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[foxtrot3]

Hi. We can bag this bloke all we like but remember that he probably got the ball rolling in regards to recalls on ba brake hoses and terry ball joints which ford said were just isolated problems. Cheers MD

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by foxtrot3

Hi. We can bag this bloke all we like but remember that he probably got the ball rolling in regards to recalls on ba brake hoses and terry ball joints which ford said were just isolated problems. Cheers MD

AFAIK there have been no recalls on BA brake hoses, Carsguide was pushing there should be a recall due to readers input, disregarding other factors that may have caused the front brakehose failures. But in the end it was found there was no justification for it and the matter was closed.

The BA rear brake hoses were changed as a Ford campaign, which happened much earlier than Carsguides somewhat confused discussion on brakehoses, which often confused BA brake hoses with the Terri front brake hoses that I believe did have a recall.

[mrbaxr6t]

I see any news on television or read any print article and if I detect any bias or signs of lack of research then the article is some douche pushing his opinion onto others, reporters are SUPPOSED to tell both sides of an issue without bias and without opinion if they cant they sux needless to say I cannot name a single reporter (use the term loosely) that actually is able to do their job the way it should be done.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by mrbaxr6t

I see any news on television or read any print article and if I detect any bias or signs of lack of research then the article is some douche pushing his opinion onto others, reporters are SUPPOSED to tell both sides of an issue without bias and without opinion if they cant they sux needless to say I cannot name a single reporter (use the term loosely) that actually is able to do their job the way it should be done.

I can, a certain writer who now writes excellent and informative articles in Australian Muscle Car magazine. This particular writer previously wrote for Carsguide, I wonder why he left?

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by foxtrot3

Hi. We can bag this bloke all we like but remember that he probably got the ball rolling in regards to recalls on ba brake hoses and terry ball joints which ford said were just isolated problems. Cheers MD

No he didn't.

[ltd]

Holden have done a deal with News Limited for cheap cars. Holden also supply heaps of loan cars to various News Ltd publications for evaluation and therefore always receives positive articles about them. Ford refuse to prostitute their products to these people and therefore receives the castigation it gets.
The very fact that Ford is climbing up the customer satisfaction ratings worldwide whilst GM are in freefall demonstrates how bias often confuses reality with idealism. Smithy is a hack with the writing skill of a premenstrual teenager watching Glee on a school night. People like him should really try to be independant, as they marginalise a huge customer base with their biases and rank stupidity.

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by vztrt

No he didn't.

Then who did? He was the first journalist I read that pointed out the Terri ball joint issues and also the rust issues.

Simple fact remains if Ford enginered and built the cars better, no journalist would be in a position to criticise, no matter what their perceived bias.

But Ford don't, so they cop it. There will always be lemons and what not in any car, but Ford drops the ball, and then expects to get away with it, far too often.

If this journalist has a bias agains’t Ford, then as a Ford customer I am glad to hear it. No bastard at Ford seems to think its important to fix these issues otherwise.

Dan

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

Then who did? He was the first journalist I read that pointed out the Terri ball joint issues and also the rust issues.

Simple fact remains if Ford enginered and built the cars better, no journalist would be in a position to criticise, no matter what their perceived bias.

But Ford don't, so they cop it. There will always be lemons and what not in any car, but Ford drops the ball, and then expects to get away with it, far too often.

If this journalist has a bias agains’t Ford, then as a Ford customer I am glad to hear it. No bastard at Ford seems to think its important to fix these issues otherwise.

Dan

Yes, cause all Ford do is sit around and drink coffee. I forgot experts like you exist who know the entire operation. Also your one of the experts who would do a 1000 times better job in designing the vehicle. You should appy I mean you'll obviously save the company!!

Ford do actually work on these issue, there is data that they have, they do speak to dealers. The problem is you cant do a recall if you don't have a solution (which has been a case in some cases), or the solution is very complex so there is investigations into why. Other times the part is updated and the problem goes away, or the a jump in problems comes about from poor supplier quality issues.

Yes there are design flaws with the Falcon as its a car on a budget, but there are also design flaws with Toyota's, Holdens, Mitsubishi's, etc.

[04redxr8]

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

Then who did? He was the first journalist I read that pointed out the Terri ball joint issues and also the rust issues.

Simple fact remains if Ford enginered and built the cars better, no journalist would be in a position to criticise, no matter what their perceived bias.

But Ford don't, so they cop it. There will always be lemons and what not in any car, but Ford drops the ball, and then expects to get away with it, far too often.

If this journalist has a bias agains’t Ford, then as a Ford customer I am glad to hear it. No bastard at Ford seems to think its important to fix these issues otherwise.

