I knew it was only a matter of time... Imported overseas workers for mining.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

mate that sounds good , im glad you work for a single rate of pay , i'm not sure about the 6 days off bit though , maybe a few less hours per week and a bit less time off might be in order to balance it out a bit .
no offence , nothing against you , but when other people can fly here and work cheaper and then send thier money back home to look after thier families , whats wrong with that , i'm sure they probably wont be getting more than 2 days off in a row , and over all working lesser hours bringing down the combined houry rate as overtime is probably incorperated into your hourly rate , based on the hours you work over the 2 weeks on , ( not the 3 weeks) . this is where australian employers are being whacked hard .

what you have is the rich just wana get richer..

lawyers and accountants the big miners are all about the $$$...

[gtfpv]

sorry people , i just wanted to see what it felt like being a real rotten soul , for a while . unfortunately we have people who have the attitude that i've had in the last few posts in this country , that are only too happy to ram a tree trunk up thier own proverbials and everyone elses as well .

stand up for your rights go against the rotten souls , and keep australia a great place for working families and individuals , stand against these changes . our country , our soil , our minerals our work , our economy , and our wealth our right .
i am opposed to overseas people having more rights to our country than US .

THOSE THAT NO MY CHARACTER , would 've known i'd been spinning it up , thanks for watching closely and not being too harsh WULOS

[GT 160]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

sorry people , i just wanted to see what it felt like being a real rotten soul , for a while . unfortunately we have people who have the attitude that i've had in the last few posts in this country , that are only too happy to ram a tree trunk up thier own proverbials and everyone elses as well .

stand up for your rights go against the rotten souls , and keep australia a great place for working families and individuals , stand against these changes . our country , our soil , our minerals our work , our economy , and our wealth our right .
i am opposed to overseas people having more rights to our country than US .

THOSE THAT NO MY CHARACTER , would 've known i'd been spinning it up , thanks for watching closely and not being too harsh WULOS

, well played sir.

[Pepscobra]

And people are surprised by this??

Honestly, with our selfish attitudes and increasing laziness and sense of entitlement, what did people expect?

I've been working in the SE Asian construction industry for the past 5 years and can tell you that people here work a hell of a lot harder for a hell of a lot less. Be worried people of Australia....

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

And people are surprised by this??

Honestly, with our selfish attitudes and increasing laziness and sense of entitlement, what did people expect?

I've been working in the SE Asian construction industry for the past 5 years and can tell you that people here work a hell of a lot harder for a hell of a lot less. Be worried people of Australia....

STAY OVER THERE DUDE . your in their country , do as your told .

[stalker]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

sorry people , i just wanted to see what it felt like being a real rotten soul , for a while . unfortunately we have people who have the attitude that i've had in the last few posts in this country , that are only too happy to ram a tree trunk up thier own proverbials and everyone elses as well .

stand up for your rights go against the rotten souls , and keep australia a great place for working families and individuals , stand against these changes . our country , our soil , our minerals our work , our economy , and our wealth our right .
i am opposed to overseas people having more rights to our country than US .

THOSE THAT NO MY CHARACTER , would 've known i'd been spinning it up , thanks for watching closely and not being too harsh WULOS

i thought you had split personality or something, going from your thread about the floor boards you seemed like a decent bloke :p

[Pub247]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

And people are surprised by this??

Honestly, with our selfish attitudes and increasing laziness and sense of entitlement, what did people expect?

I've been working in the SE Asian construction industry for the past 5 years and can tell you that people here work a hell of a lot harder for a hell of a lot less. Be worried people of Australia....

I'm sure your not one of those people otherwise you wouldn't be there.



Personally ive considered going to the mine hard work is not an issue for me. The things is I'm not sure if i can hack it mentally i have a 2 year old daughter that is the highlight of my day when i get home. Not everything in life is about money as much as id like it.
If i could could get a job locally that paid as much as the mines i'd be all over that.
Unfortunetly for me being a welder the manufacturing industry has gone to **** and no one can afford to pay what considered a fair wage (compared to what's earned in construction industry) and i assure you i work hard for what i get.

