Doctors urge radical reduction in blood-alcohol limits & increasing drinking age

[poppa smurf]

Originally Posted by Express

Sure let them advise the public of the harm and consequences but then it should be up to the individual to be allowed to decide if they wish to heed to that advice or not.

I agree wholeheartedly but in alcohol instances these individuals then get themselves into varying difficulty which makes alcohol and drugs their worst enemy. fighting, jumping off balconies, driving.

we, the emergency services must then fight the alcohol and drugs in their system in order to administer life saving equipment with the patient or on lookers are fighting us all the way.

the person would not act in this way if he/she were not affected by alcohol or drugs.


Not at the expense of everyone else, this is why we are slowly losing all our freedoms and becoming a nation regimented by rules and laws to protect a minority from themselves. Life is about choices and risks, let us be happy and free to live it that way.

unfortunately it is another case of "minorities ruining it for the majority"......I imbibe, a family, friends gathering more often than not involves the demon drink but No 1 I will never drive after a few drinks nor any of my friends or family, regardless of what the statistics show, I am on the coal face and have witnessed the outcome.

our freedoms (if we ever had such a thing) and rights (a whole different issue again) are being eroded by the few amongst us that are creating a position of danger to the masses with law makers reacting accordingly (rightly or wrongly).

we, the emergency services, must pick up the pieces of a drunken Saturday night too many times, some see it as fun to bash the head in on a total stranger then plead not guilty through alcohol,

drive too fast, act obnoxiously in public and generally behave like dicks simply because they are drunk.

I don't wholeheartedly agree with what the doctors are saying but I have also seen the "other side".....hospital staff abused and attacked for trying to help, ambo's having to be protected against the very people they are there to help, emergency services personnel having to fight their way to a crash scene.

sons and daughters doing irrational things that they regret in the morning and would not normally do.

alcohol has become such an intrinsic part of society that many people now see it as a right of passage, the hotels industry will lobby to the death against any lockout laws that are designed to make our streets safer but will not support our local footy.

we can't get volunteers anymore because they "can't be stuffed".......our footy, soccer, netball teams, emergency services can't get volunteers, ambo's can't get staff, systems, that uphold a whole town, are failing through lack of participants, society as a whole is failing our young.

drink is one problem, drugs are another, degradation of the family system is what I blame.

just let me correct one statement that is being echoed throughout this post.......I do not blame the young, nor did I say that it was restricted to the young, they are the victims of the breakdown of the morals of society, without direction they react in the simplistic of ways, the only way they know how.

I remember the "6 o'clock swill......even then there was consternation amongst more folks about that than there were participants......hence why it changed.

anyway, my two bobs worth.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by SYZ

On the whole, I agree with the recommendations of the Royal Australasian College of Physicians, and let's face it, their members are certainly in a position to observe and comment on the results of drunken driver road accidents.

No, they're not. They're in a position to discuss treatment measures, they're not in a position to deliver an informed opinion on how to address the issue when it comes to road safety. For that, you need a statistician to identify who is causing the problem. And it certainly isnt the people in the 0.02-0.05 BAC range.

People in general give doctors way too much credit. As a former scientist, I would read a lot of medical research, and I would laugh at that which was conducted by clinicians. Faulty logic, faulty conclusions, faulty methodology. They should stick to treating people, and keep their nose out of areas in which they have no expertise.

[cheap]

I drink red wine purely for its medicinal properties - honest!

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265635.php

[castellan]

Originally Posted by poppa smurf

unfortunately it is another case of "minorities ruining it for the majority"......I imbibe, a family, friends gathering more often than not involves the demon drink but No 1 I will never drive after a few drinks nor any of my friends or family, regardless of what the statistics show, I am on the coal face and have witnessed the outcome.

our freedoms (if we ever had such a thing) and rights (a whole different issue again) are being eroded by the few amongst us that are creating a position of danger to the masses with law makers reacting accordingly (rightly or wrongly).

we, the emergency services, must pick up the pieces of a drunken Saturday night too many times, some see it as fun to bash the head in on a total stranger then plead not guilty through alcohol,

drive too fast, act obnoxiously in public and generally behave like dicks simply because they are drunk.

