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29-04-2010, 09:12 PM | #31 | |||
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29-04-2010, 09:34 PM | #33 | |||
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Does anyone know how much the typical 35 pack is going up to?
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29-04-2010, 09:36 PM | #35 | |||
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pack of 30's is going up an average of $2.15 it various from brand to brand |
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29-04-2010, 09:36 PM | #36 | |||
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How true... The average smoker on a pack of day already pays about $6 per pack in tax. Now it'll be $8. That's $8 x 7 x 52 = $2912 a YEAR!! That's some health insurance policy! What about people like me, who already pay private health insurance? Shouldn't I be exempt becaus I'm already paying? |
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29-04-2010, 09:42 PM | #37 | ||
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I will offer my blunt, insensitsitve opinion,
Though I have to say I only heard about this today (& implemented at 0.00), I cant understand why it was so short in its announcement. As a pure conspiracy, so that no one had time to say, "gotta give this up in 3 months before thie increase", so they could milk the cow with both hands, plus a partners hands. Working in a servo, I always hear about the price of them, even comparing against woolies/safeway & coles, etc. I have always wondered why are you complaining? "Your just pulling out a $20 note & burning it" literally. But you wont physically pull one out of your pocket & light it would you? My dads a smoker, & has tried to 'give up' countless times. Everytime he tries, he lasts about 24hrs, & when he restarts, he says he has too much stress in his life (I have noticed this as a common excuse, not a reason among smokers that I have asked why they do). Now without getting into a sympathetic sob story, I have just as much stress if not alot more than most people (especially dad). As a start, financially I barely get by working 7 days a week (but im working on that problem in the spare time I get). I dont smoke, how have I coped with my stress? or any other non-smoker for that matter? I just dont get it. I used to shoot competitively & that helped the stress I can tell you! However time & money wise, I just cant at the moment & haven in quite some time. So I just handle my stress. Some cant. Everyones different & I suppose thats the bit I cant get in my head. To me If you dont like the hike, get something else to relieve the stress & save money, or have something to show for it!But I suppose once your hooked....... Thats what as a non-smoker I just cant understand, I havent been there so I can't know. However after all that, I still cant logically comprehend a 25% hike in such a very short time. But its a government decision.
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29-04-2010, 09:50 PM | #38 | |||
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I am not massively against a tax on cigarettes, but damn, RTDs (which I do not buy anyway) have not gone down at all.
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29-04-2010, 09:53 PM | #39 | ||
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Okay...
On Star Control II (greatest PC game ever) there is a race called the Druuge. They are piggish humanoid creatures who are greedy. The planet is owned by the 'Crimson Corporation'. Every single Druuge from birth is employed by the corporation and in effect, owned by it too. The corporation owns all commodities on the planet and frowns upon debt. To avoid debt, one must work for the corporation. In effect, working for the corporation gives the individual the right to drink water and even breathe air. Once they stop working, they are in effect stealing air. As a result, they are thrown in the furnaces, which provides power to the massive industries in action on the planet. I simply wonder how long until we live under this regime...
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29-04-2010, 10:04 PM | #40 | ||
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Another tax to save smokers from them self, I think they used the same line for last five or so hikes. They rely on the tax revenue from smokers, I'd hazard a guess they make a bunch more then it cost's in hospitals.
But most people know it's been pushed through quick to take attention away from the ETS back flip, any more and we'd have circus Oz running the show...oh hang on. |
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29-04-2010, 10:06 PM | #41 | ||||
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29-04-2010, 10:20 PM | #42 | |||
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As for quitting, it is very easy and it is all just a mind game. Those ads on TV saying you need quit a bait are not designed to tell you the truth, they are pumped out to alter your thinking the nasty Nico bugs will bite, all mind conditioning and cods wallop as you do not need any of it. They would like you to think you do and believe this you now even have a path selection it's that important. If you believe that crap that is. All you need is some chew-able vitamin c to help with the withdrawal and lots of clean filtered water, nothing more , well maybe a bag of lolly snakes in the first week for busy fingers and you good to go. The biggest thing is not the craving but the habits formed, you will find you will without thinking shift the ashtray, pick up the empty smoke packet, walk to where you used to smoke. |
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29-04-2010, 10:21 PM | #43 | |||
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How about i put this i a perspective you may understand because the thing you wrote was dribble stress is the excuse for dad to keep his pride. If i went with out food,water,smokes for a day or 2 and you put water some food and a cigerette in front of me i would choose the smoke everytime . Its a addiction with out a cigerette life is hell . This is the reality about ten years ago i made a choice to have a smoke or 2 or ten whatever to me every other day there has been no choice i continued smoking so i would feel normal as in like you normally would . To quit a desicion has to be made to fight the addiction to put up with withdrawl symptoms for a month or 2 by the way last time i attempted to quit i lost my cool told my boss to go ******** himself and lost my job as a result. And the addiction makes you think you dont want to quit . It makes you think you enjoy smoking . |
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29-04-2010, 10:22 PM | #44 | ||||
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I think with a tax take of about 65% of the price that it is obvious the government is using smokers as a cash cow. The extra money will be dumped into general revenue and likely not spent on specific things like healthcare. Rudd and co don't give an aeronautical act of intercourse about it - despite their public justifications for jacking up taxes - they just want to spew out an excuse to keep the masses happy. If they want people to stop smoking - ban them. The extra tax to "discourage" smokers is rubbish - they just know people will keep paying for them because they are hooked. Same with booze and petrol - price goes up, demand drops only slightly and the coffers are filled.
