The drug "Ice"

[blackf6]

Originally Posted by Shonky.

And if your kids heaven forbid, ended up being the ones in this situation?

Get clean or die?

I would like to think your stance would soften

No way. After I kicked their ***. Same story. Quit the vice. Or stay out of my life. I would be devastated. I don't literally mean die. I believe in the school of hard knocks. Not the easy way out of life.
Taking drugs is a cop out. I have quit many a vice. I can't understand why it is so hard for people to give up durries.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by DeJaVu GT

No way. After I kicked their ***. Same story. Quit the vice. Or stay out of my life. I would be devastated. I don't literally mean die. I mean that is the path they are going down by continuing with illicit drugs.

Your kids? Seriously?

That's pretty messed up...

[blackf6]

Really? That how I was bought up. The trouble with kids these days, they have it too easy. Bunch of sooks.
Little bit of my background. Mum and Dad split when I was 5. Mum kicked me out when I was 13. Lived on the streets for 2 years. Sleeping in school port-racks, toilet blocks and the like. Stealing food from supermarkets. Anyway. You just pull yourself out of the hole and move on. I get on great with Mum now. I learnt the hard way and expect my children to also.
My last say in the ice thread is..
Take drugs at your own peril. But don't expect society to live with your habit. And don't play the poor me card. Get on with your life. Don't touch the crap.

[98TLS]

Originally Posted by Express

Having read many of the posts in this thread I feel so sad for those who have experienced the impact of this drug in their lives.

Though I see much about it on the news and I hear how it’s taking a hold of the disenfranchised young in my small country home town, my family and I have been very fortunately and by the sound of it lucky not to have it touch us.

I’m not smart enough to come up with solutions but I do hope there are people out there that can and governments are prepared to make decisions based on real needs and not just for political point scoring.

I see a huge test for Society coming.

The test if left to politicians has come and gone years ago fella hence our current suituation the world over,politicians will do and say whatever the army of advisers tell em to do or say to win an election,govt funded depts will fill up with well intentioned do gooders with no practical knowledge and appear on your television quoting facts n figures that mean little bar the waste of your hard earned to get them.Sad but true.The answer?...ive no idea but recent history shows that waiting for politicians/govt to get it right hasnt yielded much.Stab in the dark i would say it begins with parents but....

[snopony]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Your kids? Seriously?

That's pretty messed up...

I've seen this happen. Kids on god knows how much gear, falls into the wrong crowd, family yanks him away to try to set him straight, kid keeps goin back, getting worse, over the years kid develops major mental issues, gets hauled into treatment,locked up every now and then due to mental health. And I'm not just talking depression, I'm talking stalking harassing making threats to kill family members, staging fake attacks where he's done himself and injustice, lying, stealing from family... This goes on till the "kid" is well into their 30's.... By then the family has expanded to include small children, for their safety they can't keep going to help him.... Family walks away after years of trying.

After ice, it's not a kid any more, it's a nutjob and any resemblance to the kid you once new is long gone.

[blackf6]

Originally Posted by 98TLS

The test if left to politicians has come and gone years ago fella hence our current suituation the world over,politicians will do and say whatever the army of advisers tell em to do or say to win an election,govt funded depts will fill up with well intentioned do gooders with no practical knowledge and appear on your television quoting facts n figures that mean little bar the waste of your hard earned to get them.Sad but true.The answer?...ive no idea but recent history shows that waiting for politicians/govt to get it right hasnt yielded much.Stab in the dark i would say it begins with parents but....

That's right mate. It begins with the parents and their parenting.

[snopony]

Originally Posted by DeJaVu GT

That's right mate. It begins with the parents and their parenting.

Yes it does start here, but sooo many outside factors affect even the best attempts at parenting.... And then you have ice addicts that go on to have their own kids, the cycle repeats.... All of a sudden little Johnny is being naughty and dosnt get pulled up on it... It becomes the norm... Then his kids get away with more than he did.... And so on and so on.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by DeJaVu GT

Take drugs at your own peril. But don't expect society to live with your habit. And don't play the poor me card. Get on with your life. Don't touch the crap.

100% spot on I don't feel sorry for the drug ****** idiots, I do feel for the family, imagine being a parent to a waste of space pot head, or ICE junkie, I would be devastated if my children turned to drugs.

Get your kids involved in expensive hobbies like cars/motorbikes/horses/boats etc, they won't have money for drugs

[Boosted8]

Blame the scum that keep selling it to people when it's clear they're destroying themselves. Don't blame the end user. Addiction is no joke.

