guess.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Are Mustang buyers the type to even look at crash test data before buying?

Probably not, but when a car does so poorly, it has an impact on the image of the rest of the brand. There'd be more than a few people who read the headline and decided not to even bother looking at a Ford of any sort for their next purchase.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by b0son

Probably not, but when a car does so poorly, it has an impact on the image of the rest of the brand. There'd be more than a few people who read the headline and decided not to even bother looking at a Ford of any sort for their next purchase.

Mustang and F Trucks aside - as F Truck buyers probably don't look at crash data either - there's not much else left from Ford worth buying anyway!

[GTP534]

Are Mustang buyers the type to even look at crash test data before buying? I guess the answer is obviously not since most of them sold before any data.

It wasn't a factor in the purchase as it performed well in the US, which is, after all, the home of Ralph Nader. (For those old enough to remember!)

But it was a concern when the 2-Star rating was announced. I thought it couldn't really be that bad.

I decided to look further into the ratings and crash data, as did a few others on here, and I am quite comfortable in my own mind that it isn't the "safety ****box" others who have jumped on the bandwagon would try to make out.

I went for my usual Sunday drive this morning and it gave me a 5-Star smile on my dial!

[deesun]

Originally Posted by GTP534

It wasn't a factor in the purchase as it performed well in the US, which is, after all, the home of Ralph Nader. (For those old enough to remember!)

But it was a concern when the 2-Star rating was announced. I thought it couldn't really be that bad.

I decided to look further into the ratings and crash data, as did a few others on here, and I am quite comfortable in my own mind that it isn't the "safety ****box" others who have jumped on the bandwagon would try to make out.

I went for my usual Sunday drive this morning and it gave me a 5-Star smile on my dial!

You and others, I was at the local Supercheap and followed a bloke out who looked like a Mustang owner. As it was he went to the one sitting out front I had seen and as he was getting in I said " copped any flack over the 2 star rating" he looked at me and said " I don't give a stuff" we laughed and went on our merry ways. lol.

[jgmdat]

Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

http://www.caradvice.com.au/517368/i...?source=plista

I absolutely love the Mustang, but I agree with Paul about not touching one till Ford sorts its safety out.

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Don't visit that website much but is this the same guy that tested a Falcon or Commodore ute once and complained that he couldn't get the tonneau cover on. If so, some real credibility right there.

[Sprintey]

Yep I was stunned when CA did an article on one of their journos who was learning to drive a manual!!!

[SpoolMan]

The rating played no factor in my purchase, given the waiting lists I guess I am not the only one.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by SpoolMan

The rating played no factor in my purchase, given the waiting lists I guess I am not the only one.

Of course it didn't affect your purchase or the current waiting list as the rating only came out. I do think it is very naive to think it won't affect future orders. I'm not saying that sales are going to all of a sudden drop, buy Ford will lose sales because of this. As I said before in this topic, I have (had) every plan to buy a new Mustang mid next year as my next car & this is very much in question now. I'll either buy something else or I'm actually considering waiting for the next all new one in hopes the safety is fixed (and MkII looks has turned me off a little too). As Ford fans, we shouldn't be swiping this under the carpet. This result is just not good enough from Ford. 2 stars when other Ford products are getting 5 stars under this system (air bags not inflating correctly is just plan disgusting!!). Ford stuffed up here, let’s not mix words!!

[GTP534]

^^^^ I think you should do a bit more research into "the system" and get some mince into your words so that you'll be better informed. Just don't compare the stars, find out how what you might buy actually performs against the Mustang.

[GasoLane]

I just had a quick look at the ANCAP site and this is all the cars they've tested in the 'sports car' category.
Not a Porsche or Mercedes SLK's in sight.

Ford Ford Mustang V8 Fastback
Mazda MX-5
Audi TT 2.0L
Hyundai Veloster
Toyota 86
Subaru BRZ
Volkswagen Golf Cabriolet
Peugeot 308CC


ANCAP had to ask their European counterpart to do the testing, but even the Euro NCAP don't have a category for Sports cars but a 'Roadster Sport' which includes.....