I don't wholeheartedly agree with what the doctors are saying but I have also seen the "other side".....hospital staff abused and attacked for trying to help, ambo's having to be protected against the very people they are there to help, emergency services personnel having to fight their way to a crash scene.

sons and daughters doing irrational things that they regret in the morning and would not normally do.

alcohol has become such an intrinsic part of society that many people now see it as a right of passage, the hotels industry will lobby to the death against any lockout laws that are designed to make our streets safer but will not support our local footy.

we can't get volunteers anymore because they "can't be stuffed".......our footy, soccer, netball teams, emergency services can't get volunteers, ambo's can't get staff, systems, that uphold a whole town, are failing through lack of participants, society as a whole is failing our young.

drink is one problem, drugs are another, degradation of the family system is what I blame.

just let me correct one statement that is being echoed throughout this post.......I do not blame the young, nor did I say that it was restricted to the young, they are the victims of the breakdown of the morals of society, without direction they react in the simplistic of ways, the only way they know how.

I remember the "6 o'clock swill......even then there was consternation amongst more folks about that than there were participants......hence why it changed.

anyway, my two bobs worth.

Degradation of the family ? and why is it so ?
I had a South African just say off hand say he found that Aussies have no strong family bond or real strong family values over here, I agreed with him that it's true from what I have seen mainly, rude kids that get away with anything, not to mention disrespectful of everyone.

It was not that way when I was a kid or you would get punched out if you were disrespectful or rude, not to mention getting the cane at school for even just talking.

There was always morons around and a type of people that were feared by the law to deal with them as they truly should of, but the wind bags just went mental claiming harassment and so on.
There was a political party that supported all this Political correct rubbish and it has caused a hell of a lot of problems nowadays with their degenerate BS.

Cops would get you if you were causing trouble and could polish their boot with you tail directly and if your ran home to mummy and daddy they would support the copper right to do so full on, but nowadays degenerates would sue the cop full on without hesitation.

We are a just a simple narrow minded short sighted me me, I I, generation now and they just do not see the big picture that we are a nation and Society reaps what it sows and the windbags have been running around undermining our nation by pushing for socialists Marxist state where just irrational dim whits claim what ever they see fit to go along with, what ever the trend at the time the TV media push, such poor simpletons that can't think for themselves or the nations benefit as a whole.

It's a new age degenerate criminal intent not to mention malice that our nation is facing and it sticks out like dogs balls.

No one can stand up to them because they are just like the Nazi's they hate freedom of speech and work to undermine all who stand up to there filthy grubby delinquent ways.

[GasoLane]

Can we stay on topic please, and not go rambling on all over the place.

[Mowdit]

Is it all because of social media ?

Sure, teens today drink, so have most generations, some people more and others less.
But in this day and age of NUMBERS, the numbers are readily available for comparison because of social media (seasonally adjusted obviously ! )

In my teens I was an advocate of a legal drinking age of 21, but some 30 years on it doesn't matter, marketing lollie water drinks to 18 year olds are what early teens see and seem to readily acquire to drink. (like smoking still...)

I have lost friends to worse things, sadly

"the youth of today will only learn by falling flat on their own faces"
No matter what advice we TRY to give

[Trump]

I'll use Germany as the example. Over there, alcohol is readily available (beer, wine and spirits). Convenience stores open 24/7 have a whole wall dedicated to it. Yet they don't have the same problem with alcohol as Australia does. Why???

I contend that it is because there is a significant cultural difference between the two countries. There is no obsession with grog over there as we seem to have here. Alcohol consumption is a part of the daily routine, even for kids. They are taught what it is and exposed to it at an early age so that they develop a healthy respect for it.
That is completely missing in Australia; alcohol is a taboo much like smoking and by the time adolescents get close to the age of eighteen, getting access to alcohol is a form of rebellion.

As such, the wowsers will never be able to legislate their way out of the alcoholic mess unless significant cultural shifts occur.

[Ford_The_Win]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

I'll use Germany as the example. Over there, alcohol is readily available (beer, wine and spirits). Convenience stores open 24/7 have a whole wall dedicated to it. Yet they don't have the same problem with alcohol as Australia does. Why???

