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Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Sydney, more than not. I hate it.
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Interesting episode à maison this morning, new personal care service starting for my father as I look to ramp up the “hands on” care. Brothers had agreed with me that a woman was preferred for showering and general personal hygiene. When she arrived, it was the same chick who’d been previously here as a cleaner two years ago!
The relevance? Working legitimately on a visa, no PR, no single employer, no fixed workplaces. A perfect candidate for contracting and then spreading coronavirus. I wasn’t annoyed, more dismayed for this woman’s sake. If she gets sick, she’s just discarded, and potentially on the next plane home. You’d think that it might be sensible to lock in your health and aged care workforce so far as possible. Fixed places of work, confirmed residency, ideally one employer. Better than running a sickness lottery. |
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Case mortality rate. Deaths vs infections.
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466 new cases for Australia and 2 deaths so CMR drops to 0.993% and active cases rise to 4,221. NSW recorded 16 and the balance were in Victoria except for 1 in SA.
No new case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.415% and active cases remain at 27. The UK recorded 560 new cases and 79 deaths yesterday so the CMR drops to 15.352%. Just over 67k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,119 deaths sees CMR down to 3.598% and active cases at 49.6% with the raw numbers still rising and passing the 2M mark. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences. Other notable points: Global cases set a new daily high of 261,894 (a rise of 5%) and that will go higher when all the numbers are in; The USA completes 50M and Germany 7M tests; North America and Europe both pass 200K deaths; Asia sets a new high for daily cases with 72,660; South America sets a new high for daily cases with 76,992; El Salvador (393), Venezuela (443), Israel (2,043), Argentina (5,782), India (45,599) and Brazil (60,982) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.
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That, and covid fatigue. People are just over it and are willing to take their chances. Don't shoot the messenger. But people who are confirmed to have it, and then don't isolate, and willingly spread it around are scumbags. |
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I must have been raised with a different morale compass than some.
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It's deaths vs identified infections.
As I said earlier, it's a bit misleading really because the more testing you do (and therefore the more cases you identify) the lower the CMR is likely to be. It's probably only directly comparable between countries that have tested similar percentages of their population but in the absence of any other measure, it's as good as any. We are a case in point. Back in the early days of the pandemic our CMR was as high as 3.84% based on the fact that we'd done very little testing and only had the severe cases. We've now done a lot of testing (20% of the adult population) and the CMR is down to below 1%. Interestingly, the USA has tested a similar percentage of their adult population (24%) but their CMR is still almost 3.6% and the UK has tested 26.5% for a CMR that is still above 15%.
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Thanks Russell.
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That also raises another interesting point about Australia. We have been doing a lot of testing recently but we still have one of the highest test:case ratio in the world.
We test 282 people for every positive case (only NZ with 287 is higher) with the UK next highest at 46 and the USA at 12. The global average is 24. There are a couple of other countries with higher ratios but they have generally done little testing or have very few cases. It does probably highlight the inaccuracy of the Chinese numbers as they have only tested 6.5% of the population but have supposedly conducted over 1,000 tests per identified case. ![]()
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I noticed a small sign at the counter of 7/11 when i was getting fuel in today, they sell masks but theyre behind the counter. If in need it saves lining up with potential desiesed rats at a chemist.
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In a couple of weeks I guess we'll start to hear of more deaths?
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How you Mexicans going with your masks?
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I've not seen any data on what the survival rate is for those admitted to ICU or being ventilated but I'd guess it's not all that great. Nationally, 6% of active cases are in hospital; 1.18% of active cases are in ICU and 0.71% of active cases are being intubated. Those ICU numbers are pretty close to the CMR which would support the view that the survival rate is low at best. PS - I did find some early research that suggested the survival rate for intubated patients was 10% or less but more recent studies seem a bit more optimistic.
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Can't find a link but it was on one of John Campbell's youtube videos I think. |
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Mark Brandon "Chopper" Read born 17 November 1954 in;
MELBOURNE Is there nothing we are not good at?
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'Of 118 patients placed on mechanical ventilators, 78 per cent have survived'. https://www.smh.com.au/national/best...14-p55byq.html
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Just heard on 7 news that 1 in 4 in intensive care are under the age of 50.
Apparently there are quite a number under the age of 30 in ICU who did not have any underlying health issues. Anyone who still thinks this is an old person's issue needs to have a rethink.
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Daniel Andrews had a message for those people who don't quarantine after being tested - delivered through the AUSLAN interpreter.
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Same with 9 news tonight in Melbourne CBD tonight with their reporter being the only person on the street without a mask. |
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I have noticed in USA that CMR is no a really good comparitor between places, but can be good over time if things are stable, by things I mean the many subjectivities in the figures. Did he die 'of' or 'with' test verified Covid ? Did he die with symptoms like covid, but we never proved it ? Did he get test verified 4 months ago and then 2weeks later test negative then die today ? Did the 'for profit' hospital fudge the books to get more money ? If say I am tested today and have it, then retest in 2w, still have it, then retest next day, still have it, the retest a week later and am clear - how many people am I, how many cases get recorded ? |
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Interesting video regarding C19 and what it does to the body and a very promising treatment for C19.
https://youtu.be/wqDd7ixh184 Raises the question, do people actually die from C19? As it seems C19 interferes with the bodies immune system such that other virus get a hold i.e. influenza. |
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