[Cheese3]

ill tell you guys a funny story. well our companys eba is coming up and our union got an email from the company saying dont expect wage increase like 2 of our major competition got as they are different companys. you should compare with Asia(thats what we come under) as we are the one company. and it had a list of pay. average in Asia for skill trade is $11.84hr

i just laughed and couldn't beleive they were serious!

[Cheese3]

ill tell you guys a funny story. well our companys eba is coming up and our union got an email from the company saying dont expect wage increase like 2 of our major competition got as they are different companys. you should compare with Asia(thats what we come under) as we are the one company. and it had a list of pay. average in Asia for skill trade is $11.84hr

i just laughed and couldn't beleive they were serious!

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by Cheese3

ill tell you guys a funny story. well our companys eba is coming up and our union got an email from the company saying dont expect wage increase like 2 of our major competition got as they are different companys. you should compare with Asia(thats what we come under) as we are the one company. and it had a list of pay. average in Asia for skill trade is $11.84hr

i just laughed and couldn't beleive they were serious!

with statements like that from a company , really the union needs to go back seeking a further increase based on other things like danger etc . the company obviusly does not value its aussie position, if you were seeking 2% now demand 3% , even better , have them state why an inflation pay rise isn't fair . remind your company where its getting it's profits from , you have the right to strike during EBA negotiations - it's the law . if you stay strong , watch the person who said that get punted and a 3% offer put on the table . if they dont respect your job how about you show them you respect it . ask them what the problem is when your on strike , they wont be losing money by payinfg their employeees than will they .

[Pepscobra]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

STAY OVER THERE DUDE . your in their country , do as your told .

Typical Australian arrogance.
Good on you mate, thats why they're taking your jobs.

Just so you know, I'm an Aussie expat who has actually seen first hand what Asia is capable of. Pull your head out of your backside. This is just the start.
Our Government is more concerned about protecting its foreign relationships with our trading partners than it is its people.

[MITCHAY]

Well not surprising considering they'd have no shortage of people willing to work for less.

The funny thing I've always found and not specific to the mines is a lot of trades want people but only want experienced people. You can't get experience if no one offers you the opportunity.

Personally I would never work there unless desperate. You get paid a lot but lets face it you're not going to bust your *** and work in some hole FIFO away from friends and family unless it pays good money.

[stalker]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Well not surprising considering they'd have no shortage of people willing to work for less.

The funny thing I've always found and not specific to the mines is a lot of trades want people but only want experienced people. You can't get experience if no one offers you the opportunity.

Personally I would never work there unless desperate. You get paid a lot but lets face it you're not going to bust your *** and work in some hole FIFO away from friends and family unless it pays good money.

and not if it will hardly cover the bills/ living expenses.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

And people are surprised by this??

Honestly, with our selfish attitudes and increasing laziness and sense of entitlement, what did people expect?

I've been working in the SE Asian construction industry for the past 5 years and can tell you that people here work a hell of a lot harder for a hell of a lot less. Be worried people of Australia....

then why are you telling us to be worried , shouldnt you be welcoming and embracing the asian way . i have no problem with the way asians live if they enjoy thier life , if they dont then i have a real problem with it .
which asian are we talking about anyway . the one that has different monetary currency , one currency for its own and another for international .
if you think that where you are is better , then stay there mate , i havent got any arrogance towards you , you have arrogance toward me for wanting what i have now , and think it only right that other people take it away from me , i dont know if you have children or not , but i guess if you have children then what your supporting you want for them , and if your ok with what you want your children to have than thats ok by me .
but what i want for mine , are not asian conditions . are you ok with that . ?

