US Elections - Boring or Important to Aust?

[LTD Ute]

PS-Superyob, I don't believe you believe half of what what you say and most that I hear!

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by LTD Ute

What problem do you have with "PROGRESS" ?

By definition it means betterment, positive advances and better outcomes for all.

What Dark Old Age would you wish to revert to to satisfy your insecurities over "PROGRESS" ?

To be fair to Yob its a progressive mindset rather than progress per say that he has the problem with.
It could be argued he is the product of progressive thought, being Australian, free, wealthy and over 50! Generally Australia is a progressive nation, made up of free thinkers, innovators and a population who largely has had advantage of that innovation and thought.
Of course it could also be argued that everything we have today is because of tradition and its values. Oh hang on, does being progressive mean you don't share most of the values of the church's teachings. No it doesn't until you get to the extremes of either side or it's opposite paradigms.
Sting once write, 'do the Russians love their children' in a rhetorical question. Of course they do, the same guiding principles of humanity are universal, shelter, warmth, safety and love.
Socialism, capitalism, and beyond are just social mechanisms to maintain the fabric of the city in an orderly manner to help all achieve those basic needs, and of course something, in modern days, to offer the alternate to circus'.
One thing I have learnt about the latest US election and to a similar extent, Brexit, is that the left has to stop screaming, demonising and intellectualising their causes. Because in reality the vast majority of people dont understand their very similar position.
Yes Yob I'm a progressive, I still think the majority of people are and as a progressive I accept your right to an alternate opinion as if I didn't id be a fascist and that sits on your side of politics.
JP

[Express]

Ford Ranger, Bronco Return Unaffected by Trump Win


Motor Trend
16 November, 2016




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Ford is not changing plans to build the Ranger pickup and Bronco SUV in Michigan after shifting Focus small car production to Mexico, despite the campaign threats by President-elect Donald Trump to impose tariffs on vehicles made south of the border.

The Dearborn-based automaker found itself in Trump's protectionist crosshairs during the election campaign because of plans to shift the production of the Ford Focus and C-Max small cars to Mexico in 2018. But the move frees up the Michigan Assembly Plant to build a new Ford Ranger pickup and also bring back the Ford Bronco SUV.

Ford CEO Mark Fields said everything is still on track for two new products to be built in Michigan, despite the Trump presidential win. The automaker sent a letter congratulating the president-elect and has been in constant communication with Trump's transition team.



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"We have had conversations with the transition team," Fields said on the opening day of the Los Angeles Auto Show's media days. I've sent a congratulatory letter to the president-elect and we look forward to working with the new administration and the entire newly-elected Congress."

He warned that small car buyers and the U.S. economy in general would be penalized if Trump follows through on threats to impose a 35-percent tariff on made-in-Mexico vehicles. Meanwhile, Ford this week unveiled a version of the EcoSport subcompact crossover that will be sold in the U.S. in the first quarter of 2018. The new model will be imported from Chennai, India.


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http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/...mage=AAkn6ox|4

[superyob]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

To be fair to Yob its a progressive mindset rather than progress per say that he has the problem with.
It could be argued he is the product of progressive thought, being Australian, free, wealthy and over 50! Generally Australia is a progressive nation, made up of free thinkers, innovators and a population who largely has had advantage of that innovation and thought.
Of course it could also be argued that everything we have today is because of tradition and its values. Oh hang on, does being progressive mean you don't share most of the values of the church's teachings. No it doesn't until you get to the extremes of either side or it's opposite paradigms.
Sting once write, 'do the Russians love their children' in a rhetorical question. Of course they do, the same guiding principles of humanity are universal, shelter, warmth, safety and love.
Socialism, capitalism, and beyond are just social mechanisms to maintain the fabric of the city in an orderly manner to help all achieve those basic needs, and of course something, in modern days, to offer the alternate to circus'.
One thing I have learnt about the latest US election and to a similar extent, Brexit, is that the left has to stop screaming, demonising and intellectualising their causes. Because in reality the vast majority of people dont understand their very similar position.
Yes Yob I'm a progressive, I still think the majority of people are and as a progressive I accept your right to an alternate opinion as if I didn't id be a fascist and that sits on your side of politics.
JP

Well considered JP...

