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No. I was replying to jpd80's comment about the 2.3 ecoboost when I saw your comment.
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From Jan 2024 https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota...mes-to-be-cut/ |
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there’s probably loads of forward orders and ship timings can really skew the numbers we see. For me the up tick in Ranger and Everest are everything I’ve been hoping for but I got myself in a dark place, someone convinced me that the T6 team was being wrapped up in Australia, now I know that’s all BS, I’m excited by the fact that future products won’t be just minor refreshes…. |
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Toyota have had a rough run with RAV4 production over the last few years. COVID causing general havoc with electronics supply chain. Then an explosion in the foundry in the supplier factory that makes front end components. Then down for a few days because a back end IT server ran out of disk space. Plus the general issues with shipping delays of late.
It looks like the supply tap is a bit more open now. To Toyota's credit, the RAV4 is a good car for the market segment that it is targeting. It has an efficient drivetrain and, for once, Toyota have delivered a vehicle with reasonable roadholding (again, reasonable for its targeted market segment). I think Toyota would sell a lot more RAV4 if people weren't put off by the very long wait. |
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And that leads to a really interesting question. Exactly what have customers been doing the last few months when they walk into the dealership?
There was a bit of chatter recently about forward orders starting to dry up, and then that chatter has gone quiet. Does anyone on the inside have insight as to how customers are reacting the last few months? Have the forward numbers stayed the same or gone down? |
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Jimny is making Suzuki a great profit in that segment. Launched at $25k, they're now close to $40k and still selling well. A mini Ranger would do well if from a profit margin perspective.
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But these days $60K is the new $30K. Given you can get new Kei trucks at around $25K you'd be better off going one of those if you want some cutesy mini 4x4. |
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Yep, was going to get one for bush-bashing. But not at $40k. Just makes no sense whatsoever at that price. That car is a piece of crap, and low price was the only thing it had going for it.
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Its turning into the VDJ79 of 4x4s. |
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Keep in mind that VW paid Ford to provide this option but limited to ~$80K Adventura Ford has done a great job with diesel Ranger and Everest, Ranger Raptor too and because of that, I defer to their judgement on what they will and won’t add to the Aussie range. Nice to have has never worked as a business case but I’m hoping there’s a way to slip a few EBs into the range.. |
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It will be interesting to see how the GWM Cannon Alpha hybrid goes. Bigger than a Ranger, 255kW and 648Nm prices at $65k on road.
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I wonder how many VW are selling of the 2.3? I'd agree with you with Raptor being a commercial vehicle success story. There are so many little things that annoy me being a private buyer though. No memory seats other than on the Platinum. Blue paint not being offered on the Platinum grade Gotta go full Raptor for a Petrol engine Few more things but these do annoy me.
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How many Amaroks are being sold? Seeing heaps on the road.
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Should Ford do it? They don't really need to... 5600 Rangers sold a month, 2400 Everests without it. A base XL/XLS hi rider 4x2 with it could be interesting, even an XL/XLS 4x4 which may bring the price of entry down from the diesel variant....
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If I had a Ranger wish list, it would be;
2.3 EB low-rider 4x2 Extra/Space Cab maybe offered in XL/XLT/Wildtrak trims. I'd buy one in Wildtrak trim - depending on price of course. |
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Shame really. I'm going to go to our local VW dealer. Getting tired waiting for the Raptor.
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I was at a Ford dealer (Warwick, Qld) on Saturday, and they had about 7 Raptors for sale. I did ask him why so many. He said that due to shortage v6 diesel engines they increased the production of the Raptor(believe or not).
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Story I got was that a lot of speculators from last year, looking for the flip, have walked away from their deposits with the market softening
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- 4x2 Single Cab - Factory integrated electric brakes - Vinyl floors - Electric windows - 6sp or 10sp auto |
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I'd be calling my dealer instantly if Ford had the balls to do a 2.3 EcoBoost single cab, I so over diesel engines.
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It makes ZERO sense why we still use small displacement diesel engines in LCVs or SUVs when you've got turbo unleaded engines which come on peak torque earlier, hold it way longer and cost less to maintain with more reliability - look at Ford Ecoboost product range, the things come on peak torque at 1500 RPM. Yeah there's a penalty on fuel usage because of the lower energy density of unleaded vs diesel and some efficiency because of the lower compression ratio - however you can take out some of the sting with hybrids. The only thing diesel should be used for is medium and heavy commercial vehicles, boats/ships and that sort of thing where they're actually worked like a diesel engine wants, and you know you have torque figures that are four figures and start at off idle. You* using it to drive to the shops or do the school run isn't what a diesel engine wants. I think this is where the US has it right is that their LCV and passenger vehicle customers hate diesel engines and rightfully so, especially the shit we've had since Euro IV which was the start of the downfall. *You as in generalisation of the average Thailand Special owner. Add to my list 16" interceptors, don't want alloy wheels for what I do to my ute. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 05-05-2024 at 11:39 PM. |
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I'd argue all modern diesels are garbage.
EGR, DPF, adblue have made them all a ticking time bomb. And with all that they still pollute more particulates and NOx than an old petrol engine.
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The argument for diesel has always been the torque, but modern turbo engines do that too. As for the 2.2 I have, that torque is only available at 1800 revs and nowhere else, it's got nothing up to that point, nothing after it. So its sh.t to drive, noisy when you need to rev it out and painfully slow everywhere, downright dangerous in some situations. The engine in that vehicle lets the whole show down, I'm otherwise very happy with the thing.
Apparently the above is what customers want.
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However the $7000 price rise on them from $26K DA to $33K DA is a bit rich. |
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A good comparison might be a TD42 and 1HZ against an E series SOHC. Even in turbo form those diesels are average in torque. 24v 1hdt and FTE with intercooler are ok. Put that gearing behind a Falcon 4.0 and there will be no traction in the first three gears in the dry. Diesel only got good around turn of the century Mercedes 3.2 and BMW 3.0 160kw and 500nm which shat on the alternative 6 and 8 cylinder petrol engines in economy and real world performance and only using EGR for emissions control. Franco, why not a Falcon Ute? |
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