I don't take drugs but I really wish I was as perfect as half the people posting in this thread.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by DeJaVu GT

Really? That how I was bought up. The trouble with kids these days, they have it too easy. Bunch of sooks.
Little bit of my background. Mum and Dad split when I was 5. Mum kicked me out when I was 13. Lived on the streets for 2 years. Sleeping in school port-racks, toilet blocks and the like. Stealing food from supermarkets. Anyway. You just pull yourself out of the hole and move on. I get on great with Mum now. I learnt the hard way and expect my children to also.
My last say in the ice thread is..
Take drugs at your own peril. But don't expect society to live with your habit. And don't play the poor me card. Get on with your life. Don't touch the crap.

the drugs take over bud, the person you have raised, been a friend of are still there (there in person but a mere shell) - name the scenario is full of its own bs and never black or white

+ 1 up dont touch the crap

+ be there and support picking up the pieces

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Boosted8

Blame the scum that keep selling it to people when it's clear they're destroying themselves. Don't blame the end user. Addiction is no joke.

I don't take drugs but I really wish I was as perfect as half the people posting in this thread.

It's good to strive for perfection, but you don't have to be perfect not to be a junkie, you just have to not take drugs, it's pretty easy actually I think it's easier than taking them, you have to do less....

[blackf6]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

the drugs take over bud, the person you have raised, been a friend of are still there (there in person but a mere shell) - name the scenario is full of its own bs and never black or white

+ 1 up dont touch the crap

+ be there and support picking up the pieces

That's why I hate drugs so bad.

[Shonky.]

Originally Posted by DeJaVu GT

Really? That how I was bought up. The trouble with kids these days, they have it too easy. Bunch of sooks.
Little bit of my background. Mum and Dad split when I was 5. Mum kicked me out when I was 13. Lived on the streets for 2 years. Sleeping in school port-racks, toilet blocks and the like. Stealing food from supermarkets. Anyway. You just pull yourself out of the hole and move on. I get on great with Mum now. I learnt the hard way and expect my children to also.
My last say in the ice thread is..
Take drugs at your own peril. But don't expect society to live with your habit. And don't play the poor me card. Get on with your life. Don't touch the crap.

sounds like a hell of a ride man

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by DeJaVu GT

Really? That how I was bought up. The trouble with kids these days, they have it too easy. Bunch of sooks.
Little bit of my background. Mum and Dad split when I was 5. Mum kicked me out when I was 13. Lived on the streets for 2 years. Sleeping in school port-racks, toilet blocks and the like. Stealing food from supermarkets. Anyway. You just pull yourself out of the hole and move on. I get on great with Mum now. I learnt the hard way and expect my children to also.
My last say in the ice thread is..
Take drugs at your own peril. But don't expect society to live with your habit. And don't play the poor me card. Get on with your life. Don't touch the crap.

Each to their own, not sure I'd boot my own flesh and blood to the side of the road and hope they learn a lesson. I probably wouldn't do that to a dog.

You screw up as a parent then just boot the kid out leaving society to clean up your mess or natural selection to take its course.

Pretty weak IMO, people that do that claim to do it to be tough, but reality is t's the easiest and weakest thing you can do, make it someone else problem hope it fixes itself. Basically a quitter, you can't fix it so you ignore it.

If something goes wrong with your car do you just park in the street then hope that you can jump in it in 12 months and the car has magically fixed itself?

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Stefan

You screw up as a parent

There are a lot of cases where parenting doesn't come into it, peer pressure does.

[fiery]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

There are a lot of cases where parenting doesn't come into it, peer pressure does.

This is what my family and friends try to convince me of all the time. I question just where I went wrong with one son everyday but both my boys and now my girl have had the exact same rules and expectations. I've talked openly about almost everything possible in life that I felt they should know, have always tried to be approachable about subjects that have made me feel so angry inside.

I guess I'm a terrible person as I have made the hard decision to cut my 16 yr old son out of our lives in order to keep my 7 yr old girl safe.

The 16 yr old trashed the house on one of his episodes, I paid to have everything fixed up. I'm 99% sure he had the house broken into as some of the things stolen just didn't make sense (according to police as they were neither valuable or things that would be easily sold), other things were like normal stolen goods (iPhone, iPad, laptops and my beloved FPV watch).

He's been abusive and extremely dangerously aggressive and the courts plus youth justice have let us down on numerous occasions.
Sleep is something done lightly (and not for long) out of fear that the drug induced threats just might get carried out.
If I were to write the whole entire saga of the last few years it would take up an extreme amount of room on here.