Dan

When you consider the number of components that go into making a car, the design, engineering, construction, etc,etc, then the number of people required to put it all together, there is a huge amount of room for error.

Are you so perfect at your job, that you have never made even the slightest of errors? If you are, you deserve more money. If not, should we name, shame and chastise you?

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

Then who did? He was the first journalist I read that pointed out the Terri ball joint issues and also the rust issues.

Simple fact remains if Ford enginered and built the cars better, no journalist would be in a position to criticise, no matter what their perceived bias.

But Ford don't, so they cop it. There will always be lemons and what not in any car, but Ford drops the ball, and then expects to get away with it, far too often.

If this journalist has a bias agains’t Ford, then as a Ford customer I am glad to hear it. No bastard at Ford seems to think its important to fix these issues otherwise.

Dan

Just some more backround on good o'l Smitty, the Ford President MB personally agreed to handle all cases that Graham Smith received on the Terry ball joint issues when they were handed over. This was never made public and Smith kept on commenting as though Ford were neglecting the issue when in fact they redesigned some components but had to trial and validate them to ensure it was a positive step. SYII had the changes. I personally asked him to divulge how many individual complaints on this matter he received, how many failures were on non-Ford dealer serviced cars etc...and I'm still waiting, lol.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

Then who did? He was the first journalist I read that pointed out the Terri ball joint issues and also the rust issues.

Simple fact remains if Ford enginered and built the cars better, no journalist would be in a position to criticise, no matter what their perceived bias.

But Ford don't, so they cop it. There will always be lemons and what not in any car, but Ford drops the ball, and then expects to get away with it, far too often.

If this journalist has a bias agains’t Ford, then as a Ford customer I am glad to hear it. No bastard at Ford seems to think its important to fix these issues otherwise.

Dan

What a stupid, ignorant thing to say. Perhaps you should sell whatever Ford you have and go and buy a Holden. It's what "Smithy" recommends you do.
Further, report back any issues you have. Ever tried getting warranty out of Holden? Thought so.

Fact is Holden is a PR company first, a car company second. They do extensive, expensive and effective marketing. Beyond their break even points and huge discounting to both fleets and private buyers, it's why they're making a consistent LOSS whilst Ford (a car company first, PR second) is making a PROFIT. More cars sold for Holden yes; second year in a row making a loss too.
If you had any commercial nouse you'd know not to confuse paid endorsement of journalists with reality. Speak to any Holden owner, they'll tell you of the horror stories they've had with their commodores, like the VE with: Splitting fuel tanks, transmission faults, driveline clunk, A/C failures, electrical faults, faulty airbags etc etc.

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by ltd

Holden have done a deal with News Limited for cheap cars. Holden also supply heaps of loan cars to various News Ltd publications for evaluation and therefore always receives positive articles about them. Ford refuse to prostitute their products to these people and therefore receives the castigation it gets.

Now I normally defend most writers as I know the constraints they are always under. But I must say this observation above certainly rings true. Even the bike journos that come under the ACP Magazine umbrella always seem to turn up at motorcycle events in SS utes or SS Commodores that are on the fleet from Holden, as in test cars for the ACP Magazine stable but they just get farmed out to all and sundry as there must be such a surplus on them.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by 04redxr8

When you consider the number of components that go into making a car, the design, engineering, construction, etc,etc, then the number of people required to put it all together, there is a huge amount of room for error.

The only room for error is when they choose cheap Chinese crap. We know these folks and quality do not go hand in hand.

Gone are the days of quality Pilkington glass, e.t.c. All you have to do is strip and rebuild an EL and a BA (like I did) & you will see the quality difference between the two in terms of panels, plastics, fit & finish, design features and so on.

[GK]

1. Simthy is absolutely biased. I read the same section each week and get sooooooooo tired of his pro holden bias.

Examples:
2. Crummy fuel economy is never mentioned.
3. Crummy engine performance Omega Vs XT is never mentioned.
4. Commodore electrical gremlins not mentioned.
5. Commodore brake issues never mentioned.
6. Commodores still chew out rear tyres - my cousin (Holden red blooded - traded his new Omega after 25,000 kays. Tyres stuffed, told by Holden service manager that it's normal. Smithy doesn't mention such things, but is more than happy to dump on Ford at every opportunity.

FACT:
All cars have issues. It's just that selective reporting like his, only further leads those without any real understanding of such things, to believe that Holdens rock the world, and Ford drivers are deluded, when of course the opposite is true! LOL!

Am I biased, absolutely, but at least my bias is known and not hidden, with the pretence of being even-handed.

GK