I contend that it is because there is a significant cultural difference between the two countries. There is no obsession with grog over there as we seem to have here. Alcohol consumption is a part of the daily routine, even for kids. They are taught what it is and exposed to it at an early age so that they develop a healthy respect for it.
That is completely missing in Australia; alcohol is a taboo much like smoking and by the time adolescents get close to the age of eighteen, getting access to alcohol is a form of rebellion.

As such, the wowsers will never be able to legislate their way out of the alcoholic mess unless significant cultural shifts occur.

I blame our UK forebears as they seem to the only other culture of people with the same disgusting obsession with alcohol, and they have gifted this by proxy.

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by poppa smurf

won't make a scrap of difference......we had a mob of youngsters (all well under 18) used next door as a party house.

drink, vomit, drink, pass out, drink .....some red lolly water stuff was their choice, stains all over the house and road.

police were regular attendants, not once were they asked where they obtained the alcohol or who bought it for them.

Culture now is that a "good time" can't be had without getting drunker than the next one, without booze they have no "good time".

age is not the problem, the amount is.......the culture that is behind the habit must be changed.

Rubbish.

Australian society has become one of do-gooders who are attempting to protect MY life.

Why should we tax alcohol out of existence as with cigarettes simply because someone else thinks it's bad for ME?!

For chrissake what has happened to this country?

I can buy pot cheaper than a pack of fags...that's how absurd this place has become.

People behaving badly is the problem...bloody hell!
Did anyone ask why those kids weren't charged? Maybe they didn't break any laws!

Poppa, is it your house that is stained, the road has some red stains on it, kids are being loud?

[SYZ]

Originally Posted by Express

Sure let them advise the public of the harm and consequences but then it should be up to the individual to be allowed to decide if they wish to heed to that advice or not.

Presumably if VicRoads lower the speed limit on a dangerous section of road (as often happens) you're happy in deciding that you're better qualified than the road authority to assess the situation, which then gives you the "right" to ignore the new limit and put others' lives at risk? Just as driving under the influence puts others' lives at risk—in the face of the medico's warnings?

Originally Posted by Express

Not at the expense of everyone else, this is why we are slowly losing all our freedoms and becoming a nation regimented by rules and laws to protect a minority from themselves. Life is about choices and risks, let us be happy and free to live it that way.

Are you seriously claiming that someone's excessive alcohol consumption is not a risk to other people? Or an unnecessary burden on our already overextended health facilities? At any rate, how can you claim that drunken behaviour only (allegedly) affects a minority of people, when between 25% and 30% (depending on the State) of road fatalities involve excessive BAC levels?

And I agree that life is about "choices and risks", but any/all of those risks should not impinge on the inalienable rights of other people surely? Yes, I can choose to drive at 160km/h in an 80 zone when I'm ****ed outa my brain, and risk my own life, but..... is it fair to also risk the lives of other road users? Of course not.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by SYZ

Are you seriously claiming that someone's excessive alcohol consumption is not a risk to other people?

On what basis are you claiming 0.02 to 0.05 is excessive? On what basis are the doctors? They haven't done any sort analysis. Its just an opinion, and on the face of it, no more valid than yours or mine.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by SYZ

Presumably if VicRoads lower the speed limit on a dangerous section of road (as often happens) you're happy in deciding that you're better qualified than the road authority to assess the situation, which then gives you the "right" to ignore the new limit and put others' lives at risk?

Different topic, but it is stupid when a stretch of road has been a particular speed limit for 40 years, the road is then upgraded with wide lanes, centre barriers and all that, then the speed limit is dropped by 20km/h. Have seen that happen so many times over the past few years. And what do you know mobile speed cameras and highway patrol suddenly show up daily.

[Express]

Originally Posted by SYZ

Presumably if VicRoads lower the speed limit on a dangerous section of road (as often happens) you're happy in deciding that you're better qualified than the road authority to assess the situation, which then gives you the "right" to ignore the new limit and put others' lives at risk? Just as driving under the influence puts others' lives at risk—in the face of the medico's warnings?