[Pepscobra]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

with statements like that from a company , really the union needs to go back seeking a further increase based on other things like danger etc . the company obviusly does not value its aussie position, if you were seeking 2% now demand 3% , even better , have them state why an inflation pay rise isn't fair . remind your company where its getting it's profits from , you have the right to strike during EBA negotiations - it's the law . if you stay strong , watch the person who said that get punted and a 3% offer put on the table . if they dont respect your job how about you show them you respect it . ask them what the problem is when your on strike , they wont be losing money by payinfg their employeees than will they .

Sorry, but this is a joke!
This is the exact attitude that is crippling our country and forcing manufacturers and employers to look overseas.
How'd that tactic work for those Qantas workers recently??

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

Sorry, but this is a joke!
This is the exact attitude that is crippling our country and forcing manufacturers and employers to look overseas.
How'd that tactic work for those Qantas workers recently??

no our manufacturers are going overseas to exploit workers there . you should get your facts right .

and maybe you might also want to find out why those workers are trying to migrate here .

[gtfpv]

double post .

[pottery beige]

there are already heaps of imported workers taking aussie jobs in mining.. some call them kiwis....

[Pepscobra]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

no our manufacturers are going overseas to exploit workers there . you should get your facts right .

Last time I checked, Australia was still part of the World and we provide goods and services at a global level. Now for us to be competative with the rest of the world, we need to match or better the quality and/or price of the goods we produce. Companies will go where ever they need to in order to remain competative.... Or die!

Just have a look at the boom in online shopping and importing from overseas.

I respect your socialist views, but in our current economy, we need more doing and less expecting. How do you think Asia is growing in strength?

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

Typical Australian arrogance.
Good on you mate, thats why they're taking your jobs.

Just so you know, I'm an Aussie expat who has actually seen first hand what Asia is capable of. Pull your head out of your backside. This is just the start.
Our Government is more concerned about protecting its foreign relationships with our trading partners than it is its people.

yep.. its a sell out..

[Cheese3]

Its for the share holders! thats the be all and end all, record profit!

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

Last time I checked, Australia was still part of the World and we provide goods and services at a global level. Now for us to be competative with the rest of the world, we need to match or better the quality and/or price of the goods we produce. Companies will go where ever they need to in order to remain competative.... Or die!

Just have a look at the boom in online shopping and importing from overseas.

I respect your socialist views, but in our current economy, we need more doing and less expecting. How do you think Asia is growing in strength?

i hear you loud and clear , and i dont know the answer . asia is growing in strength because it is essentually running 2 currencies if it's china we're talking about here , the chinese can buy things in there own country , that is produced by them , and sell to the rest of the world at many times what they can buy it for themselves , its very smart policy indeed .
i dont know the answers , but i do know that thier way of life is getting better for them , its pretty much reverse capitolism . in the end they will own the world, i dont know what comes after that . perhaps world migration who knows .

[Pepscobra]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

and maybe you might also want to find out why those workers are trying to migrate here .

No arguements there, but contrary to your (simple minded?) beliefs, most of Asia is actually not covered in sweat-shops and overcrowded nike factories. Its mostly beautiful and living is cheap. People are happy here.

Why do you think there is a huge Aus Expat population living and working in Asia?

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

No arguements there, but contrary to your (simple minded?) beliefs, most of Asia is actually not covered in sweat-shops and overcrowded nike factories. Its mostly beautiful and living is cheap. People are happy here.

Why do you think there is a huge Aus Expat population living and working in Asia?

hmmm i guess if our earnings come down to thiers , which is what your promoting , inflation will sky rocket and they wont be enjoying exponential growth anymore . , who is going to buy thier empty cities then ?

