Phil Hughes dies---RIP - Page 2

cram_it_frog · 01-12-2014, 01:20 PM

Did any one see they had one more death in cricket
An umpire at a cricket match in the Israeli city of Ashdod has died after being hit by a ball.

A batsman's shot struck Hillel Oscar in the neck, possibly after a ricochet from the stumps at his end of the pitch.
The incident comes just two days after Australian batsman Phillip Hughes died of a head injury caused by being struck by a ball at a match in Sydney.
Umpires in cricket, unlike some players, do not wear helmets.
However, such incidents are extremely rare.
An umpire at a match in Wales died five years ago after a ball thrown by a fielder hit him on the head.

LG17 · 01-12-2014, 03:42 PM

The many, many personal tributes are just mind boggling.
Here's another

https://www.facebook.com/foxsportsau...type=1&theater

ford71V8 · 02-12-2014, 12:46 PM

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ford71V8 · 02-12-2014, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapid_Axe

I was sad to read this while being stuck during the freak storm last Thursday but two things I watched/heard really bought it home for me.

- Listening to Ryan 'Fitzy' Fitzgerald on Nova 96.9 Friday evening
- Watching Michael Clarke finally let it out Saturday morning

RIP Hughesy...

Yeah watching Clarkey Saturday morning was not pleasant.

My son (8yo) has played 2 games of cricket since Hughes passed away....last night the team wore armbands, was a nice sight and I felt most understood and respected the moment well.

cram_it_frog · 02-12-2014, 03:08 PM

Tomorrow a small country town Macksville will be over flowing from visitors and a live coverage of the funeral to all Australian s

this is outpouring of grief is totally amazing to see and for me personally some glimmer of hope this world can be a better place to live

because deep down people do care about others

we really do live in the lucky country

Bridgette01 · 02-12-2014, 09:06 PM

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This is a great post, I totally agree

JC · 03-12-2014, 09:16 PM

The funeral today was brilliant -brought a tear to my eye once or twice. It was funny, sad, and enlightening. Made me wish I had actually known P J Hughes.

RIP Phil.

zilo · 08-12-2014, 12:50 AM

They should ban the bouncer, the bowler should be aiming at the stumps not the batsman.

prydey · 08-12-2014, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by zilo

They should ban the bouncer, the bowler should be aiming at the stumps not the batsman.

i don't think so. that would be a massive over reaction and a real shame for the game of cricket.

the idea is to get the batsmen out. that doesn't mean the only mode of dismissal is to have him 'bowled'.

the short ball is very effective at pushing the batter back in his crease.

this is nothing more than a freak accident. i hope australia and india discuss all and any issues regarding the short ball long before they take to the pitch so that they are all comfortable with whatever may unfold.

**Polyal** · 08-12-2014, 07:55 AM

Man so many times over the years we would use the bouncer for tactical reasons. Usually because the batsman was good but you will always have times when the bowler will make a mistake and just pitch it short. You cant stop it and we shouldnt look at doing that.

Everything we do has risk, we just need to manage that but in this case we also live life accepting that the risk is worth the reward.

In this case a bloke loved his cricket.

Vincenzo · 08-12-2014, 03:29 PM

Have a watch of the "Bodyline" series. Bouncer bouncer bouncer load the onside field then bamo, fire in a yorker and take out the stumps. It was introduced by douglas Jardine the english Captain to try to restrain Bradman and company - 1930's.

Cheers Vincenzo

**fordomatic** · 08-12-2014, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by zilo

They should ban the bouncer, the bowler should be aiming at the stumps not the batsman.

It would be a sad day for cricket if this happened.

The bouncer is the perfect ball to take confidence out of batter. I'm a fast bowler, average 120-130 in club cricket and the bouncer is an extremely useful tool in my kit bag. A good bouncer bowled in the right spot and then followed up by a nice yorker or slower ball always brings wickets for me.

If an opening batsmen didn't fear a bouncer and got in the groove they easily run away from the fielding team.