As an qualified Civil Engineer that designed and costed roads and bridges in rural NSW and oversaw their construction for Local Councils and was employed as a Traffic Engineer for a number of Sydney Councils where I formulated, recommended and implemented traffic management system for the Local Area Traffic Committees, I guess you could say I probably do have some qualifications in your scenario.

Check some of my older posting and you’ll see where I’ve spoken of my employment history.

Still I fail to see what that has to do with someone who has experience in patching up human bodies being given the go ahead to take a big stick and cure society of its ills by prohibition.

That approach really does have a strong history of working well doesn’t it, now pass the crack pipe.

Originally Posted by SYZ

Are you seriously claiming that someone's excessive alcohol consumption is not a risk to other people? Or an unnecessary burden on our already overextended health facilities? At any rate, how can you claim that drunken behaviour only (allegedly) affects a minority of people, when between 25% and 30% (depending on the State) of road fatalities involve excessive BAC levels?

And I agree that life is about "choices and risks", but any/all of those risks should not impinge on the inalienable rights of other people surely? Yes, I can choose to drive at 160km/h in an 80 zone when I'm ****ed outa my brain, and risk my own life, but..... is it fair to also risk the lives of other road users? Of course not.

You’re on a much higher horse than me as I have only offered my personal opinion on freedom versus regulation and a person’s right to choose.

If law makers follow your lead then it's going to be a sterile world as everything an individual does ultimately has an impact on those around them so where and when do you stop regulating?

Maybe the new world of social media is already doing this job for us as everyone is staying home behind lock indoors forming relations thru machines instead of like when I grew up and we went out into the world and my mum would scream out at me as I went out the door, Steven watch out for the wells, don’t fall down one.

Or maybe some travel will show that not every country see regulation as the answer, it's more the non thinking man's cure.

[Adamz Ghia]

In any case, punish the offenders, not the ones who do nothing wrong.

[damo76]

It's going to be a biy hard because i have just discovered Cointreau after using it in making my midori illusions... I have been making Cointreau Fizz cocktails and a litre bottle is lasting me about a week.... i dont really drink but love this stuff

[SYZ]

Originally Posted by Express

Still I fail to see what that has to do with someone who has experience in patching up human bodies being given the go ahead to take a big stick and cure society of its ills by prohibition. [...]

I'm thinking that maybe you're underestimating the observational abilities of the medical professionals working in trauma units in our hospitals, and their capacity and competence to make recommendations on the social use of alcohol, plus its negative effects on the wider community.

They're not being given a "big stick" to cure society's ills by any means; they're simply making an observation based on what they see in the emergency wards; injuries or deaths which are directly connected with excessive alcohol consumption, either by themselves as drivers and/or other drivers.

It's also incorrect to suggest that the medicos are talking about "prohibition", which is more akin to a total banning. A few of the points they make would seem sensible to me, whilst still allowing people to freely drink alcohol under appropriate circumstances—which is not before or while driving a vehicle:

• The legal age for buying takeaway alcohol should be raised immediately,
• Sports sponsorship by alcohol companies should be banned,
• Governments should further restrict the trading hours of licensed premises and bottle shops,
• Local councils should be given the power to reduce the number of licensed premises in their communities.

—And no, I'm not a wowser. I always have a slab of Cooper's Pale Ale on ice in order to to soothe the savage beast LOL.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by SYZ

I'm thinking that maybe you're underestimating the observational abilities of the medical professionals working in trauma units in our hospitals, and their capacity and competence to make recommendations on the social use of alcohol, plus its negative effects on the wider community.

They're not being given a "big stick" to cure society's ills by any means; they're simply making an observation based on what they see in the emergency wards; injuries or deaths which are directly connected with excessive alcohol consumption, either by themselves as drivers and/or other drivers.

It's also incorrect to suggest that the medicos are talking about "prohibition", which is more akin to a total banning. A few of the points they make would seem sensible to me, whilst still allowing people to freely drink alcohol under appropriate circumstances—which is not before or while driving a vehicle:

• The legal age for buying takeaway alcohol should be raised immediately,
• Sports sponsorship by alcohol companies should be banned,
• Governments should further restrict the trading hours of licensed premises and bottle shops,
• Local councils should be given the power to reduce the number of licensed premises in their communities.

