Engineering a turbo for road use...

[Sorted]

me either lets move on

[eb91xr6]

just tell the cops its stock, we got pulled over in my mates EA and its stock, and the cop looks under the bonet and says nice extractors, i lol i told him its the intake manifold, wow did he have nothing to say, told us to have a good night and left,

[BPXR6T]

PM Turbo Taxi. I know he had his engineered in QLD. Different rules no doubt but he may be able to give some general tips. There's a thread around somewhere with some good info. Down in the turbo section I think.

Personally I'm going sleeper in the hope of slipping under the radar for a while. But I will get engineered at some point before I go crazy with big boost. If my uncle can get a blown rod rego'd I'm sure I can get a 200rwkw family sedan rego'd.

[ROOSTA]

eb91xr6.. I am just not willing to take that chance.. i have had lots of fines in the past.. plus i would much rather not rely on the stupidity of coppers..

FourBarrell.. I have read that thread already but only a small amount of it is same as victoria.. they appear to be quite strict on modifications..

EFFALCON.. Any idea where the Emissions testing gets done at???

Cheers,
Nik

[EFFalcon]

i'm fairly sure most emmisions testing is done at car manufacturers.
ie. Toyota, Ford etc.
I spoke to someone with a TUrbo VP that is legal, his was emmisions tested at Toyota.

[ebs_4l]

Originally Posted by eb91xr6

move to sa and your all sweet

please explain???

[EFFalcon]

i'm fairly sure he's reffering the P plater driving turbo law.

as SA is very similar to Vic with engineering etc as far as i'm aware.

[castek]

the new p plater laws for vic arent in effect till next july.

[dansedgli]

A place called VIPAC does emission testing as well. I think they are one of the more expensive places.

[BLSTIC]

i have no idea what you can do about getting it legal, except when you build it, dont polish anything. If you can get it to look as factory as possible, people tend to look less into it.

but what is with the atmospheric BOV's being illegal? On a 6cyl falcon there is no air-flow meter to be confused by it, all measurements are taken in the manifold (after the bov)...

cya
Ben

[Mr_4.0]

im pretty sure that apart from actually car comepany's (ford, holden ect) there is only one place that does a full emissions/pollution test. its in melb. i got a list of places that do decibel testing and emissions tests when i got my last EPA notice.

[EFFalcon]

Originally Posted by BLSTIC

but what is with the atmospheric BOV's being illegal? On a 6cyl falcon there is no air-flow meter to be confused by it, all measurements are taken in the manifold (after the bov)...

cya
Ben

the crank case vent should be reconnected to before the turbo, you'll essentially be venting that air.

[CaRtZ]

Originally Posted by 1tufel

the new p plater laws for vic arent in effect till next july.

true however it has been illegal for p-platers to drive turbo's or charged cars for about 3 or 4 yrs. the new laws will include no v8's or selected high powered 6's. the vicroads site isn't very specific but the high powered vehicle law which is currently allowing 125kw per tare tonne will be reduced to an unknown ammount. some of the laws came in on the 1st july this yr.

[Christiaan]

In all seriousness, I'd look at a cheap BA XR6T. So much less hassle buying a complianced car ..

[RavenLS1]

Originally Posted by CaRtZ

yeah but straight BOV's emmit gas into the atmosphere which is illigal is more wot i meant and anything with a turbo is illegal for p's. XR6T....forget it!
and yeah the 2JZ is an easy change over but it 360rwkw and the car's tare is a bit over a tonne which equals high powered vehicle. and he isnt gunna plumb back the BOV. it already has 19" chromies, 80mm ride hight, 5 12" subwoofers @ 145dB and "P"ull me over plates. COP BAIT ANYONE?!?

havent seen a mobile dyno have you????

[CaRtZ]

no but if they impound it on the suspicion that its too much they could find one in 48hrs. doubt they would do it but still... it's the law which is wot this thread is about, legality.

[BPXR6T]

Originally Posted by BLSTIC

i have no idea what you can do about getting it legal, except when you build it, dont polish anything. If you can get it to look as factory as possible, people tend to look less into it.

Yeah, I kind of lost out there. I opened my turbo kit and my turbo, manifold, dump and screamer pipes are all highly polished. Maybe the rest of my car looking like a family ****box with balance things out. ;)

[EFFalcon]

You're very uninformed CaRtZ.

it is legal for a P plater to drive a turbo car, how ever it has to be under the requried power/weight ratio.

they can also NOT get you for power/weight ratio for the cars modified power figure.
for instance, a p plater can drive an EL II XR8 as its under the power/weight rule, even if its worked to have 250rwkw, its still legal for that owner to drive.
they will not put the car on a dyno to prove anything.

[sven]

back to the induction point: you can have one intake modification on your car so if you put on your cooler you cant have a pod (just use a high flow panel filter and you'll be fine)

and as john just said they take the power/weight from the cars stock form thats why so many people have seriously quick VLT's (though they get done for illegal mods not power/weight issues).

[ROOSTA]

Well looks like i might be moving back to mum and dads place in NSW.. Works out fairly cheap in comparison and then just transfer it back to VIC after a bit..

Seems like the hard way to do things but the turbo setup is going to cost me less than $1500 fitted so i can't justify adding $3000+ just for legalities..

Cheers for all the replies guys,
Nik

[FRDXR6]

Might want to make sure 110% with Vicroads that they will accept a NSW engineering certificate (even get in writing). As i was just reading another forum where a guy bought a car engineered in SA and when he went to register it here Vicroads told him to come back when he has a Victorian engineers certificate!

[EFFalcon]

there is one engineer in NSW that is vic roads approved.
so perhaps consider using him.

[ROOSTA]

Yer.. i am going to do a hell of a lot of research before i go ahead with it..

Cheers,
Nik

[SVT8]

Originally Posted by CaRtZ

true however it has been illegal for p-platers to drive turbo's or charged cars for about 3 or 4 yrs. the new laws will include no v8's or selected high powered 6's. the vicroads site isn't very specific but the high powered vehicle law which is currently allowing 125kw per tare tonne will be reduced to an unknown ammount. some of the laws came in on the 1st july this yr.

i heard that people already with v8 on there p's now are ok? is it true?

[sven]

yeah its true. the new laws are only for people getting their p's not for those who already have them.

[Sorted]

Can you add an intercooler to an EA to EL without cutting away any of the bumper or body? Is it possible?

[EFFalcon]

EF/EL you can get away with very little cutting.
but u gotta do something for the piping

EA-ED depends on intercooler size and how keen you are to keep aircon

[CaRtZ]

Originally Posted by SVT8

i heard that people already with v8 on there p's now are ok? is it true?

yeah sorta. as i said i can't find specifics. id be careful and calculate ur kw's per tonne. i can't remeber how to do it. does anyone know the rule?

[EFFalcon]

125kw per tonne

[FRDXR6]

Originally Posted by SVT8

i heard that people already with v8 on there p's now are ok? is it true?

Im led to beleive that under the new law those whose cars (any turbo or V8) that are already registered under their name are exempt from the laws due to the hardship that would be placed on so many people having to sell their cars and buy new ones for a law that wasn't known to them when they first purchased their car.

Originally Posted by Cartz

yeah sorta. as i said i can't find specifics. id be careful and calculate ur kw's per tonne. i can't remeber how to do it. does anyone know the rule?

Im fairly sure all e-series Falcon V8's are under the 125kw/tonne limit. Most are only 165kw or so and weigh more than their I6 counterparts so they will easily be under the 125kw/tonne rule.