Covid 19 -

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

My favourite is that by shipping all the iron ore to China we unbalanced the planet and that's why the weather is all changing.

Don't laugh, they said the same about the 3 gorges dam... unbalancing the planet.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Don't laugh, they said the same about the 3 gorges dam... unbalancing the planet.

No, it slowed the rotation of the planet by less than a millionth of a second according to Nasa.
Infected individual wandered through my local shopping centre a couple of days ago. Health dept has published info detailing which shops and at what times eg Woolies 2.45 - 3.15. Who keeps track of their whereabouts in such detail? The stories of those govt tracking apps may be true.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by russellw

Before the adverse reactions start, the 41 deaths recorded today in Victoria only include 8 from yesterday with the remaining 33 having been delayed reporting, mostly from aged care facilities, some going as far back as late July. I'm not sure if they will go back and update the daily counts or if it's just going to be a statistical anomaly on the charts.

Yeap heard that on the wireless last night, unreal, some allege that people had died and the next of kin were not even notified quickly or even told how they died. Its beggars belief.

[Mulva]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

Who keeps track of their whereabouts in such detail? ...

Phone towers and CCTV do, Guy would have known he was there that date, the specific times they would have gathered from towers and/or CCTV.

Or he has a wife

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

As a civilian, wearing an improvised or so-called tested mask Vs a virus...

Someone throws sand in your face and you stand behind a cyclone fence for protection.

THE MASKS ARE NOT FOR THE MASK WEARERS PROTECTION.

Not sure why people don’t get this or they’re just being deliberately dense.
The mask slows down the spread by stopping the MASK WEARER from expelling potentially virus laden spittle at people walking past.

That’s why any mask can be effective, not just medical grade. By stopping spittle the potential of spreading the virus is drastically reduced.


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[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by Mulva

Phone towers and CCTV do, Guy would have known he was there that date, the specific times they would have gathered from towers and/or CCTV.

Or he has a wife

They gave the details of which shops he/she visited in the same centre eg Woolies 2.45 - 3.15 Coffee shop 3.15 -3.45 Bookshop 3.45 -4.15. I choose to believe that Bill Gates, George Soros, the UN and the WHO keep track of each of us every moment of every day. I just need to feel that somebody cares but I can't shake the horrible feeling that nobody gives a rats.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Not sure why people don’t get this or they’re just being deliberately dense.
The mask slows down the spread by stopping the MASK WEARER from expelling potentially virus laden spittle at people walking past.

That’s why any mask can be effective, not just medical grade. By stopping spittle the potential of spreading the virus is drastically reduced.


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I think the misunderstanding occurs when experts say how small the virus is and how a mask will not stop it. But the infected person does not expel just the virus when they cough but globs of snot that contain the virus. These a mask will stop. If you really enjoy inhaling other peoples infected snot don't wear a mask.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

THE MASKS ARE NOT FOR THE MASK WEARERS PROTECTION.

Not sure why people don’t get this or they’re just being deliberately dense.
The mask slows down the spread by stopping the MASK WEARER from expelling potentially virus laden spittle at people walking past.

That’s why any mask can be effective, not just medical grade. By stopping spittle the potential of spreading the virus is drastically reduced.


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You certainly dont need a degree to work that one out, its people with their pitch forks holding onto their busted thong that seem to kick up a stink.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

They gave the details of which shops he/she visited in the same centre eg Woolies 2.45 - 3.15 Coffee shop 3.15 -3.45 Bookshop 3.45 -4.15. I choose to believe that Bill Gates, George Soros, the UN and the WHO keep track of each of us every moment of every day.

Or...................... she kept all the receipts and the time would be on them.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Or...................... she kept all the receipts and the time would be on them.

You're just saying that because you're part of the secret conspiracy.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

You're just saying that because you're part of the secret conspiracy.

I'm sorry but I can't answer that as it's a secret.

