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From the article: "The Mustang Mach-E now starts from $64,990 plus on-road costs – some $15,000 less than the car’s launch price last year. That’s an $8000 cut from revised pricing that made the car more attractive in December last year."
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Only a few days and we should see sales figures for May….
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When Ford US says .."this year we spent $USDXX Billion on all costs associated for the EV side of the business which includes all the capital costs for EV assembly plants, battery factories, R&D etc"...then they will never make a nett profit from the total vehicle sales until those sales numbers surpass ICE sales......but if you only look at the specific actual build cost per unit and remove this from the final retail price then yes they make some profit...it's how you do your accounting...
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At the moment, our RHD models are based on versions supplied in RHD to UK,
the original RRP was based on the UK price converted so I would think that Ford Canada pricing is more $ for $ aligned with what we are or should be paying… https://www.ford.ca/suvs/mach-e/ Our market is also small and still has unique ADRs that may be adding to the cost of a straight European spec vehicle |
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Yeah, they're going to call it The Falcon
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Carsales ran article on it recently: https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...ration-145976/
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Everybody fiddles when it comes to internal costs.
Going back 40 years ago (when I was a young tradie in the field), we had a clerk in the office who would keep track off all of our job numbers and the cost centres we were were booking to. A capital project was finished under budget??? The word would come down from the supervisors to book to "this" job number for the next few weeks. Subsequently, less bookings to the local cost centre. Result, we are running under budget because we do a darn good job. Opps, an upgrade project was running over budget??? No problems, lay off against this sundries job number. And so it went. I am not sure of how Ford tracks its internal costs these days ... but there is a practice with some US companies for a percentage of staff to be almost "free agents" who go around looking for internal work to "help with", and then book their time to. They are really like profit leaches. And one is always on the lookout to make sure they are not booking time to your cost centre. Always, always, take internal profit numbers with a bag or two of salt. |
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Update: story from Europe and petrol is back in fashion
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...lf-as-electric
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I thought I read somewhere that some Ford bosses now admit cancelling high-volume low-margin vehicles probably wasn't the best decision... |
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FORD CEO JIM FARLEY SAYS COMPANY LOST BILLIONS ON SEDANS https://fordauthority.com/2024/06/fo.../#&gid=1&pid=1 I’d love to know exactly which cars lost Ford billions, maybe a lot of cash down the gurgler on developing CD4 Lincoln MKZ, Continental, Taurus? But then, Farley says sedans have aero advantage.. https://www.hagerty.com/media/lists/...33567fec781301 Also, Farley extolling the virtues and benefits of owning BEVs Confessions From a Lifelong Petrol Head—I Love Electric Vehicles And It Has Nothing To Do With Politics by Jim Farley https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/confe...-farley-fc81e/ “The tipping point we’re working toward will come not from regulators who push us or from politicians who try to hold us back. It will come from consumers. Not when an arbitrary market share is reached, but when electric vehicles are simply better for more customers – better to drive, cheaper to own, and easier to integrate into daily life. This is the reality for millions already. “ The truest thing that can be said is that buyers will make up their own minds and not be forced into a vehicle they’re not comfortable with… |
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A Ford salesman said the same thing to me 5 weeks ago when I said that Ford had become the Ranger and Everest company.
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All i can see it doing is playing further into the hands of Tesla and the Chinese companies (BYD etc). When these OEM's start the electric again, they'll even further behind and require major public help or have to shut down. |
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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/1...urope-00119400
Here's one article. You can add the French to that list now as well. The EU had to change the regulations regarding sales of vehicles or other country's would have followed the UK, like that has worked well for them Lol |
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Generally, Euro consumers are pushing back against what they see as the inconvenience of owning an EV,
the time taken to charge vehicles in public places may also expose women to dangerous situation day or night, you can’t quickly stop charging and leave…. Another issue for European owners is that many live in apartments where home/ off street charging isn’t possible so many of those owners are compelled to pay for public charging electricity which can spike in price depending on the time of day or higher flow rates. Most of the above have been discussed before but people experiencing problems first hand, telling their friends or posting on social media also sends back real world feedback that undoes a lot of the positive messaging. |
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All the new houses only have 40A main circuit breakers on them around where I live, and especially in the older part of town where they've allowed subdivisions into 1200m2 lot sizes,
You can have 40A and that's it, So don't charge your EV at 32A single phase and try use the kettle or your oven at the same time ![]() Mind you, can stagger your energy usage, charge the EV between 12AM-6AM, where you're not likely to try use the kettle at the same time but all the older houses have 63A and can go to 80A which gives you a bit more freedom to do other things while charging the EV. The power infrastructure in town is a joke, the pizza shop can't put in another pizza oven because the street level infrastructure can't deal with it, so they've just been flat out told no, deal with it. The new pub was running on a diesel generator for 6 months before power company hooked them up to the street, We can't have public access EV chargers either until the street infrastructure is upgraded. |
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I don’t understand the obsession with BEVs before better batteries are available,
it just seems like regulators are forcing people to buy inefficient and compromised designs just because someone has made an unreasonable legislative edict. Europe has made massive change to its power generation and now has around 50% renewable energy, something that will improve more quickly than rolling out Battery Electric vehicles. They should take the win and devise a better plan with HEVs, PHEVs and extended range EVs until the grid is developed enough for mass adoption of BEVs. (End of rant) |
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Average Australian only does 12,000km/year, which is about 230km/week and they do 400-500km on a charge. I do over 30,000km/year and I could make a BEV work no dramas, just need to charge it every night to be safe and thats no different to my phones so I don't see a problem there. |
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![]() We're sitting on 130 years reserves worth of lithium as we sit, with the stuff we already know about. Australia, Afghanistan and Chile have some of the worlds largest reserves of lithium globally. Battery technology as it sits is already more than adequate for Australians and their vehicle usages of 12,000km/year. |
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Are we compelling battery suppliers to take back their products at end of life and recycle?
There’s always the fear that the cost of recycling is more expensive than mining new Lithium. |
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Personally, I don't give a shit about the environment, and either do you or anyone else here on AFF trying to justify supporting the Middle East and their vast oil reserves. What I like about BEVs is: - Instant power and torque the moment you put your foot on the accelerator - No 10,000km servicing (15,000km and above service intervals on internal combustion engines are communist propaganda) - Cuts off funding to the Middle East helping them disappear quicker |
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Also, Lithium is not environmentally friendly in batteries, short term solution atm. Last edited by Itsme; 07-07-2024 at 11:21 PM. |
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