2017 rating
Ford mustang 2 stars

2015 Rating
BMW Z4 ... 3 stars.
Mazda MX5...4 stars
Audi TT...4 stars
These were tested under the 2015 rating.

The Mustang is the only Sports car to be tested under the 2017 rating system..........not really a level playing field.

In fact the only Porsche on the entire Euro NCAP site was a 2014 Porsche Macan, a small suv.
Curious how no other Porsche's have been tested, especially in Europe where sales may be effected.


Am I the only one who thinks this is some sort of witch hunt

http://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-r...eTechnologies=

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by GTP534

^^^^ I think you should do a bit more research into "the system" and get some mince into your words so that you'll be better informed. Just don't compare the stars, find out how what you might buy actually performs against the Mustang.

Personally I don't car about the number what has me most concerned is the comments below.. These aren't small issues & are basic fundamental problems with the design. If it was just bells & whistles causing the number to be low, I'd be "who cares", but it's not sadly. At the end of the day, each to there own, but it's enough of a problem for this buyer to be rethinking my purchase.

“This isn’t a score because it’s missing rear seatbelt reminders,” said Goodwin. “Fundamentally it also hasn’t performed well structurally. There is serious risk of head, leg and chest injuries for rear passengers. There was also insufficient inflation of both driver and passenger airbags in frontal offset test, which allowed the driver’s head to contact the steering wheel and the passenger’s head to contact the dashboard. The driver’s door opened in the pole test and the whiplash protection for rear-end collisions was only rated as marginal.”

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Of course it didn't affect your purchase or the current waiting list as the rating only came out.!

Only write this last night in another thread.
We would order another one tomorrow if we didn't have 7 grand-kids, my wife is more than keen to have her own Mustang, she does miss the lane warning assist which she has in her Qashqai, this is something that can be installed aftermarket if one wishes.

Originally Posted by Joe5619

I have (had) every plan to buy a new Mustang mid next year as my next car & this is very much in question now. I'll either buy something else or I'm actually considering waiting for the next all new one in hopes the safety is fixed (and MkII looks has turned me off a little too).

Its good to have choice and we have over 50 car brands to choose from, good luck with your new car purchase, the Mustang is outstanding value for your performance dollar.


edit add.
Genuine Ford Parts LANE DEPARTURE WARNING for 2016 Ford Mustang, can only assume come from another Ford model.
http://www.tascaparts.com/auto-parts...e-warning-scat

[simon varley]

which rear seat passengers are these? with the seat in my driving position there is less than 1" gap to the rear seat. kid's aren't coming in this car with us.....

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Am I the only one who thinks this is some sort of witch hunt

The deeper you delve into it the more likely that seems.



Why is nobody cracking a sad over this... (no not the Mustang but the MX5)

EuroNcap's crash report says "the driver's airbag did not have sufficient pressure to prevent the head from making contact with the steering wheel, through the airbag material", while Ancap's report says "the driver's head contacted the A-pillar during the crash and then contacted the steering wheel through the airbag".

"We found that the full deployment of the airbag was too early to protect the head as we would have hoped,"

[Sabantien]

Went shopping with the missus today. She was still shopping well after I finished, so popped into a ford dealership that has set up in the Westfield.

Loved the Mustang!
And so did a lot of people. Plenty of women checking it out, and so many people taking photos with it.

Looks to me that a lot of people aren't that worried about the 2 star.

Admittedly no one was putting down a deposit, although a woman did check it out quite thoroughly and ask about pricing.