[russellw]

76 new cases for Australia and 41 deaths sees the CMR rise to 2.532% while active drop to 3,744. It should be noted that only 8 of those deaths were for this day with the balance being late reporting over the previous 4 weeks or so. NSW recorded 10 cases, Queensland recorded 1 case with the balance in Victoria which was back down in double digits again.

9 new cases and 0 deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.266% and active cases drop to 131.

The UK had 1,406 new cases and as we know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines we are going to ignore those figures.

Just under 34k new cases in the USA yesterday and 369 deaths sees CMR drop to 3.033% and active cases rise to 41.5% with the raw numbers still rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
The USA completes 82M, India 42M and Spain 9M tests;
Asia passes 7M cases;
Oceania drops below Africa with a worse CMR - in fact it's really the only continent to have a CMR that is growing;

Israel (2,576) is the only country to recorded a new daily high; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Here are the current global CMR figures:

[T3rminator]

All this talk of tracking and tracing......kinda makes you think what the CovidApp could have been if properly communicated and implemented.

Vic still have a hell of a lot of "mystery" cases, and this is what is worrying the CHO. If you don't know where it comes from, how to do you contain it.

[XR Martin]

As long as you stop the mystery case from spreading it, then you can eliminate it.

[CoupeKing]

[FPV8U]

Victorian doctors pen desperate letter to Dan Andrews about controversial State of Emergency Bill

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...4b0e8f31f97441

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

As long as you stop the mystery case from spreading it, then you can eliminate it.

The problem is the people who aren't honest about their whereabouts eg "I told the wife I was working late but the secretary and I went out for dinner" or" The boss thought I was working but...."or "I went to meet my drug dealer"
The contact tracers just need to give an absolute guarantee of confidentiality but when it's police doing the tracing your drug dealer may not feel that he could depend on that.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Yeap heard that on the wireless last night, unreal, some allege that people had died and the next of kin were not even notified quickly or even told how they died. Its beggars belief.

Originally Posted by Polyal

Yeap heard that on the wireless last night, unreal, some allege that people had died and the next of kin were not even notified quickly or even told how they died. Its beggars belief.

Does that really surprise anyone though? Aged care facilities aren't known for their honesty/fairness and strict adherence to fair policies or guidelines.

They are basically for profit warehousing/agistment for end of life humans, it's disgusting.

They wouldn't be the subject of a royal commission otherwise.

I guess there's a lesson that you should do right by your children because they're the ones choosing your nursing home

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

The problem is the people who aren't honest about their whereabouts .....

I wonder also how many people that are supposed to be in isolation, don't do it but don't get caught. Of course cannot be contact traced either

[T3rminator]

Knew it, have already received this a dozen times on FB, from people that I would classify as "not stupid".

It's almost like they published it, deliberately without commentary, as a social experiment.

Melbourne doctor slams coronavirus conspiracy spreading on Facebook
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...5abd6c887f92b5

Originally Posted by PhilT2

The problem is the people who aren't honest about their whereabouts eg "I told the wife I was working late but the secretary and I went out for dinner" or" The boss thought I was working but...."or "I went to meet my drug dealer"
The contact tracers just need to give an absolute guarantee of confidentiality but when it's police doing the tracing your drug dealer may not feel that he could depend on that.

Unlikely to be drug dealers, because apparently, certain chemicals going up the nose will kill the virus. This was circulated very early on :P

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

You're just saying that because you're part of the secret conspiracy.

The keeping of receipts conspiracy. Related to keeping the original boxes of power tools conspiracy. I dare not say any more.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Not sure why people don’t get this or they’re just being deliberately dense.

Pretty sure he is not being deliberate.

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Melbourne doctor slams coronavirus conspiracy spreading on Facebook
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...5abd6c887f92b5

Pretty sure that's directed at you, cheap

Originally Posted by cheap

Comorbidities

CDC has released this latest data:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...#Comorbidities


Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.

