Pedestrian Run Down By Cyclist - Page 14

LG17 · 20-01-2015, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tempted

Isn't it funny how cyclists whinge and moan about being stereotyped

Terrible and dangerous I know but I'm going to make an assumption here that you are referring to my post even though you didn't actually directly reply to it.

I have a question.

Did you see the word "MAYBE" at the beginning of the sentence?

Didn't think so...

Ben73 · 20-01-2015, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

If your bike has been selected with commuting in mind, it shouldn't be a major issue. But you get cyclists that think they're the next TDF winner, and they buy some carbon thing with pencil-thin tyres that are impractical on anything other than a billiard table.... though to be fair, how many clowns in cars that have been lowered way too far have to stop traffic just to negotiate a speed bump? The other issue is that the further left you go, it seems to encourage some drivers to lane-split, which is just stupid.

Exactly, buy the right equipment for the intended purpose.
I have rode a proper road bicycle once. The rubber band tyres and no suspension would be fantastic in a velodrome or on a good cycleway, but terrible to ride on public roads.

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Originally Posted by MAGPIE

What a load of crap !

In 28 years of driving and cycling I have never seen a cyclist swerve across the lane they were in into another to avoid debris or a pothole.

A metre maybe but a whole lane plus more c'mon

I suppose no car driver has ever swerved to avoid a pothole and save their precious rims

I have seen a bike swerve from the shoulder lane into the regular lane in a 70 zone in front of a 4x4 almost killing himself. Might not be common, but it does happen. Seen others make drastic turns within their own lane to avoid things. When riding myself I have never personally come across any rouge killer rocks that have threatened my safety. I have hit the odd pot hole or some shattered glass, but never have got a flat from it.

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Originally Posted by Guzz226

I got thru 23 intersections with traffic lights and numerous roundabouts on my way to work - today I was "held up" by pedestrians 7 times for maybe a maximum of 2 minutes perhaps (ie 7 times, approx 15 seconds each).

Also had two situations where I had to go around cyclists riding on a 2 lane 60kmh road - each time probably cost me 20-30 seconds? Say a total of a minute.

Is my math incorrect?

So on balance pedestrians added more time to my commute - this morning at least. But really who cares? Waiting in line due to other cars added way more time and inconvenience than pedestrians or cyclists - the 45min drive takes less than 30mins non peak.

I took notice of all this today in an attempt to quantify that stuff happens and we all need to just take a breath and get along.

True it's not a long time. I don't think all drivers are concerned about the time delay, but more the attitude of some cyclists and the way they ride, putting themselves into illegal and dangerous situations. Even worse when they do that, then whinge if some goes wrong.

penske61 · 20-01-2015, 10:09 PM

How about we stick to the facts and not just go cyclist bashing.

1/ Pedestrian got hit by a cyclist running a light...what a car has never hit a cyclist running a red light?
2/ Cyclist vs car/truck/motorcycle...cyclist loses every time. they break the rules they get hurt, badly.

Seriously, yes they are idiots if they run reds or break the road rules, but at the end of the day they come off the worst 99 times out of 100.

Can we just close this thread now...

superyob · 20-01-2015, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by penske61

How about we stick to the facts and not just go cyclist bashing.

1/ Pedestrian got hit by a cyclist running a light...what a car has never hit a cyclist running a red light?
2/ Cyclist vs car/truck/motorcycle...cyclist loses every time. they break the rules they get hurt, badly.

Seriously, yes they are idiots if they run reds or break the road rules, but at the end of the day they come off the worst 99 times out of 100.

Can we just close this thread now...

Noooooooooooooooooo!!!! There is so much more say by various protagonists who, I am sure, can regale us readers with more fun filled facts and opinions regarding the proclivities, or lack thereoff, of our cyling brethren...

Guzz226 · 20-01-2015, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by superyob

Noooooooooooooooooo!!!! There is so much more say by various protagonists who, I am sure, can regale us readers with more fun filled facts and opinions regarding the proclivities, or lack thereoff, of our cyling brethren...

Opinions yes, facts? Not so much!

**cs123** · 20-01-2015, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by penske61

How about we stick to the facts and not just go cyclist bashing.

1/ Pedestrian got hit by a cyclist running a light...what a car has never hit a cyclist running a red light?
2/ Cyclist vs car/truck/motorcycle...cyclist loses every time. they break the rules they get hurt, badly.

Seriously, yes they are idiots if they run reds or break the road rules, but at the end of the day they come off the worst 99 times out of 100.

Can we just close this thread now...

I agree that this thread is getting a bit petty and repetitive but the line of "only the cyclist gets hurt" doesn't wash. We have a bunch of laws that are in place to protect the person from themselves ie seatbelts, helmets laws are enforced.

Cyclists should demand that everyone is treated equally and everyone obeys the road rules. They should be the group leading the push for compliance for all road users. Hop onto any cyclist forum and you will see threads of hundreds of pages devoted to moron motorists. Cyclists go armed with video so they can report people to the police. On the same forum you see "excuses" made for cyclists breaking the rules.

