The drug "Ice" - Page 17

XB GS 351 Coupe · 05-02-2016, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blakef6

Its in our instincts.

No it's not.

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Originally Posted by blakef6

People self medicate now through legal drugs like tobacco, alcohol and prescription meds so why not illegal ones too

Why, not?? Because they are illegal.

Not everyone uses legal drugs, there is actually a huge and growing amount of people who don't. Personally I have never smoked as I see it as being weak, and I have no inclination to shorten my life, stink like an ashtray and pay through the nose for that privilege.

I used to drink regularly, but have not done so for years, a case of beer will last me 12 months these days, I bought one last year and still have a few left in the fridge.

I will have the occasional social drink when out with family or friends, or at family functions, which are rare and far between these days.

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Originally Posted by blakef6

I mean its in our instincts to self medicate if something is wrong. People take drugs (legal/illegal) for a variety of reasons, not to just get off their face for fun. A lot do it to forgot traumatic experiences in their life (child abuse etc) and a variety of other mental health issues reasons. I used to do drugs because it was the only way I could stop thinking about the horror I was subjected to as a child. It numbed a pain and made me feel normal and good again

Plenty of people have had bad experiences, the stuff I have personally seen and dealt with would make your hair stand on end, and stop you sleeping for a week, does not mean I have to take drugs.

Junkies will always find an excuse to justify their behaviour, as will most other criminals. A person needs to be able to justify what they do in their own mind, so they can deal with stealing persons property, injecting illegal drugs, selling drugs to kids etc etc

How about if people did something positive to take their mind off bad things, I take my dogs out to the river or beach, go for a bike ride, have a gym session, work on my cars in the shed, rather than lock myself in a darkened room smoking pot or ICE which only makes things worse not better.

blakef6 · 05-02-2016, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

No it's not.

Plenty of people have had bad experiences, the stuff I have personally seen and dealt with would make your hair stand on end, and stop you sleeping for a week, does not mean I have to take drugs.
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I wish I was as perfect as you, but no I am just a human being

Josh1983 · 05-02-2016, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

No it's not.

Why, not?? Because they are illegal.

Not everyone uses legal drugs, there is actually a huge and growing amount of people who don't. Personally I have never smoked as I see it as being weak, and I have no inclination to shorten my life, stink like an ashtray and pay through the nose for that privilege.

I used to drink regularly, but have not done so for years, a case of beer will last me 12 months these days, I bought one last year and still have a few left in the fridge.

I will have the occasional social drink when out with family or friends, or at family functions, which are rare and far between these days.

Plenty of people have had bad experiences, the stuff I have personally seen and dealt with would make your hair stand on end, and stop you sleeping for a week, does not mean I have to take drugs.

Junkies will always find an excuse to justify their behaviour, as will most other criminals. A person needs to be able to justify what they do in their own mind, so they can deal with stealing persons property, injecting illegal drugs, selling drugs to kids etc etc

How about if people did something positive to take their mind off bad things, I take my dogs out to the river or beach, go for a bike ride, have a gym session, work on my cars in the shed, rather than lock myself in a darkened room smoking pot or ICE which only makes things worse not better.

There is so many things said here that aren't I right that I don't even know where to start and wont bother. Obviously you are holier than thou and know better..

I did see you said you like a drink? But you don't like other people using other vices because they might be illegal. Give me a pothead over an alcoholic any day.

And did you know that methamphetamine comes in legal form? The medicine Desoxyn which is used to treat a number of illness, is mostly methamphetamine? So don't give me the stupid legal/illegal bullcrap because all products legal or non legal are mind altering.

**GasoLane** · 05-02-2016, 02:29 PM

I really don't want to start cutting holes in this thread. So please stay on topic and not go wandering off on personal slanging matches.

XB GS 351 Coupe · 05-02-2016, 06:29 PM

Wasn't using ICE the topic???

What have I missed??

blackf6 · 05-02-2016, 07:18 PM

No need for that, stick to topic.

**GasoLane** · 05-02-2016, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Wasn't using ICE the topic???

What have I missed??

You missed the point.
You're wandering all over the place, managing to generalise everything from pot smoking to Paedophiles.

Stay on topic or stay away.

blakef6 · 05-02-2016, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GasOLane

You missed the point.
You're wandering all over the place, managing to generalise everything from pot smoking to Paedophiles.

Stay on topic or stay away.

Thank you

XB GS 351 Coupe · 05-02-2016, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh1983

I did see you said you like a drink? But you don't like other people using other vices because they might be illegal. Give me a pothead over an alcoholic any day.

Not might be, they are illegal. You can't seriously be comparing a criminal taking illegal drugs to a law abiding citizen having an occasional beer.

Shonky. · 06-02-2016, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DeJaVu GT

****** junkies. Any of them come near my children.

a closed mind is likely to impede your ability to help save your children should drugs cross their path

Shonky. · 06-02-2016, 12:51 AM

the world is not black and white guys

pottery beige · 06-02-2016, 01:01 AM

its the slippery slope of life - for whatever reason some may fall down that slide

alcohol, bongs, crack, pokies, gambling, prescription / non prescription drugs and or whatever - some legal / some not

they all have the potential to ruin lives

whether youre there trying to rip them off that slippery slide spiralling downwards or there catching them at the bottom - be there

ive taken the **** here and there in this thread but essentially it comes down to this

http://www.news.com.au/technology/sc...edb5b51321a1ef

link is a repost

pottery beige · 06-02-2016, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Shonky.

the world is not black and white guys

yup

never is and those that disagree are very much sheltered

Express · 06-02-2016, 03:42 AM

Having read many of the posts in this thread I feel so sad for those who have experienced the impact of this drug in their lives.