Lets not beat around the bush, a bouncer is used to rattle the batsmen, no ifs buts or maybes. Should cricket ban it because of one freak accident? no way!

**Polyal** · 08-12-2014, 09:31 PM

Freaks a good word, imagine doing the maths on balls ever bowled vs deaths and it would surely be so tiny you wouldn't think twice about it.

If things like the UFC exist then I reckon the bouncer is pretty safe.

In Focus · 08-12-2014, 11:53 PM

I'd love to see the bowler give a warning before his first bouncer of a spell, or perhaps bowl it high and/or wide.

zilo · 09-12-2014, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Freaks a good word, imagine doing the maths on balls ever bowled vs deaths and it would surely be so tiny you wouldn't think twice about it.

If things like the UFC exist then I reckon the bouncer is pretty safe.

Freak accident?

In deaths maybe, but how many injuries are there every year?

It makes cricket a thugs game instead of a game of skill when the intention is to injure the other player.

prydey · 09-12-2014, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by zilo

Freak accident?

In deaths maybe, but how many injuries are there every year?

how many injuries are year, not including muscle strains? i think you'd be able to count them on one hand even if you were missing half your fingers. there are very few injuries in cricket caused by being hit whilst batting. as mentioned earlier, if you calculate the number of balls bowled every year (540 a day in tests, not including extras) and the number of injuries, you would realise how extremely rare injuries of this nature are.

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Originally Posted by zilo

It makes cricket a thugs game instead of a game of skill when the intention is to injure the other player.

no one is out there to intentionally injure another player. if this is what you think, then you haven't watched much. any time a batter gets hit, it doesn't matter who is playing who, the fielding side always ask if he'd ok. the bowler will normally make a gesture of apology etc.

as for skill, a decent short ball is skill. you want the batsman to smell the leather as it whistles past his nose

prydey · 09-12-2014, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by In Focus

I'd love to see the bowler give a warning before his first bouncer of a spell, or perhaps bowl it high and/or wide.

seriously?

how about the batsman let the fielder know where he is going to hit the ball too.

**Polyal** · 09-12-2014, 07:44 AM

I think your being nice prydey. Unless people have played I think its hard to make a call by sitting back and watching.

Damn straight you sometimes bowl a bouncer to hurt the guy. Im not talking about death obviously (or anything overly serious), thats horrendous, but a smack in the ribs, hit the hands, something like that isnt a bad outcome.

Its meant to shake the guy a little because if your resorting to short stuff then he has your measure so you have to try something. Just changing the pitch is all part of bowling, slow or fast.

I think it shows how fragile we actually are, and that in reality everything we do has risk, crossing roads, painting on ladders etc etc.

A good example is attending motorsport, that can end badly too for just watching it but we accept it. I may chose to sit at a particular spot at a corner thinking im safe but you never know.

zilo · 09-12-2014, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

I think your being nice prydey. Unless people have played I think its hard to make a call by sitting back and watching.

Damn straight you sometimes bowl a bouncer to hurt the guy. Im not talking about death obviously (or anything overly serious), thats horrendous, but a smack in the ribs, hit the hands, something like that isnt a bad outcome.

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I guess in your world anything goes ?

NP If you were bowling to my team mate I guess i could always wack you with my bat as you ran past and bowled from the far end aye mate?

I mean anything goes right? Gotta shake the bowler a bit aye?

**Polyal** · 09-12-2014, 09:36 AM

VERY long bow there.

Not at all, the bouncer is 100% legal, so yes I do play to the rules.

With all due respect have you played before? Even when I was a junior I played against seniors who would employee the same tactics. Its part of the game.

Also its a very fine line between a bouncer being at the head/neck and into the ribs. Depends on pitch condition and a host of other things and even the best wont admit they can 100% claim to getting the trajectory spot on every time even if they are aiming for the general area.

**fordomatic** · 09-12-2014, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by zilo

I guess in your world anything goes ?

NP If you were bowling to my team mate I guess i could always wack you with my bat as you ran past and bowled from the far end aye mate?