The best thing that cyclists can do is to set an example through their own behaviour.

flooded one · 21-01-2015, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mik

Some things to things to take from this thread
1. Humans often do dumb things
2. humans often have lack a of attention
3. Bikes are dangerous
4. cars are dangerous
5. trucks are dangerous

The road is a dangerous place !

true, but who's the one who has to live with the fact a cyclist went in front of his truck??? not exactly something you'd wanna live with, especially if the cyclists just went out in front of truck with out any warning

flooded one · 21-01-2015, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cs123

The best thing that cyclists can do is to set an example through their own behaviour.

this is the smartest comment I have read In this thread. Its also goes for motorists. when I ride my cheap **** $179 push bike I brought 2 years ago. I don't have much problems, might be because I am always aware of whats going around me. I always keep as far left as practical and if traffic is to heavy. I will use a foot path. I actually prefer to use foot paths as the paths take you in places cars cant go (legally) I don't where lycra either

Xauterus · 21-01-2015, 01:46 AM

That is true. Car enthusiasts have the same issues with anti hoon laws. Someone has a modified car and they are labelled as a hoon. Lots of generalisations happening here.

I would prefer idiots are removed from the road, whatever method of transport they control.

Guzz226 · 21-01-2015, 07:16 AM

If I ever see a cyclist break the law eg run a red light, my default question I yell to them is ' would you do that in a car'? So get agro, some just ignore.

And I ask this every time whether I am riding, driving or walking when see it.

Like the hoon example for drivers, the minority can give the rest a bad name - the idea the the rest should demand the minority pull their heads in is admirable but flawed as it will work for some but not all.

Some people just believe they are a law unto themselves no matter what they are doing or who else it in endangers.

LTDHO · 21-01-2015, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by aussiblue

it amazes me how many drivers don't know the law

End topic!
I couldn't agree more. I used to be amazed but sadly used to it now.

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Originally Posted by aussiblue

The police also often run ads in the paper and on TV reminding drivers but it doesn't seem to sink in.

I can't say I have ever seen anything promoting or advertising road law. I'd support it 100%

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Originally Posted by marty351

WOW! Just news to me. I was taught that unless it was a marked crossing, pedestrians give way. I suppose we need to protect the drunks from themselves.
I have learned something new.

All the rules are online, have a read. I do very frequently. I suggest everyone does. But, most don't want their pride damaged and are content in thinking they already know all the rules. Or they just don't care.

**aussiblue** · 21-01-2015, 09:38 AM

Jaguar have an answer http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/n...20-12u00v.html

blueoval · 21-01-2015, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by aussiblue

Jaguar have an answer http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/n...20-12u00v.html

post #423 bloke

prydey · 21-01-2015, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by wildrider

I will use a foot path.

unless you are 12 or under, or its a shared path, i'm pretty sure its illegal.

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Originally Posted by wildrider

I don't where lycra either

i've seen this sort of comment pop up a few times in this thread now and it annoys me, as people obviously seem to think that wearing the right clothes is just for looks or something.

you wouldn't go for a jog in thongs or boots would you? would you play cricket without pads?

cycling clothes are for a purpose. i'm rarely on my bike for less than an hour, and often well over 3 hours. my longest ride is 170km. try doing that in something other than the right clothes and you would be extremely sore.

there should not be a stigma attached to those who like to wear the right equipment. people don't look down on motorcyclists who wear leather. its no different.

new2ford · 21-01-2015, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tempted

The roads were built for transportation,

Bicycles are a form of transportation!

As for recreation, should we ban "road trips" and "Sunday drives" in cars?!

No jokes about "sunday drivers" please ;)

mcnews · 21-01-2015, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tempted

The roads were built for motorised transportation, they are not training tracks.

How about everyone just be courteous, share the road and get along.... Novel concept huh......

prydey · 21-01-2015, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mcnews

How about everyone just be courteous, share the road and get along.... Novel concept huh......

that will never catch on.

prydey · 21-01-2015, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tempted

Typical cyclists

pull your head in mate. you can't continue to tar all cyclists with the same brush. how would you know whether or not 'mcnews' is or isn't courteous and respectful on the roads?? you don't, so stop making ridiculous generalised statements about things you know nothing about. its getting very tedious.

blueoval · 21-01-2015, 11:26 AM

SMH - close this thread already

new2ford · 21-01-2015, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tempted

I can and I will.

The subject is not black and white. There are issues on both sides and don't forget many people are motorists and cyclists and pedestrians. Well, in fact all of us are also pedestrians. All road space users need to respect each other.

My only two bob's worth is that there is merit in discussing some form of insurance/ID for cyclists to cover those instances where they are at fault and e.g. injure a pedestrian as per the original post. Nobody should be exempt from personal liability.

prydey · 21-01-2015, 11:28 AM

oh dear....

ratter · 21-01-2015, 11:31 AM

It's scary that we have people in society like that!

prydey · 21-01-2015, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by new2ford

My only two bob's worth is that there is merit in discussing some form of insurance/ID for cyclists

what you will find is that many cyclists would be more than happy to have a system like this implemented.

i would be more than happy to wear ID, and more than happy to pay a fee to cover third party injury. i know many others who think the same way.

i believe there are companies out there that already provide this, but its not compulsory to have insurance to ride.