All I ask of those thinking the parents aren't doing their job correctly is to maybe not judge so harshly. I don't want pity, I don't want sympathy, all I want is to be able to sleep at night and wake the next day and it all being a terrible dream, nothing more!!

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

There are a lot of cases where parenting doesn't come into it, peer pressure does.

Well that's were the parenting part comes into it.

If your kid goes off the rails you failed at the parenting bit, no ifs or buts, if you then boot the kid to the side. you fail again at the parenting bit.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Well that's were the parenting part comes into it.

If your kid goes off the rails you failed at the parenting bit, no ifs or buts, if you then boot the kid to the side. you fail again at the parenting bit.

no black or white bud

its how you deal with the slippery dip and being there when theyve had enough

[Stefan]

I've seen the slippery slope, one of my mates in years 7, captain of every school Rugby League team, played at state level, still have videos of some of his televised games somewhere. All the girlies loved him, one of the brightest academically, played awesome guitar in year 7 ( the reason I started playing).

By the time year 12 rolled along he was a bum begging for money at Fairfield Station. He asked me for 10 bucks I did not even recognise him, 12 months later he washed up on Bondi Beach age 18.

I saw his younger brother a few years later and I asked about him, strict Croatian family, his dad busted him with a joint and booted him out of house, 2 years later dead.

It's been with me for 20 years, yes it's the bad crowd but as a parent you need to deal with it.

[fiery]

Originally Posted by Stefan

I've seen the slippery slope, one of my mates in years 7, captain of every school Rugby League team, played at state level, still have videos of some of his televised games somewhere. All the girlies loved him, one of the brightest academically, played awesome guitar in year 7 ( the reason I started playing).

By the time year 12 rolled along he was a bum begging for money at Fairfield Station. He asked me for 10 bucks I did not even recognise him, 12 months later he washed up on Bondi Beach age 18.

I saw his younger brother a few years later and I asked about him, strict Croatian family, his dad busted him with a joint and booted him out of house, 2 years later dead.

It's been with me for 20 years, yes it's the bad crowd but as a parent you need to deal with it.

As a parent you try every available option and sometimes that is the only option. They make their choices but why should a 7yr old little girl suffer because of them. They tell you they want help, you try to give it to only be attached because they decided one more hit. They again beg for help, again you try and so the roller coaster ride continues.

When you've actually walked that line of what these drugs do to your kids and family, you can then and only then begin to try to understand the despair and fear that takes place.
2 strokes, a brain bleed (all stress related apparently) and then the bashings threat sometimes makes you say enough is enough.
My eldest son is the only reason I'm able to write about this as he saved my life when being attacked.

I guess it's easy to judge a parent when you don't know the full saga or ever really lived that fearful life. You just know "a mate" or a friend of a friend. Try being that parent and you're torn because you desperately want to help but you also have the responsibility to keep another safe.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Well that's were the parenting part comes into it.

If your kid goes off the rails you failed at the parenting bit, no ifs or buts, if you then boot the kid to the side. you fail again at the parenting bit.

And you have how many kids and how old ?

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Stefan

I've seen the slippery slope, one of my mates in years 7, captain of every school Rugby League team, played at state level, still have videos of some of his televised games somewhere. All the girlies loved him, one of the brightest academically, played awesome guitar in year 7 ( the reason I started playing).

By the time year 12 rolled along he was a bum begging for money at Fairfield Station. He asked me for 10 bucks I did not even recognise him, 12 months later he washed up on Bondi Beach age 18.

I saw his younger brother a few years later and I asked about him, strict Croatian family, his dad busted him with a joint and booted him out of house, 2 years later dead.

It's been with me for 20 years, yes it's the bad crowd but as a parent you need to deal with it.

all good mate took your post a little out of context

being there in support mode no matter what is the key for beating the sh out of this

[Stefan]

We all have opinions. No my kids are not yet old enough, No I haven't been through it, and hope I never will.

Am I a perfect parent? No

Fiery I hear you mate and can feel your pain, just my opinion on things, and I'm likely completely wrong and in no way profess to know even a 10th of what you do on the subject.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Stefan

We all have opinions. No my kids are not yet old enough, No I haven't been through it, and hope I never will.

Yes we do all have opinions. Unfortunately unless you have the 'Been there, Done that' T shirt regarding ICE opinion, guesswork and Media reports is all it is.

So please don't try to tell the parents here that it's their fault.

[98TLS]

Originally Posted by snopony

Yes it does start here, but sooo many outside factors affect even the best attempts at parenting.... And then you have ice addicts that go on to have their own kids, the cycle repeats.... All of a sudden little Johnny is being naughty and dosnt get pulled up on it... It becomes the norm... Then his kids get away with more than he did.... And so on and so on.