—And no, I'm not a wowser. I always have a slab of Cooper's Pale Ale on ice in order to to soothe the savage beast LOL.

Whilst it isn't out and out prohibition, these ideas will do nothing to stem the tide of alcohol related trauma. If anything, they will exacerbate them as people on the wrong side of that legislative ledger will go to greater extremes to get access to alcohol. A sub-culture will rise, with a string of mini-speakeasies popping up to fill a newly created demand for intoxication.

The only way to reduce the incidence of alcohol related trauma is to start educating the young at a very early age; modelling the Germanic system wouldn't be a bad way to go about it. This isn't a quick fix, it will be a generational one. But we have to start somewhere.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by SYZ

I'm thinking that maybe you're underestimating the observational abilities of the medical professionals working in trauma units in our hospitals, and their capacity and competence to make recommendations on the social use of alcohol, plus its negative effects on the wider community.

And if we let police set policy, we'd soon end up with curfews. There's a reason policy needs to be set at arms length - so you can see the big picture.

[STINKY NINJA]

I didn't read the whole article but I think the limit for driving should be zero.
I don't drive at all after even a sip of alcohol,i do have consideration for other people and their families,i think for some people even .05 is too much alcohol in their system.
Australia as a whole is an alcoholic country,because its legal folks deem it to be acceptable to abuse it,rules definitely need to change.
Tbh I expect a lot of people to not like what ive said,i personally don't know someone who drinks who cant live without alcohol for 1 day,myself I only drink once every 1 to 2 weeks and don't have any at home so im not an alco;)

[JG66ME]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Yeah thats it, they should sell alcohol at servos as well.

They do in the UK.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

I didn't read the whole article but I think the limit for driving should be zero.
I don't drive at all after even a sip of alcohol,i do have consideration for other people and their families,i think for some people even .05 is too much alcohol in their system.
Australia as a whole is an alcoholic country,because its legal folks deem it to be acceptable to abuse it,rules definitely need to change.
Tbh I expect a lot of people to not like what ive said,i personally don't know someone who drinks who cant live without alcohol for 1 day,myself I only drink once every 1 to 2 weeks and don't have any at home so im not an alco;)

Vote 1 Nazi party ! for zero.

People have every right to drive and not have some Nazi grub come up with you are this or that number as the fact is I know that some people are drunk on 2 pots of Beer.
But the fact is the human body adjust to alcohol and even drugs, so a drinker maybe is totally fine at 0.05 and maybe even up to 0.10 truth be known.

I know people who I would not get into a car with that are totally sober and others that would have to be drinking all day blind drunk to be as bad a driver as some totally sober and that's a fact.

I have more faith to get into my stupid mate micks car any day than some, he drinks about 500ml of rum a day and about a six pack of beer with it and that's taking it easy and the thing is you would not know he had been drinking at all, he looks as sober as a judge.

Sure some should not drive over 0.05 I agree, but I have been done for 0.05 and 0.065 and I can tell you it's was an invasion of my rights not to mention it was total BS hell I have been buggered driving home from working all day and just that makes a total joke of the madness of the 0.05 limit.

Fact is Political Correct new age people can't see reality from nonsense because they are brainwashed by foolish Nazi types that can't see past the letter of the Law.

[Express]

Originally Posted by SYZ

I'm thinking that maybe you're underestimating the observational abilities of the medical professionals working in trauma units in our hospitals, and their capacity and competence to make recommendations on the social use of alcohol, plus its negative effects on the wider community.

They're not being given a "big stick" to cure society's ills by any means; they're simply making an observation based on what they see in the emergency wards; injuries or deaths which are directly connected with excessive alcohol consumption, either by themselves as drivers and/or other drivers.

It's also incorrect to suggest that the medicos are talking about "prohibition", which is more akin to a total banning. A few of the points they make would seem sensible to me, whilst still allowing people to freely drink alcohol under appropriate circumstances—which is not before or while driving a vehicle:

• The legal age for buying takeaway alcohol should be raised immediately,
• Sports sponsorship by alcohol companies should be banned,
• Governments should further restrict the trading hours of licensed premises and bottle shops,
• Local councils should be given the power to reduce the number of licensed premises in their communities.