[cheap]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

One thing I have learnt about the latest US election and to a similar extent, Brexit, is that the left has to stop screaming, demonising and intellectualising their causes...

Yes Yob I'm a progressive, I still think the majority of people are and as a progressive I accept your right to an alternate opinion as if I didn't id be a fascist and that sits on your side of politics.
JP

The hypocrisy of the left, it is in their DNA to scream, demonise, ridicule, use violence and use the smokescreen of assumed intellect to get their way. Add in a huge serving of zero tolerance towards anyone with an alternative view. Free speech warriors - don't make me laugh!

The left's promise path of social justice and utopia is littered with a higher body count than other sphere of politics. Yeah a truly fun loving peaceful ideology!

By the way, the term "progressive" is already assigned to the trash can of history. There will be repackaging along with new narrative. The left can call themselves whatever they want, if it walks and quacks like a duck it is is still the same rotten to the core oppressive system.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by cheap

The hypocrisy of the left, it is in their DNA to scream, demonise, ridicule, use violence and use the smokescreen of assumed intellect to get their way. Add in a huge serving of zero tolerance towards anyone with an alternative view. Free speech warriors - don't make me laugh!

The left's promise path of social justice and utopia is littered with a higher body count than other sphere of politics. Yeah a truly fun loving peaceful ideology!

By the way, the term "progressive" is already assigned to the trash can of history. There will be repackaging along with new narrative. The left can call themselves whatever they want, if it walks and quacks like a duck it is is still the same rotten to the core oppressive system.

You are an angry man aren't you mr cheap. Peace out dude!

[cheap]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

You are an angry man aren't you mr cheap. Peace out dude!

Your post proves my point exactly, stereotype anyone who offers an alternative view.

[jpblue1000]

Thats not stereotyping just pointing out how I perceive you. Not those you represent or believe in but you, and you've a history of it. Angry is not a slander, its an observation.
All fire and brimstone negativity towards everything.
I hope you are ok! Are you ok?

[mcflux]

So you're saying, as someone who isn't of the 'intolerant' left-wing, that you're therefore fully tolerant of the left?

[Trump]

Play nice kids, it's been a ripping thread thus far.

[Grunter]

Originally Posted by Trump

Play nice kids, it's been a ripping thread thus far.

But you getting elected started it!! ;)

[Trump]

Originally Posted by Grunter

But you getting elected started it!! ;)

I will be a president for all Ummerikans...

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

So you're saying, as someone who isn't of the 'intolerant' left-wing, that you're therefore fully tolerant of the left?

Define fully tolerant. If for example you think I'm going to tolerate violence, ridicule, assumed intellect, intolerance, assaults upon free speech, name calling and a host of other control attributes, then prepare yourself for disappointment.

[mcflux]

How are those left-wing traits?

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

How are those left-wing traits?

Not all are left wing traits but all are common to SJWs who are invariably of the left. National Socialism (as opposed to fascism) is often thought of as a right wing ideology, but upon closer inspection, it resembles an extreme of contemporary leftist thought. The comparisons are valid when one compares the outright distortions of reality and the hypocrisies of the arguments inherent in each faction...

Nazism = totalitarian, Jews/Gypsies/homosexuals etc. are sub human, serves a nationalist expansionist agenda...

Cultural Marxism = totalitarian, people who don't subscribe to its ideals are beneath redemption and fully deserving of ridicule, prosecution, financial ruin and worse, serves a globalist agenda...

[GasoLane]

It would be helpful if we could get back on topic please.........US Presidential Elections - Boring or Important to Australia?

[cheap]

Here you go, the re-writing of history and wallpapering over events...

http://www.breitbart.com/california/...es-curriculum/

It is exactly this sort of behavior that the "deplorable" US voter rejected.