[Cheese3]

you answered this wholw debate just then "living is cheap"

i spent 6 months last year backpacking through Europe visit 22 different countries and i was amazed how cheap the basics were and majority of the people seemed more happy.

i beleive we have the wrong mindset with certain things. i like the saying

Australia : we live to work
world: (countries ive visit) they work to live

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by Cheese3

you answered this wholw debate just then "living is cheap"

i spent 6 months last year backpacking through Europe visit 22 different countries and i was amazed how cheap the basics were and majority of the people seemed more happy.

i beleive we have the wrong mindset with certain things. i like the saying

Australia : we live to work
world: (countries ive visit) they work to live

i do agree entirely . when we crash , due to the wealthy not being able to exploit us anymore , and we cant afford to buy things from overseas at cheaper prices , thse cheaper countries economies will crash also , hasnt this happened in the past before ? we are a small country , undercutting everyone and inviting them to your sales ultimately has an end capitolism will seek the highest profits and spare none , in the hope that they are in the top 10% , and everyone else can get screwed . its a race to the bottom , in the end the 90% hit back . the country that has the biggest 90% wins , and guess who that is . capitalists exist in thier own countries also , after they get taken down where do they go , who do they take next .
telling people we need to compete with the lowest sellouts to the rest of the world , is fine for them untill the rest of the world falls .

a little bit of self respect i believe in is treat your neighbour the way you treat yourself . you work , they work , you pay the same price as them , you earn the same as them and you fight for that . . this where our corperate world sell everyone out , and fail , as they have no moral respect . except $$$$$ . this is where workers who pay the price , and they do pay the price in every aspect in life , and taxes and war and morals must always demand a fair go . if we have a different currency , a different price , than we must respect our currency for all who live in our country , not sell out and work cheaper because prices are cheaper in asia .

[Pepscobra]

Originally Posted by Cheese3

you answered this wholw debate just then "living is cheap"

i spent 6 months last year backpacking through Europe visit 22 different countries and i was amazed how cheap the basics were and majority of the people seemed more happy.

i beleive we have the wrong mindset with certain things. i like the saying

Australia : we live to work
world: (countries ive visit) they work to live

So the point you're trying to make is that living in Australia is expensive and you're ok with that?

Have people ever really thought why it's so expensive to live in Australia?

[GhiaEB]

I've tried to get into the mines, but with no exp they won't have even look at me unless it casual/contract work. I'm sorry but I am not willing to give up my full time job for 3weeks work on a mine site that maybe ongoing. I have commitments that I need to pay (rent, personal loan and the such) I'd much rather take job security than a fat pay check.

I am going to the mining jobs expo tomorrow in Perth to try to get a full time job in the mines.

[Addz08]

Originally Posted by Cheese3

Well I'm a qualified fitter and turner with fork/WP/doggers/confine space. Been doing it for 7years and I just ticked over 24. I don't mind hard work/long days, I grab every bit of over time I can, and coming up I put my hand up to do nightshift again 7day weeks. I tried mid last year applying for the mines to test the water/ see if i can get a better job and I couldn't even get an interview. I'm pretty sure it's not my resume as I got my brothers girlfriend who has a literature double degree. All I get back from the 3 different companies is "Thank you for your interest blah blah we are looking from people with mining experiences" how the hell you get experience... if every job add says you need it.

So true mate, I went and got my generics, coal board, i,m a mechanic by trade, and i,ve been trying that long the tickets are just about out of date...

[Pepscobra]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

i do agree entirely . when we crash , due to the wealthy not being able to exploit us anymore , and we cant afford to buy things from overseas at cheaper prices , thse cheaper countries economies will crash also , hasnt this happened in the past before ? we are a small country , undercutting everyone and inviting them to your sales ultimately has an end capitolism will seek the highest profits and spare none , in the hope that they are in the top 10% , and everyone else can get screwed . its a race to the bottom , in the end the 90% hit back . the country that has the biggest 90% wins , and guess who that is . capitalists exist in thier own countries also , after they get taken down where do they go , who do they take next .
telling people we need to compete with the lowest sellouts to the rest of the world , is fine for them untill the rest of the world falls .

If your grammer was a bit better, I'd be able to understand what you are saying better.... But i think i agree with what you're try to say.

Yes, just look at what the recent Euro crisis is doing to Asian stockmarkets and currencies.

But keep in mind, we may be a small population, but Asia is not.
We are also more acustomed to our plush way of life and if it goes, we will find it harder to adapt.