Though I see much about it on the news and I hear how it’s taking a hold of the disenfranchised young in my small country home town, my family and I have been very fortunately and by the sound of it lucky not to have it touch us.

I’m not smart enough to come up with solutions but I do hope there are people out there that can and governments are prepared to make decisions based on real needs and not just for political point scoring.

I see a huge test for Society coming.

blackf6 · 06-02-2016, 06:28 AM

Addiction and all that it entails is just a cop out, an excuse. I have zero compassion for the purpotraiters, only for the lives they wreck. Miss use of drugs is a scourge on our society. And for the record. I have been there done that, and learnt my lessons. No compassion for excuses.

superyob · 06-02-2016, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Shonky.

the world is not black and white guys

This is true, but is it not black and white because the human mind unnecessarily complicates issues???

superyob · 06-02-2016, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

yup

never is and those that disagree are very much sheltered

Big claim PB. I don't know because I don't have any evidence, but surely there are people, ex drug users perhaps, who are not satisfied with hiding behind excuses or happenings and do see the world in black and white? At its very base level, an argument could be put forward:

Q) Did I voluntarily indulge in the destructiveness of drug use?

A) Yes.

I don't think this line of thinking is necessarily 'sheltered'...

snopony · 06-02-2016, 10:17 AM

I can add two cents from a family point of view...
I have a child who hasnt seen/heard of/ had anything to do with their dad in ten years because of this stuff. I'm sure if it wasnt around that my child would have a very very different life to the one they have now.
It seems the need for it just controls everything and theres not much to convince them otherwise..which I suppose is the basis for most addictions.

superyob · 06-02-2016, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by snopony

I can add two cents from a family point of view...
I have a child who hasnt seen/heard of/ had anything to do with their dad in ten years because of this stuff. I'm sure if it wasnt around that my child would have a very very different life to the one they have now.
It seems the need for it just controls everything and theres not much to convince them otherwise..which I suppose is the basis for most addictions.

That is sad. My heart is sore for your child.

As a father myself, I cannot fathom how anyone would choose drugs or alcohol over their precious children...

blackf6 · 06-02-2016, 10:37 AM

That is my worst fear. That one or all of my children, might get exposed to addiction.

rst2000 · 06-02-2016, 11:19 AM

[QUOTE=DeJaVu GT;5581686] I have zero compassion for the purpotraiters, only for the lives they wreck. QUOTE]

I also don't have any empathy for the perpetrators....

Shonky. · 06-02-2016, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by superyob

This is true, but is it not black and white because the human mind unnecessarily complicates issues???

I believe the human mind is always striving to oversimplify things.

We like things to be easy. We like an identifiable "goodie" and "badie"

People like to be assured they have made the "right" decision, and not the "wrong" one.

I find the things are most black and white when people don't understand the intricate details, haven't taken the time to think about it properly, or are deeply in denial and refuse point blank to consider another veiwpoint.

Shonky. · 06-02-2016, 11:26 AM

Don't agree, then scroll up and see people making strong remarks about "perpetrators"

This view no doubt is in contrast to how they feel about "victims"

Neat line down the middle

Black and white

No room for a victim to also be a perpetrator

Now they will lash out at me, say that's a cop out, that I'm a hippy and making excuses for people, because it's critical that they can have a hard nosed simple opinion that doesn't need refinement, evidence or really too much thought

Black and white, when in reality it is grey

blackf6 · 06-02-2016, 11:34 AM

In the case of drugs, the victim is the purpotraiter. Addiction. Still have no compassion. Dig your way out of addiction. Or die trying. That is my view. Users say... They need the drugs to feel normal. Blah blah. Like a heroin addict. I am feeling sick, better get another fix. Dig out or die.

superyob · 06-02-2016, 11:35 AM

I don't disagree with your viewpoint Shonky, but I can also see the other side which is black and white. Sometimes looking at black and white from a purely personal reflective position strips away all the periphery and allows one to look at the core...

blakef6 · 06-02-2016, 12:22 PM

I tend not to judge someone who do drugs, as i have recovered myself. I do however judge the ones that steal and turn to crime to support their addiction because you are hurting other people but for myself, i never hurt anyone and worked very hard. I was able to stop so i guess i am one of the lucky ones.

There are some pretty self righteous attitudes here. Yes you may look down on someone who chooses to use drugs, but look in the mirror and you will not see perfection either. i agree the junkie who steal and robs others are scum, but most users aren't your stereotypical junkie

Road Games · 06-02-2016, 02:08 PM

Far out how many log ins does this member have ???

I use ice

In my boubon

Religously

Truth !

I make bad enough decisions with alcohol.... i will NEVER consider this other crap for a fix.

Shonky. · 06-02-2016, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DeJaVu GT

In the case of drugs, the victim is the purpotraiter. Addiction. Still have no compassion. Dig your way out of addiction. Or die trying. That is my view. Users say... They need the drugs to feel normal. Blah blah. Like a heroin addict. I am feeling sick, better get another fix. Dig out or die.

And if your kids heaven forbid, ended up being the ones in this situation?

Get clean or die?

I would like to think your stance would soften

blakef6 · 06-02-2016, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Shonky.

And if your kids heaven forbid, ended up being the ones in this situation?

Get clean or die?

I would like to think your stance would soften

It would change, but people act all high and mighty when they are lucky enough to be untouched by something. They are similar to the anti-gay people who quickly change their stance when a son/daughter comes home and tells them they are gay. Not so black and white anymore

superyob · 06-02-2016, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by blakef6

It would change, but people act all high and mighty when they are lucky enough to be untouched by something. They are similar to the anti-gay people who quickly change their stance when a son/daughter comes home and tells them they are gay. Not so black and white anymore

Evidence? I know of a few situations whereby this is definitely not the case...