[mcflux]

Here you go, a nice little seague from superyob's view on the left, and gasolane's request to bring the thread back on to the OP title topic: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/18...-registry.html

[superyob]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

It would be helpful if we could get back on topic please.........US Presidential Elections - Boring or Important to Australia?

Sorry boss!!!

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by cheap

Define fully tolerant. If for example you think I'm going to tolerate violence, ridicule, assumed intellect, intolerance, assaults upon free speech, name calling and a host of other control attributes, then prepare yourself for disappointment.

That's just a ridiculous list of traits that may or may not be applicable to some of the extreme-left nut bags out there.

It's just like me saying all right wingers won't be happy until anyone not born into a white privileged and rich family are shipped off to a distant island and left to starve and any form of government completely dismantled and the running of the world left purely to the free market.

Fact is the political spectrum is vast, and not simply left or right. And the further out to the extremes one gets the more likely they are to meet others who reached the extreme from the opposite direction.

To bring it back to the topic at hand - the fascinating thing about Trump is how difficult he is to place on the spectrum. He's protectionist agenda is decidedly left, but other aspects of him are extreme right. That's the thing about Trump - he doesn't fit in a neat pigeon hole and that's pretty much the reason he won in the first place.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by tranquilized

That's just a ridiculous list of traits that may or may not be applicable to some of the extreme-left nut bags out there.

It's just like me saying all right wingers won't be happy until anyone not born into a white privileged and rich family are shipped off to a distant island and left to starve and any form of government completely dismantled and the running of the world left purely to the free market.

Fact is the political spectrum is vast, and not simply left or right. And the further out to the extremes one gets the more likely they are to meet others who reached the extreme from the opposite direction.

To bring it back to the topic at hand - the fascinating thing about Trump is how difficult he is to place on the spectrum. He's protectionist agenda is decidedly left, but other aspects of him are extreme right. That's the thing about Trump - he doesn't fit in a neat pigeon hole and that's pretty much the reason he won in the first place.

How true, but he is anti the strangling of free speech, anti globalist, anti open borders and probably not much of a multi culturalist (not to be confused with that over used, now ineffective word 'racist') the pro case for which are all major Marxist aims. His protectionist agenda is at odds with the globalist agenda but both seem to be leftist aims??? That is a conundrum; if someone could explain that to me???

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Here you go, a nice little seague from superyob's view on the left, and gasolane's request to bring the thread back on to the OP title topic: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/18...-registry.html

Wow!!! That is extreme. And disturbing if true...

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by superyob

How true, but he is anti the strangling of free speech, anti globalist, anti open borders and probably not much of a multi culturalist (not to be confused with that over used, now ineffective word 'racist') the pro case for which are all major Marxist aims. His protectionist agenda is at odds with the globalist agenda but both seem to be leftist aims??? That is a conundrum; if someone could explain that to me???

I don't see the globalist agenda as left wing, definitely more right. It's basic aim is to open up previously unavailable markets to sell more stuff to, to make more money from. So Trump wanting to get rid of the TPP and other free trade deals, and protecting U.S. industry are his few-and-far-between left wing aspects.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by cheap

Here you go, the re-writing of history and wallpapering over events...

http://www.breitbart.com/california/...es-curriculum/

It is exactly this sort of behavior that the "deplorable" US voter rejected.

Hahahhhahhahhahha breitbart hhahahahahhahhaha yeah!

Alt-right blogger turned 'news' site. Been debunked defamed and generally ridiculed so many times. But they seemed to have been useful, and now bannkn is trumps right hand man.
Yell loud enough enough times and people will follow.
Interesting times ahead in the US!
Despite it all she looks to have received two million more votes, gamed for all its worth.
JP

[LTD Ute]

I think what's been missing here, and we are in no position to judge, is the solutions
to the problems the US have and which candidate or party offered the best alternatives.
We are not to really know as we don't live it and cannot contribute to the conversation.
The benefits we enjoy in Australia such as universal health care, redundancy, welfare
are pretty much non existent in the US.
I do not taught the the virtues of left over right, just decency and a fair go. I do not condone
any extremism on either side and am appaled by some of the reactions to the election.
Their plight is not an issue?
Really, we should just chat over a tea or a beer, we all have a lot more common than we think.