—And no, I'm not a wowser. I always have a slab of Cooper's Pale Ale on ice in order to to soothe the savage beast LOL.

I’m sure your heart is in the right place but the hammer you’re wielding is too big for the job and focusing on legislation to corrected societies failings has never worked before and why would it now.

In Sydney the Doctors are pushing hard to ensure there is no lifting or softening of the current inner city late night alcohol restrictions and are advocating they be implemented wider throughout the State.

That appears to be the start of a form of prohibition to me.

As I stated earlier, when does it end.

And if it does occur it just pushes the problem underground.

It reminds me of the old joke, ‘let’s get violence off the street and back in the homes where it belongs’.

[Express]

While I’m at it I may as well get on the soapbox and voice my opinion about other unsafe practices in society.

I don’t believe anyone should be allowed to modify their cars in any way from factory spec.

The manufacturers know best and produce vehicles that meet ADR’s and the relevant safety requirements and any changes to a vehicle may put other road users at risk.

It’s time the State Governments got serious in protecting their citizens and any modifications to rims & tyres, suspension, power adders, window tint or whatever should incur a loss of licence and revoke of registration with repeat offenders given gaol sentences.

For safety sake only vehicles that retain the manufacturer’s specifications should be allowed to use public roads.

Where are the doctors and why are they and Governments pussy footing around when it comes to road trauma and community safety?

Lift the driving age to 25 and don’t allow any performance vehicles on the roads and start to force manufacturers to govern vehicle's top speeds to not exceed the highest speed limit for that State.

The number of deaths and injuries each year due to motor vehicles has to stop.

And once that’s done a new focus should be found each year for us to be protected from until we get to the stage where we go from the womb straight to a cotton filled box and spend our lives in it so as not only to protect ourselves but also everyone around us.

Gee some people should go overseas and experience some free thinking social freedom for a chance as Australia is fast becoming a place controlled by scaremongers and alarmists.

[lgpking22]

alcohol restrictions and lock outs have been an outstanding success every time they have been implemented

[Tote]

Originally Posted by lgpking22

alcohol restrictions and lock outs have been an outstanding success every time they have been implemented

Particularly in the US in 1920. Opened up a new market for organised crime and made the mafia rich. Cost the taxpayers millions of dollars chasing illegal alcohol and engendered a culture of lawlessness and illegal manufacture of spirits that continues to this day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohib..._United_States

Regards,
Tote

[SYZ]

Originally Posted by castellan

But the fact is the human body adjust to alcohol and even drugs, so a drinker maybe is totally fine at 0.05 and maybe even up to 0.10 truth be known.

Can you please cite a reference to this claim, or are you simply posting your medically-unqualified opinion? Or worse, is it just a guess?

I know people who I would not get into a car with that are totally sober and others that would have to be drinking all day blind drunk to be as bad a driver as some totally sober and that's a fact.

LOL... you must have a very bizarre group of friends if that's the case. And if you're happy to ride with a "blind drunk" driver, then more fool you.

I have more faith to get into my stupid mate micks car any day than some, he drinks about 500ml of rum a day and about a six pack of beer with it and that's taking it easy and the thing is you would not know he had been drinking at all, he looks as sober as a judge.

In that case—unfortunately—Mick is an alcoholic, and rather than bragging about his drinking "prowess", you should be guiding him towards some sort of counselling. At least they won't have to waste any embalming fluid when he departs this mortal coil LOL.

Sure some should not drive over 0.05 I agree, but I have been done for 0.05 and 0.065 and I can tell you it was an invasion of my rights [...]

No it was not. It's an invasion of other road users' rights to drive in safety. Apart from that, 0.05 BAC is the law, and you broke it.

Fact is Political Correct new age people can't see reality from nonsense because they are brainwashed by foolish Nazi types that can't see past the letter of the Law.

As soon as someone mentions the word "Nazi" in any debate, they've lost the argument. Sorry.