DBourne · 21-01-2015, 11:36 AM

You're an idiot Tempted. I know we aren't meant to say such things, but honestly mate, you're a dead set idiot.

We (cyclists) would LOVE to contribute to the roads.. Oh wait.. our taxes already do! So you can shut up about that.

We've heard you crap on and on and on and on about the bad cyclists that "abuse" the road rules a million times. Gee you've caught us! we are all secretly anarchists.

Oh wait, that's complete rubbish too.

Yes you've come across some bad cyclists, but jesus mate, let it go. You come across bad drivers all the time, yet you don't seem to have such a big chip on your shoulder about them..

Did a bike bite you once? Is that why you're so irrationally upset about it?

You want me to have a licence plate on my bike? No problems mate! Let's do it! I feel sorry for you when you follow me around 24/7 waiting for me to slip up and all you get is footage of my licence plate abiding by the road rules.

But wait.. you can't handle the truth that the VAST MAJORITY of cyclists are law abiding riders.

You can't handle the fact that some simple courtesy from BOTH PARTIES (you reading this mate? You seeing that I said BOTH PARTIES) would result in a much better road system.

I'm not lobbying for cyclists to get everything their way, that is completely stupid as well.

I'm simply saying, if cyclists can ride to the law, and with courtesy (which I practice EVERY.SINGLE.RIDE)

and

Drivers can drive to the law, and with courtesy (which I admit, I probably do a lot less than I should)

all would be well.

Now, did I space that out enough for you?? Were you able to keep up?

PS. I'm just about to head out for a ride, I'm sure that'll annoy you, knowing that I'm out, enjoying life on Sydney roads..

blueoval · 21-01-2015, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tempted

Yeah close the thread when you can't handle the truth.

go home and cry to mummy sunshine.

You need to seek professional help with that big chip on your shoulder.

Guzz226 · 21-01-2015, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

what you will find is that many cyclists would be more than happy to have a system like this implemented.

i would be more than happy to wear ID, and more than happy to pay a fee to cover third party injury. i know many others who think the same way.

i believe there are companies out there that already provide this, but its not compulsory to have insurance to ride.

I always carry if when I ride

I have said multiple times in this thread I would be the first to pay rego and CTP as it also provides benefits to cyclists that they don't have today

Also kills the number one simpleton argument that cyclists don't pay their way

So who do I send my cheque to?

Guzz226 · 21-01-2015, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SgtBourne

You're an idiot Tempted. I know we aren't meant to say such things, but honestly mate, you're a dead set idiot.

We (cyclists) would LOVE to contribute to the roads.. Oh wait.. our taxes already do! So you can shut up about that.

We've heard you crap on and on and on and on about the bad cyclists that "abuse" the road rules a million times. Gee you've caught us! we are all secretly anarchists.

Oh wait, that's complete rubbish too.

Yes you've come across some bad cyclists, but jesus mate, let it go. You come across bad drivers all the time, yet you don't seem to have such a big chip on your shoulder about them..

Did a bike bite you once? Is that why you're so irrationally upset about it?

You want me to have a licence plate on my bike? No problems mate! Let's do it! I feel sorry for you when you follow me around 24/7 waiting for me to slip up and all you get is footage of my licence plate abiding by the road rules.

But wait.. you can't handle the truth that the VAST MAJORITY of cyclists are law abiding riders.

You can't handle the fact that some simple courtesy from BOTH PARTIES (you reading this mate? You seeing that I said BOTH PARTIES) would result in a much better road system.

I'm not lobbying for cyclists to get everything their way, that is completely stupid as well.

I'm simply saying, if cyclists can ride to the law, and with courtesy (which I practice EVERY.SINGLE.RIDE)

and

Drivers can drive to the law, and with courtesy (which I admit, I probably do a lot less than I should)

all would be well.

Now, did I space that out enough for you?? Were you able to keep up?

PS. I'm just about to head out for a ride, I'm sure that'll annoy you, knowing that I'm out, enjoying life on Sydney roads..

You need to be banned for being so logical - no place for that here!

blueoval · 21-01-2015, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Guzz226

I always carry if when I ride

I have said multiple times in this thread I would be the first to pay rego and CTP as it also provides benefits to cyclists that they don't have today

Also kills the number one simpleton argument that cyclists don't pay their way

So who do I send my cheque to?

+1. Where to I pay?

prydey · 21-01-2015, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Guzz226

So who do I send my cheque to?

https://velosure.com.au

won't cover rego, but covers third party property damage and third party bodily injury.

not sure if there are other companies that do this. i think i'll sign up.

blueoval · 21-01-2015, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

https://velosure.com.au

won't cover rego, but covers third party property damage and third party bodily injury.

not sure if there are other companies that do this. i think i'll sign up.

I already have this cover. I also have BikeSA cover too as added protection for both parties.