I mean anything goes right? Gotta shake the bowler a bit aye?

Dude, it's part of the game. People with your sort of views are the reason this country is such a nanny state. Are you going to take a high powered engine out of an F1 car because it killed someone?

I'm yet to speak to any one of my mates that care about the bouncer being bowled to them because of what happened. As a number 11 batter i cop some serious bouncers due to what i dish out as an opening bowler. I've had 3 fingers broken and two broken noses. I was no more scared on Saturday then i was before this happened. It's part of the game, get on with it and enjoy it.

**GasoLane** · 09-12-2014, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by zilo

I guess in your world anything goes ?

NP If you were bowling to my team mate I guess i could always wack you with my bat as you ran past and bowled from the far end aye mate?

I mean anything goes right? Gotta shake the bowler a bit aye?

As usual you've gone to extremes to gain attention.

Perhaps you should go to The Sports Bar, http://www.fordforums.com.au/forumdisplay.php?f=306
I'm sure the people there would love to hear your take on how to play Rugby and Boxing without hurting the other side.

Now, back on topic please.

zilo · 09-12-2014, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

VERY long bow there.

Not at all, the bouncer is 100% legal, so yes I do play to the rules.

With all due respect have you played before? Even when I was a junior I played against seniors who would employee the same tactics. Its part of the game.

Also its a very fine line between a bouncer being at the head/neck and into the ribs. Depends on pitch condition and a host of other things and even the best wont admit they can 100% claim to getting the trajectory spot on every time even if they are aiming for the general area.

Yeah I played, nothing seriously competitive.

40 years ago anyone who bowled "short" was considered incompetent.

At the end of the day, the objective was met.

The bowler sought to hit the batsman in the head and he succeeded.

He certainly wasn't aiming at the stumps and now he has to live with that.

Happen to see what happened to Clarke today?

Didn't get hit by the ball, just injured himself avoiding it.

How satisfying it must be to defeat a batsman by injuring or intimidating him.

zilo · 09-12-2014, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fordomatic

Dude, it's part of the game. People with your sort of views are the reason this country is such a nanny state. Are you going to take a high powered engine out of an F1 car because it killed someone?

I'm yet to speak to any one of my mates that care about the bouncer being bowled to them because of what happened. As a number 11 batter i cop some serious bouncers due to what i dish out as an opening bowler. I've had 3 fingers broken and two broken noses. I was no more scared on Saturday then i was before this happened. It's part of the game, get on with it and enjoy it.

Sure mate, i'd be real impressed if my son came back from a cricket match with a broken nose and fingers cause some idiot who couldn't bowl him with any skill or accuracy decided to use intimidation as a tactic.

**fordomatic** · 09-12-2014, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by zilo

Sure mate, i'd be real impressed if my son came back from a cricket match with a broken nose and fingers cause some idiot who couldn't bowl him with any skill or accuracy decided to use intimidation as a tactic.

Haha they were bowled at me to hurt me and intimidate me, i'm 28, it's part of the sport and i'm fine with it. It does take skill to bowl a bouncer, I'm an A grade player so people that can't bowl don't make it to our league.

prydey · 09-12-2014, 08:38 PM

i guess fielders shouldn't field at silly mid on or off, or bat pad either, and if they do, the batsman should not hit it in their direction in case they get hurt???

seriously zilo, we are talking national and international cricket.

**GasoLane** · 09-12-2014, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

we are talking national and international cricket.

And therefore professionals and should be experts in their field.

**Fordman1** · 10-12-2014, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by zilo

Yeah I played, nothing seriously competitive.

Obviously....... from your comments that is.

In Focus · 11-12-2014, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

seriously?

how about the batsman let the fielder know where he is going to hit the ball too.

First ball, not every one. Just as a gesture, like the not-Mankadding-someone-first-time gesture when it was technically legal to do it, or calling a batsman back if you don't think the ball carried.

Maybe I'm a bit old fashioned.

**Falcon Coupe** · 11-12-2014, 10:16 PM

Yep he's gone. RIP