Which brings us back to politicians/votes n governance i guess...few moons ago in order to get re-elected here in NZ an otherwise unemployable horde of do-gooders convinced she that did indeed get re-elected to pass a law that effectively put a halt to a parent pointing out whats wrong or not to there off-spring result being that child abuse stats have risen and your local bobby spends more time at a primary school getting told to **** off by an 8 year old than actually policing....Politicians in general are to stupid to be idiots.

[fiery]

Originally Posted by Stefan

We all have opinions. No my kids are not yet old enough, No I haven't been through it, and hope I never will.

Am I a perfect parent? No

Fiery I hear you mate and can feel your pain, just my opinion on things, and I'm likely completely wrong and in no way profess to know even a 10th of what you do on the subject.

I honestly hope you never ever have to experience any of it to be honest but if unfortunately you do experience the pain and devastation that the evil drugs serve up please don't try to cope with it alone!!
You will feel alone but unfortunately there is far more parents suffering through their kids moronic decisions than you could possibly believe.

Oh and just so you and anyone else here knows, saying you would give that kid a hiding. All that leads to is being charged with assault (the child abuse charges were dropped prior to the court hearing) and having to plead with a magistrate that you are at your wits end and it's not something you would do every day to your children.
Then for the following year or so have to continually prove yourself a fit parent of younger children to all those wonderful know it all departments that are completely text book trained!!!!

I sink my mind into my cars as it keeps me somewhat sane!!!

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Yes we do all have opinions. Unfortunately unless you have the 'Been there, Done that' T shirt regarding ICE opinion, guesswork and Media reports is all it is.

So please don't try to tell the parents here that it's their fault.

You better vet every posters credentials then mate as I doubt that every poster in 18 pages has a kid in ICE.

Its a forum and I don't agree with everything everyone says....

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Well that's were the parenting part comes into it.

If your kid goes off the rails you failed at the parenting bit, no ifs or buts, if you then boot the kid to the side. you fail again at the parenting bit.

That is so wrong and so naive that Im not exactly sure how to respond to it.

I grew up in a single parent household, my mum gave up everything for herself to raise us three kids, we stopped seeing our dad when I was 11. She taught us right from wrong, the way the world worked, respect, responsibility, how to cook, clean, earn money, was there for us through good and bad (as bad as bad is when you're a kid), she had holes in her shoes but didn't buy herself new ones, instead paying for me to go on a school camp.

At age 16 my sister met another girl who was an unsavoury type but they got along on some level I guess. Soon she started skipping school for a day here and there, then one day mum got a call from the police, she was caught stealing underwear and was in a cell. So we had to go get her. Mum tried everybpunishment in the book but nothing worked, she still skipped school and stole bits and pieces from shops.

One day she ran away from home with her boyfriend and didn't call us for two days. Mum was out of her mind with worry, she sat up in the lounge room for the whole time not sleeping, just waiting. When she came home to collect some clothes mum didn't try and stop her, she just said she's tried everything and given her everything and she had nothing left to give, no truer words have ever been spoken.

That night she came home and these days she's a normal 24 year old who just at one stage went stupid. We don't know if she was ever on drugs, and I don't really want to.

So bright spark, you tell me where mum failed as a parent.

All a parent can do is give their kids the best tools they can to navigate their way through life and be there for them when they screw up.

[fordomatic]

No one here can say they would do something when a certain situation comes up if they haven't experienced it before. The only time you truly know how you will react is when it actually happens to you.

I've seen men cower like little girls in a corner when a shot has been fired at them, what they said they were going to do was completely different. I've seen people do absolutely super human things in life or death situations that they thought they could never do. I've also had a family member say they would lock their kids in a safe room and disown them if they got addicted to drugs, guess what, the daughter didn't get locked in a safe room and disowned.

Unless you've been in the situation you have zero idea how you will react.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Stefan

You better vet every posters credentials then mate as I doubt that every poster in 18 pages has a kid in ICE.

Its a forum and I don't agree with everything everyone says....

You've only started posting in this thread today. Had you gone back and actually read the 18 pages you may find that I said something similar back near the start of the thread.

Just recently I gave up 'vetting every posters credentials'.
As I couldn't keep up with the Trolls who use the 'New Posts' area to chuck their 2c in because they think people will be interested in their thoughts, and those who believe what the media uses to sell Newspapers or TV shows .

However, I do take exception to people who jump on the 'it's the Parents fault' bandwagon, especially when they have no direct experience to back it up.