New Ranger teaser vidz - Page 17

jpd80 · 12-12-2021, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JPFS1

the Raptor is getting an engine it deserves.

And not in your list

That was deliberate after you said no 3L (EB)

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Good to see you're still around John, a familiar face (ID). I haven't been online here since our aus product ceased manufacture, perhaps even well before that!

Thought id drop in and see whats happening

Good to hear from you my friend, Falcon & Terry seems so long ago now…

BENT_8 · 12-12-2021, 11:59 AM

Surely it gets a Coyote with a tune in the vicinity of 300kw?

The application is already available in F150 and leaves scope for future power increases.
Surely they wouldn't alter the front assembly just to fit a V6 diesel.

This is not a troll post, i genuinely consider it a possibility given the supposed attempt in fitting a V8 to the current Ranger.

Dr Smith · 12-12-2021, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Surely it gets a Coyote with a tune in the vicinity of 300kw?

The application is already available in F150 and leaves scope for future power increases.
Surely they wouldn't alter the front assembly just to fit a V6 diesel.

This is not a troll post, i genuinely consider it a possibility given the supposed attempt in fitting a V8 to the current Ranger.

It will be interesting once revealed.
I'd hazard that the V6 diesel got in because there is enough global sales to justify it and meet VW's wish so cost vs ROI is in the bag.

I wonder if US Ford marketing wants the F-150 Raptor to be overshadowed by a Ranger Raptor so a non-v8 will be used.

Rob 351 · 12-12-2021, 01:25 PM

2.7 V6 Ecoboost petrol?

BENT_8 · 12-12-2021, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

It will be interesting once revealed.
I'd hazard that the V6 diesel got in because there is enough global sales to justify it and meet VW's wish so cost vs ROI is in the bag.

I wonder if US Ford marketing wants the F-150 Raptor to be overshadowed by a Ranger Raptor so a non-v8 will be used.

No doubt but in doing so you'd have to assume opening up the engine compartment to fit the V6 makes a V8 option a real possibility.
Would it need to be a global offering or could it be market specific for those that dont get the F truck, i mean the US got the petrol option we didnt get so there is precedence.

Top_Ghia · 12-12-2021, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob 351

2.7 V6 Ecoboost petrol?

Yes. I think 2.7 V6 ecoboost is the most likely. 3.5 V6 ecoboost a possibility.

Bossxr8 · 12-12-2021, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

Vw had input in their version. And on their renderings you can also see differences to the ranger

They also had engineers there for 2 years so I’m sure they would have pushed ford on some items

They had next to no engineering involvement. The next gen was already well along the design engineering road before vw were even shown it. All they did was send some designers out to broady to take the core ford provided them, and add their styling changes to what ford already had locked in for ranger. And then ford engineered and tested it all. This has been said numerous times.

Dr Smith · 12-12-2021, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

No doubt but in doing so you'd have to assume opening up the engine compartment to fit the V6 makes a V8 option a real possibility.
Would it need to be a global offering or could it be market specific for those that dont get the F truck, i mean the US got the petrol option we didn't get so there is precedence.

I think Ranger is only built in South Africa (Amarok as well for the new model) Thailand and the USA. Obviously we get ours from Thailand so if they were going to build a V8 it would most likely be done in Thailand as I just cannot see a V8 Ranger being sold in the US market because of F-150. Now maybe a V8 could be put in here after they are shipped from Thailand with whatever engine they choose and sent back.

You're right though, if the engine bay was made larger to fit the V6 diesel than fitting a petrol V8 has been made easier and they all use the same A10 transmission.

I'd still wager on one of the Ecoboost V6 petrols and wonder also which ICE would be used in a hybrid.

BENT_8 · 12-12-2021, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Now maybe a V8 could be put in here after they are shipped from Thailand with whatever engine they choose and sent back.

You're right though, if the engine bay was made larger to fit the V6 diesel than fitting a petrol V8 has been made easier and they all use the same A10 transmission.

This was my thinking too, even if it isnt a factory option it would open the door for a conversion company to slot in a FP crate 8.