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by SYZ

In that case—unfortunately—Mick is an alcoholic, and rather than bragging about his drinking "prowess", you should be guiding him towards some sort of counselling. At least they won't have to waste any embalming fluid when he departs this mortal coil LOL.

And this is why I can't stand where Australia is heading.

Why is it someone else's problem what Mick does in his own home?

If he gets in his car and drives on public roads over 0.05 then he gets what he deserves.
But guide him towards counselling...isn't it his life to do with as he chooses?

I better not do any burnouts on my 9000 acres because god forbid I might hurt myself and become a burden on the medical system. Where does it end...

[castellan]

Originally Posted by SYZ

Can you please cite a reference to this claim, or are you simply posting your medically-unqualified opinion? Or worse, is it just a guess?

LOL... you must have a very bizarre group of friends if that's the case. And if you're happy to ride with a "blind drunk" driver, then more fool you.

In that case—unfortunately—Mick is an alcoholic, and rather than bragging about his drinking "prowess", you should be guiding him towards some sort of counselling. At least they won't have to waste any embalming fluid when he departs this mortal coil LOL.

No it was not. It's an invasion of other road users' rights to drive in safety. Apart from that, 0.05 BAC is the law, and you broke it.

As soon as someone mentions the word "Nazi" in any debate, they've lost the argument. Sorry.

If you remember I have more "faith" in old mick than others that I know when they are sober, I don't support drunk driving at all and who do you know does ?

I made the point that it is so, it's a fact ! that I do have more faith in him driving me around at 0.10 or maybe even 0.20 than many others sober, that is what I pointed out as a fact.

0.05 is not the bee's knees that people have been spun as I have pointed out that some people could be effected by 2 beers and as such they are hopelessly affected, I have seen this with non drinkers many a time and I have seen others that can drink all day any you would not even be able to tell that they have been drinking at all and it's a fact.

What I would point out to you is that a person could be in no way fit to drive after 2 beers regardless, even if he was given a reading of 0.04 I believe such could in fact be true.

A figure of say 0.05 has nothing to do with the reality of a persons ability as one could be said to be drunk and another totally fine to drive in reality and if someone does not understand what I have said, such a person must lack comprehension of the facts of reality to do with the human body.

I had a mate that took medication because he had kidney transplant from the age of 12 to 48, now over time doctors have to adjust this medication as the body builds up the ability to deal with any drug over time and then needs more, now if you or I were to swallow what he took in a day I think we would both be dead.

I ride a dirt bike as does my stupid mate Mick, now that can take a lot of ability to ride on some tracks and mountain hill climes and old mick has done fine on his CR500 and KTM 300 and 650FE Husaberg he is a A grade classed rider, now some times he has kept of the drink the day before to try have a go at trying to even have a go at even beating me out their, it does not work but for a drunkard he is very impressive I will say.
Sure He gets on my goat with having to get back to have another drink, as he says Castellan ! I can hear them little brown bottles calling me, micckk micckk come drink us going on in his head, he says when you are buggered fighting the heat and conditions that most will not have a go at and nor could they.

So there you go, just some reality ! and not just some ones opinion on the couch dreaming up crap on paper.

I have even worked with drunkards on the job site that were bloody good at their job fast and spot on as well, one was a solid plasterer who had a 6 pack for smoko and he was the best I have ever seen at his job, was a great bloke as well.

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

And this is why I can't stand where Australia is heading.

Why is it someone else's problem what Mick does in his own home?

If he gets in his car and drives on public roads over 0.05 then he gets what he deserves.
But guide him towards counselling...isn't it his life to do with as he chooses?

I better not do any burnouts on my 9000 acres because god forbid I might hurt myself and become a burden on the medical system. Where does it end...

Or the mum dad and two kids cop what they don't deserve because of him...

[lgpking22]

Originally Posted by Tote

Particularly in the US in 1920. Opened up a new market for organised crime and made the mafia rich. Cost the taxpayers millions of dollars chasing illegal alcohol and engendered a culture of lawlessness and illegal manufacture of spirits that continues to this day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohib..._United_States

Regards,
Tote

This isnt prohibition it was a reference to lock out laws and alcohole restrictions been a success not a blanket ban so not sure what extremely large bow your drawing