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Cause of death is obviously being hit by the car |
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![]() What you want to be looking at is excess deaths... the additional number of deaths over a given period compared to previous periods. If comorbidities were so significant, there should be very few excess deaths compared to previous years. Those people would be dying anyway. ©b0son
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On 14 July 2020 at 06:35:29 PM (Canberra time), the resident population of Australia is projected to be: 25,629,734 This projection is based on the estimated resident population at 31 December 2019 and assumes growth since then of: one birth every 1 minute and 44 seconds, one death every 3 minutes and 15 seconds On this basis Aussies dying from C19 is background noise. |
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I have a friend who works in the NHS in the UK. As a general rule of thumb, they will presume and count it as CV19, if the patient had CV19, regardless of whether they had pre-existing condition. During the height of the pandemic, in some cases, health workers were so scared to enter aged care homes, they will just count it as CV19, and get external parties to remove the bodies. This is just what my NHS mate is telling me, I have no hard evidence to back this up. I believe this method of counting is the same in the US where hospitals get reimbursed from the government for CV19 cases, but not for other causes. In Asia I'm hearing that they will only count CV19 if they believe it is the main contributing factor. How they determine that I don't know. This is just from what relatives living in those regions are telling me, I haven't found any data to back this up. Not sure how it is done here. |
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Yep.
So many out there will be saying he died because of his pre existing liver/immune condition. Not because of Covid. Again, see post number 4148 as an example. The poster said something on the lines of 'his medical condition was unknown, could have been overweight, a heavy smoker, takeaway fiend, cardiac condition'. He went to a Covid party, contracted the virus, and died. But did he not die because of Covid?? ![]() |
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My point is, measuring the ‘excess C19 deaths’.
Since ~1st March with Australia’s first recorded c19 death, there’s been 108 C19 Aussie deaths. And based on a average 450/deaths/day well over 60,000 Aussies have died during the same period. Ask a statistician about measuring the excess. |
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The problem is, if you don't fall in line with the narrative, and you sprout this as gospel, you are labeled a conspiracy theorist or condemned for not being a medical professional.
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What’s becoming disturbing is that it’s starting to become all about statistics and semantics. Collateral damage / risk analysis. This type of thinking ( strategy ) is usually employed in a war situation where only numbers count.... it’s easier to justify actions and accountabilities that way. Low percentage, low risk , Fark it , go ahead.
I guess it looks like we all have a $$ value associated to a life value after all. ![]()
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It's like arguing we dont need airbags because not many people die in car crashes.
There have been very few excess deaths because of the steps we've taken. Compare excess deaths in countries that responded poorly, too late, or not at all. |
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https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51979654
"The death figures being reported daily are hospital cases where a person dies with the coronavirus infection in their body - because it is a notifiable disease cases have to be reported.But what the figures do not tell us is to what extent the virus is causing the death. It could be the major cause, a contributory factor or simply present when they are dying of something else." "For example, an 18-year-old in Coventry tested positive for coronavirus the day before he died and was reported as its youngest victim at the time. But the hospital subsequently released a statement saying his death had been due to a separate "significant" health condition and not connected to the virus. There are, however, other cases, including health workers, where people have died with no known health conditions." |
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I will be sure to tell his wife and boys, 16 and 18 how many other people have died while they were waiting for him to die. Not....
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AIDS virus works in the same way. You don’t die of the AIDS virus per se, the death is due to the complications it brings with exisiting or pre existing immune challenges. So if an AIDS victim dies of pneumonia, how is that recorded ?
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We all have our different views on this topic that have cyclically been discussed in here since the beginning of all of this some months ago. We are now seeing the compulsory mask debate come into Australia, in time it will be a compulsory vaccine debate. These debates will rage on as will the push for us to return to a less restrictive environment at risk of infection and possible fatal infection for those who are less capable of naturally fighting off the disease. |
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Each to their own. Death isn’t a contest any of us can win.
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Time to re assess what matters most and how we preserve that. In 2-3 years time we’ll have global vaccination security for CVD-19. The issue will be how we manage the next unknown zoonotic viral outbreak again and what will our priorities be.
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The constent questioning of the true number of Covid deaths descends into conspiracy theories.
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Can I get one of those masks for next winter so I don't catch a cold.
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What level is stage 4? Completely house bound?
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At this moment in time, its fake news. Rumour started off as midnight tomorrow.
Check SMH blog 5.01pm ![]()
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Meanwhile, as reported in The Australian...
Vic health chief flags tougher restrictions Further restrictions in Victoria ‘need to be considered’, Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton says, adding: ‘We can’t rule anything out’ |
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Stage 4 means nothing if you don't quantify what it is
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Deaths arnt overstated.
In the 2nd quarter of this year, the US had 120k more deaths than the same time last year. Only 90k were officially recorded as covid related. The UK has a similar excess 'unexplained' deaths (something like an extra 10k and that figure was months ago) , and so do alot of countries. BTW the UK early on were not recording covid deaths unless they were in a hospital.
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I've said it before, but deaths arnt the real issue.
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Not stage 73! Noooo!
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I did think that after a certain number of deaths people would begin to treat this seriously, but I'm having second thoughts. The whole issue has become politicised and rational behaviour has gone out the window. A french bus driver was kicked to death for asking people to wear a mask. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...masks/12446606 And will people like this ever change their mind? https://crooksandliars.com/2020/07/f...over-our-faces I don't think the virus gives a rats about your politics but if your politics leads you to ignore facts you have a problem. |
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