[roddy1960]

G'day , In over a year I've seen two , both moving as I passed them going the other way..Today was Launceston Cup Day so for some strange reason , we in the north of the state get a holiday because we don't get a Regatta Day like in Hobart....At 11 am on my way to get some groceries and the paper I saw two new Stangs parked pretty close to each other near Post Office..I went round to the newsagency , quickly got the paper and headed back hoping to get a proper look..took me maybe three minutes.By the time I got back I saw one already was just heading off and the other one just about to..By the time I'd stopped and got out , both were heading past the pub corner ..If I'd come along the street five minutes earlier i might have got a proper close up look at last.. Both were white..
I expect they were visitors who were in the State for the big Deloraine Car Show last weekend where 12 Mustangs were scheduled to be one of the main features and had stopped on for a bit of a holiday..unless they were on a car mag shoot or something..or it was a total coincidence (Nup)
Might have to hope to see one in a dealership one day soon otherwise...
Back directly on the safety rating issues . Performance , looks and image aside , I expect Ford will attend to the Airbags deployment and certain other issues mentioned over time because the investment in this car is massive for a global market and whatever it costs to rectify will no doubt be small potatoes compared to a bad perceived image that could affect overall sales..Can't wait to have a proper look at one though just the same to see what all the fuss is about. Better yet have a good talk to an actual owner..That'd be extra good...Bloody near today...BUGGER....

Cheers Rod.. .

[Bossxr8]

I can't see what the big deal is about protecting the rear seat passengers. Ain't no one sitting anyone back there. And how could they be protected anyway when the seat back is 5 inches away from their face, even if someone could fit back there. It's completely irrelevant, and is one reason why they never usually test these sort of cars.

[Sabantien]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I can't see what the big deal is about protecting the rear seat passengers. Ain't no one sitting anyone back there. And how could they be protected anyway when the seat back is 5 inches away from their face, even if someone could fit back there. It's completely irrelevant, and is one reason why they never usually test these sort of cars.

Yes! I laughed when I looked into the back seat. I'm pretty sure my seat was flush up against it. I suppose if I was super short, maybe a kid would fit back there. Maybe.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Personally I don't car about the number what has me most concerned is the comments below.. These aren't small issues & are basic fundamental problems with the design. If it was just bells & whistles causing the number to be low, I'd be "who cares", but it's not sadly. At the end of the day, each to there own, but it's enough of a problem for this buyer to be rethinking my purchase.

“This isn’t a score because it’s missing rear seatbelt reminders,” said Goodwin. “Fundamentally it also hasn’t performed well structurally. There is serious risk of head, leg and chest injuries for rear passengers. There was also insufficient inflation of both driver and passenger airbags in frontal offset test, which allowed the driver’s head to contact the steering wheel and the passenger’s head to contact the dashboard. The driver’s door opened in the pole test and the whiplash protection for rear-end collisions was only rated as marginal.”

Goodwin's comments don't match the crash test data.

As has been said here many times, the HIC scores for driver and passenger are as good if not better than many 5 star cars.

He's hoping to keep his job post 2017.

[Sprint XR8]

ANCAP CEO James Goodwin has no technical qualifications or role he's just there to look after ANCAP's financial affairs and government funding.
Prior to his appointment at ANCAP in September 2015 he was the AAA director for government funding and communications, and prior to that a journalist in Sydney and Canberra.

[roddy1960]

G'day....Woo Hoo...I've now seen one...Race Red I think it was . It was VERY red...Forgot to ask owner to confirm that fact though..
She was a Victorian number plated one , touring around after the Mustang thing in Tasmania last weekend. They were heading to Swansea on the East Coast tonight and Hobart tomorrow...
I was at the service station with my recently purchased 1985 Honda Accord (knockabout) to get a new cap and rotor and ignition leads when the 5.0 GT pulled up at the pumps.. Couldn't bloody believe it after yesterday's near miss having a squizz went a begging with two white ones.. Bloody phone was at home otherwise I would have taken a photo..
I had a quick look inside and out...Pretty nice indeed.. Nice bloke with a heavily strapped knee and a slight accent. from non OZ... ..He's pretty chuffed with it..Wouldn't dare ask about safety ratings and stuff...Not polite..
Regardless of that..NOW , I've had a reasonable look at one..Cheers Rod..

[rjk74]

We need to look at the Germans perspective on the Mustang.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PEXlveDqUM