Superyob, my shout

[smoo]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Hahahhhahhahhahha breitbart hhahahahahhahhaha yeah!

Alt-right blogger turned 'news' site. Been debunked defamed and generally ridiculed so many times. But they seemed to have been useful, and now bannkn is trumps right hand man.
Yell loud enough enough times and people will follow.
Interesting times ahead in the US!
Despite it all she looks to have received two million more votes, gamed for all its worth.
JP

And left leaning main stream media is credible?
Six months leading up to the election there were slander stories or opinion pieces on trump everyday. And these are the people who are suppose to remain neutral while reporting facts.
All the while telling White Americans how racist they are as white trump supporters are being gang bashed in the streets by blacks, and black male on white female sexual assaults are up around 40,000 per annum. Not that you'll never read about that on MSM.
The Internet has shown MSM up for what it is. Readership levels and credibility is at an all time low. Hopefully Trump puts the final nail in the coffin by outright excluding them. Then their **** poor journos and opinion pieces can be relegated to the likes of other gutter journalism such as woman's weekly.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Hahahhhahhahhahha breitbart hhahahahahhahhaha yeah!

Alt-right blogger turned 'news' site. Been debunked defamed and generally ridiculed so many times. But they seemed to have been useful, and now bannkn is trumps right hand man.
Yell loud enough enough times and people will follow.
Interesting times ahead in the US!
Despite it all she looks to have received two million more votes, gamed for all its worth.
JP

I guess all the other news outlets must be lying too? But people like you with their superior intellect are able to instantly see through the great-big-right-wing-conspiracy

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS...esson-43586647

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/san-fran...racist-sexist/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sson-plan.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/17...sson-plan.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/san-franc...on.html?ref=gs

http://www.news.com.au/world/breakin...4c0fb1c50b19ad

[jpblue1000]

Yes they are all as bad both left and right, up and down. I'm not claiming or offering their bile as news, or as support in an argument. Simply pointing out false news, lies and exaggeration for what it is, have done so for both sides of the argument, if I've noticed it, and will continue to do so.
For me the production of news has become so cheap that anyone with a computer can do it, and easily produce a front page that looks credible, and the first page google searchers dont dig any deeper and fall for the drivel. Then its fed into your social media, and the lie takes on truth whereas a more traditional news outlet, but not all of them, which spends money, real money to report on news, has an impetus to be a bit more truthful, accurate and accountable to regulators.
And in all cases today, the reader must use an intelligence to sift through biased opinion purporting to be fact which has become all too prevalent in the news media over the last decade or so.
JP

[MITCHAY]

I've read a few things, watched a few things including his first interview.

It appears to me that he might alienate a large amount of his supporters because he has seemed to soften up since being elected and who knows what part that will play.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I've read a few things, watched a few things including his first interview.

It appears to me that he might alienate a large amount of his supporters because he has seemed to soften up since being elected and who knows what part that will play.

This is the exciting thing about the trump experiment.
His narrative is one of an outsider non politician, his policy's are radical, his premise is to shake things up, things in western politics and economies need shaking up. And sometimes a paradigm shift is necessary to explore the alternates regular politics is scared to pursue. With the power the new government now holds they can pursue their agenda with little obstruction. And the world is watching, the results will be noted. Hopefully the rhetoric translates to across the board improvements for north Americans as promised. The risks are great and inconsequential collateral is unknown. I hope the critics are wrong, I dont think they are but watch with interest.
But of course with great power comes great responsibility. The republicans have nobody to blame but themselves if it doesn't work.
Good luck USA
JP