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29-04-2010, 10:28 PM | #45 | ||
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pauljh74 last i heard the tax on smokes is over 300%
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29-04-2010, 10:33 PM | #46 | ||
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They've got to repay the so called "stimulus package" handout somehow.....
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29-04-2010, 10:35 PM | #47 | |||
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Smokers are the current pariahs. However when the social do-gooders have finished with them, drinkers will be next.
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29-04-2010, 11:08 PM | #48 | ||
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While i think that it will eventually help people quit, it will only be the heavy smokers as the 1 or 2 pack a week smokers arent going to notice $4 extra a week. The problem i have is how they did it. I'd heard about it a few days ago and thought alright then when they announce the date that will be my goal to quit, but they all of a sudden set it for midnight tonight just to make that extra money out of everyone. Bastards
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29-04-2010, 11:17 PM | #49 | ||||
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I'm glad I just bought a fresh deck!
What I would really love to see is a week or month every year where we REALLY stick it to the government, not smoking, not drinking, and not getting any traffic infringements. Be super super vigilant. This would go for the entire population, and just see how they start reacting when people aren't giving them their revenue through these common means anymore. That being said, it is so much easier in theory than in real life. Plus, I think Alcohol/Ciggies are a fed tax whereas fine revenue from cameras etc would be state. I do want to quit smoking at some stage before I'm 30 (July) so maybe this will just be an accelerant towards that.
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29-04-2010, 11:31 PM | #50 | ||
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The reason they introduce these things so quickly is to avoid people stockpiling. Personally I love it, its an optional tax that I don't choose to pay.
I've just got home from visiting my partner in hospital. There is a middle aged woman in the same ward with cancer. They've found secondary cancer but havn't yet located the source. In between tests her and her daughter (in her early 20s) slip out the front for a smoke. Another extremely fragile looking old (but not THAT old) lady in a mobility scooter also sits with a cigarette hanging limp out of her lips, occasionally letting out a weak cough and ashing on her hospital gown. It appears her arms are too weak or tired to even perform this simple action with dignity. do I feel sorry for smokers? Yes! But it sure isn't because they have to pay a few dollars more for cigarettes every budget.
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29-04-2010, 11:32 PM | #51 | |||
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As the ETS/CPRS scheme is dead the government needs to recoup it's handouts somehow. Taxing cigarette's is easy as it's done under the guise of getting people to quit. Strange though the government says it will add $5b in revenue. That to me is not a zero sum game if it's relying on people to quit. Obesity has overtake smoking as the #1 cause of preventable death. That being the case we would surely see a tax/levy/excise imposed on junk food based on Rudd's flawed logic. Time to take a yearly trip to Dubai and buy duty free cigarettes there.
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29-04-2010, 11:35 PM | #52 | |||
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30-04-2010, 12:17 AM | #53 | |||
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30-04-2010, 12:36 AM | #54 | ||
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The pollies are just using smokers as an excuse to add in another tax. Pure and simple. All the rest of it is just dribble from their mouths, which they are good at.
I could give plenty of examples where non-smokers are more burdon on the health system than a smoker. But that's moving well off topic. At the end of the day, it's just typical pollies trying to justify a way to rip people blind and use the "flavour" of the month to do it.
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30-04-2010, 12:43 AM | #55 | |||
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30-04-2010, 12:56 AM | #56 | ||
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Ahh well, one less macca's meal a week to cover the ciggi's hike *shrugs* I did quit after my pneumonia scare, but having Mark walk around me smelling of smoke, lighting ciggi's up etc, made it hard & I quit on quitting. But I still have patches so I'll use them to cut down I guess. I guess Rudd wins both ways with me. I'll still buy some smokes and that $2 extra per pack that I would have bought on the extra ciggi's, well that'll goes towards patches.
It's funny. They say the hike is to help people quit but they know for a fact that every day people take up smoking so really, it's a front. Yeah, people will probably stop because of the costs but others will start and the government still win. 10 stop, 10 start. They get their extra tax and the same amount of people will still be smoking. Make sense?
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30-04-2010, 01:13 AM | #57 | ||
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My wife smokes either she excepts the extra cost or gives up, I would rather see taxes going on these luxury items instead of the things we all really need to live like milk, bread etc.
Unlike our wages this tax is totally voluntary.
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30-04-2010, 08:01 AM | #58 | ||
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well for me as a smoker it is now time to quit
I was only just justifying the cost to the wife but this has made it impossable on part income that i have atm Jason
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30-04-2010, 08:32 AM | #59 | ||||
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Simple really, backflip on your biggest policy; divert the idiotic masses' attention by announcing the very next day a policy that will upset these same idiotic masses more, thinly disguised as a health policy. Australia the clever country? More like "Australia, a country so dumb its ancestors are famed for the remark; what a lovely wooden horse, of course we'll sign for it".
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30-04-2010, 09:22 AM | #60 | |||
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