Thinking even further, it wouldnt need to be specific to Raptor if it were through a conversion, anything from XLT could be considered i guess.

**DFB FGXR6** · 12-12-2021, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

Yes. I think 2.7 V6 ecoboost is the most likely. 3.5 V6 ecoboost a possibility.

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Originally Posted by Rob 351

2.7 V6 Ecoboost petrol?

The 2.7 V6 Ecoboost already exists in the T6 platform ecosystem. It featuring in the Bronco makes sense that it would transition to the Ranger at some point.

My other guess for the Raptor would be the 3.5 Ecoboost. There are rumors that the F-150 is getting a V8 again at some stage, potentially opening up an opportunity for the 3.5.

**Giant Cranium** · 12-12-2021, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They had next to no engineering involvement. The next gen was already well along the design engineering road before vw were even shown it. All they did was send some designers out to broady to take the core ford provided them, and add their styling changes to what ford already had locked in for ranger. And then ford engineered and tested it all. This has been said numerous times.

I’m not caring about engineering. Ford have put in what they need to match the amarok. Awd, rear discs. Suspension mounted outboard of rails. V6.

I’m talking more of fall to hand things. Window switch location, bottle pocket. Dash shape not jamming into knee. Heights of panels so when cruising your limbs are in comfortable positions. If ford had input for not all these little things with no input from vw they will get it wrong again.

Will have to wait and see.

jpd80 · 12-12-2021, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I think Ranger is only built in South Africa (Amarok as well for the new model) Thailand and the USA. Obviously we get ours from Thailand so if they were going to build a V8 it would most likely be done in Thailand as I just cannot see a V8 Ranger being sold in the US market because of F-150. Now maybe a V8 could be put in here after they are shipped from Thailand with whatever engine they choose and sent back.

You're right though, if the engine bay was made larger to fit the V6 diesel than fitting a petrol V8 has been made easier and they all use the same A10 transmission.

I'd still wager on one of the Ecoboost V6 petrols and wonder also which ICE would be used in a hybrid.

Ranger is a tough crowd, give them V6 EB and the critics wanting V8 will still bag it
even though a crap ton of actual Raptor buyers would be grinning from ear to ear…..
Sometimes Ford just pick the engine that works for them and hopefully enough buyers…

BENT_8 · 12-12-2021, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Ranger is a tough crowd, give them V6 EB and the critics wanting V8 will still bag it
even though a crap ton of actual Raptor buyers would be grinning from ear to ear…..
Sometimes Ford just pick the engine that works for them and hopefully enough buyers…

If thats directed at me you've missed the mark, im not bagging the V6 if thats what it is.
There is speculation about what it may be and i simply said the altered front assembly may provide room for an 8, if its a 6 im sure it'll be fine, if its an 8 it'll get a soundtrack to match its aura.
If it doesnt but makes it easier for aftermarket conversion then everybody wins.

XR Martin · 12-12-2021, 11:10 PM

If it gets a V8 I'll paint my Sprint pink.

Franco Cozzo · 12-12-2021, 11:55 PM

That V6 diesel will be DOHC no doubt.

I reckon someone will have a Godzilla in that engine bay within 12 months.

jpd80 · 13-12-2021, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

If thats directed at me you've missed the mark, im not bagging the V6 if thats what it is.
There is speculation about what it may be and i simply said the altered front assembly may provide room for an 8, if its a 6 im sure it'll be fine, if its an 8 it'll get a soundtrack to match its aura.
If it doesnt but makes it easier for aftermarket conversion then everybody wins.

No, that wasn’t directed at you Bent, more a case of no pleasing some
but yes, agree with most of what you said……..

Gumboot · 13-12-2021, 02:36 PM

Does anyone know if the new 3 litre V6 Diesel going into the 2022 Ranger needs Adblue? OR does it just run a DPF only?
Cheers

GTLEGEND · 13-12-2021, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gumboot

Does anyone know if the new 3 litre V6 Diesel going into the 2022 Ranger needs Adblue? OR does it just run a DPF only?
Cheers

Believe no Adblue at this point, just DPF.