For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities...

To date, less that 10,000 USA people have died exclusively of C19.

I wonder what the numbers mught be for Australia?

[Franco Cozzo]

Lol at the shot at layperson unable to correctly interpret a death certificate - might be time to make death certificates make sense to average Joe.

If a medical professional can't interpret it correctly then there's issues

[MITCHAY]

ABS Provisional Mortality Statistics, Jan - May 2020

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.../3303.0.55.004

[Franco Cozzo]

Victorian doctors pen desperate letter to Dan Andrews about controversial State of Emergency Bill

Senior doctors across Melbourne are urging politicians not to support a state of emergency extension, saying the move threatens to “destroy” the health and wellbeing of fed-up Victorians.

In a letter to Premier Daniel Andrews, seen by NCA NewsWire, 13 medical practitioners outlined their concerns about the State Government’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

They say it is “vital” stage four restrictions are lifted on September 13, believe “an alternative medical response” is required and highlight key data they think is being “excluded”.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...4b0e8f31f97441

[MITCHAY]

I think the whole SOE extension would be less an issue if it were say 3 month blocks.

12 months is ridiculous and is kicking an own goal IMO. A lot of this ****storm would have been avoided from the start.

If they have to hash it out in parliament every couple of months then so be it, that's their ****ing job

[CoupeKing]

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Portrait/vertical video in 2020 needs to be punished by death

[Franco Cozzo]

New report shows COVID-19 relief measures could be doing more harm than good

A report issued by one of Australia’s leading credit agencies is warning COVID-19 insolvency relief measures will cause a domino effect of business shutdowns.

CreditorWatch says the safe harbour moratorium that is relaxing insolvency rules will dent business confidence and plunge the country into a deeper recession, as government assistance mechanisms are propping up businesses that will inevitably fail.

The moratorium, which is scheduled to end on September 25, enables companies that have become insolvent during the pandemic to continue trading. It also provides temporary relief from personal liability and debt obligations.

A white paper report published in conjunction with the Australian Institute of Credit Management (AICM) and the Australian Restructuring Insolvency and Turnaround Association (ARITA) has raised concern the measures are “artificially” distorting insolvency rates that follow an economic downtown and will likely result in a deluge of failing businesses come October.

CreditorWatch said the relief measures implemented in March would potentially further dent business confidence and derail Australia’s economic recovery.

CreditorWatch chief executive Patrick Coghlan said a possible extension of the grace period would significantly push up the number of bad and doubtful debts within Australia’s credit and lending industry.

“If you start having good healthy business starting to go into administration, it will put more pressure on the economy and GDP as there will be less trade happening,” he said.

“We need to stop throwing money at bad businesses. It (safe harbour moratorium) needs to be removed so creditors out there start to understand who is good and who is not.”

The report also notes the distortion is resulting in businesses denying insolvency or being unaware of their true financial position.

According to the report, July default and administration numbers are down by approximately 50 per cent compared with June.

Mr Coghlan said in an economic downturn that number should be increasing.

It is understood the Federal Government has made no decision regarding an extension of the insolvency moratorium.

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg said the changes to insolvency and bankruptcy laws were to help shield businesses from the pandemic and get as many as possible through to the other side of the crisis.

“As the economy starts to recover, it will be critical that distressed businesses have the necessary flexibility to restructure or to wind down their operations in an orderly manner to ensure productive assets are being utilised efficiently,” he said.

ARITA chief executive John Winter said a number of businesses were malevolently avoiding paying down due debts due to the temporary relief measures.

“Some debtors that are no longer solvent are saying everything is fine to their suppliers when that’s far from the case,” he said.

“So a lack of consequence is fostering abhorrent behaviour in the marketplace, and creditors are being misled about their debtors’ true trading situation.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...41ea98cb0c73bc

Its 'The Australian' which is basically like opposite bias Guardian so look at this objectively.