Vesper Martini · 13-12-2021, 03:32 PM

what about Everest?, the current one uses Add Blue

GTLEGEND · 13-12-2021, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

what about Everest?, the current one uses Add Blue

Not sure but believe yes it will be as per current vehicle because Everest is classed as a passenger vehicle but Ranger is not. It all comes down to the class of vehicle, the market it is being sold in and the highest emission requirements it needs to meet. They wont add a system to a car if it does not need it!

naddis01 · 13-12-2021, 08:25 PM

Do we think there will be any weight reduction with the new model? The current one is getting quite porky at almost 2.3T for a Wildtrak and near 2.4T for the Raptor.

vbomber · 13-12-2021, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

what about Everest?, the current one uses Add Blue

There are some phots of a prototype everest and you can the adblue tank unfortunately

Bossxr8 · 14-12-2021, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I think Ranger is only built in South Africa (Amarok as well for the new model) Thailand and the USA. Obviously we get ours from Thailand so if they were going to build a V8 it would most likely be done in Thailand as I just cannot see a V8 Ranger being sold in the US market because of F-150. Now maybe a V8 could be put in here after they are shipped from Thailand with whatever engine they choose and sent back.

You're right though, if the engine bay was made larger to fit the V6 diesel than fitting a petrol V8 has been made easier and they all use the same A10 transmission.

I'd still wager on one of the Ecoboost V6 petrols and wonder also which ICE would be used in a hybrid.

Also built in Argentina, Vietnam and possibly China (I think). Forget the V8. Ecoboost has it covered, and when you look at the sales figures for F series the V6 Ecoboost outsells the V8 easily. The market has moved on, even in the good old USA. The only advantage the V8 would have would be exhaust note. It might be cool for a limited build run, but there really is no need now with what's coming. V6 Ecoboost is already available with hybrid in F series too, future proofing it.

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

The 2.7 V6 Ecoboost already exists in the T6 platform ecosystem. It featuring in the Bronco makes sense that it would transition to the Ranger at some point.

My other guess for the Raptor would be the 3.5 Ecoboost. There are rumors that the F-150 is getting a V8 again at some stage, potentially opening up an opportunity for the 3.5.

The V8 F-150 Raptor R has already been confirmed months ago. It goes into production next year with the 5.2 supercharged V8 from the GT500.

How good would a Ranger Raptor R be with the same engine. Pipe dream though.

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Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

I’m not caring about engineering. Ford have put in what they need to match the amarok. Awd, rear discs. Suspension mounted outboard of rails. V6.

I’m talking more of fall to hand things. Window switch location, bottle pocket. Dash shape not jamming into knee. Heights of panels so when cruising your limbs are in comfortable positions. If ford had input for not all these little things with no input from vw they will get it wrong again.

Will have to wait and see.

VW can't really change those things. The interior can only be styled a little different, not full scale changes. Don't expect much.

Vesper Martini · 14-12-2021, 02:05 PM

I was reading the new Amarok wont be available till 2023?

Bossxr8 · 14-12-2021, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

I was reading the new Amarok wont be available till 2023?

Yep, that's what VW have said. Considering they came on board late, it's no surprise.

Vesper Martini · 14-12-2021, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Yep, that's what VW have said. Considering they came on board late, it's no surprise.

I wonder if they will do a Walkinshaw version like the current Amarok, wouldn't that be Ironic

Bossxr8 · 14-12-2021, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

I wonder if they will do a Walkinshaw version like the current Amarok, wouldn't that be Ironic

It would be. Might happen though, considering there is no Holden left.

jpd80 · 14-12-2021, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It would be. Might happen though, considering there is no Holden left.

Heck, Amorok might even break 1,000 sales a month….

Bossxr8 · 15-12-2021, 11:42 AM

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Heck, Amorok might even break 1,000 sales a month….

It's currently VW's biggest seller atm.

**FTE217** · 15-12-2021, 01:52 PM

and even though its old gen the W580 is a nice bit of kit for a dual cab, pity its by them.
Nice cabin high end models, Black Highlines and the like.