Highway Patrol Option Post VF, FG

[zilo]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

What about getting to a scene of an accident? If the cop can get there 1min faster he might be able to drag someone out of a burning car before they die a firey death...

From what I see of them they spend alot of time heading out to accidents on a main highway near me, not chasing hoons.

LOL...a HWP risking himself to pull someone out of a wreck?

Not bloody likely mate...unless there's some demerit points in it.

It's always the same story...the chase was called off just before the crash....about 30 milliseconds beforehand....

Ask any paramedic about how useless a HWP is at a scene.

Directing traffic is about it.

I don't care what so called credentials they are given, 160km pursuits in the suburbs are just plain stupid....the crack head they are pursuing isn't an excuse cause the harder they pursue the harder the idiots drive to get away, better to use your head than the accelerator pedal I say.

By giving the HWP supercars is endorsing the pursue at all costs culture.

That's my opinion.

[Morry]

I've been talking to my local police Sgt about this issue and he said that Qld will be using the Mustang as part of their Highway patrol fleet.

[duaned]

I may have to break the law to check one of these out when they arrive in QLD.

[XR5]

Originally Posted by xxx000

HWP cars still come up at the auctions in NSW

I'm not aware of a change to leased vehicles

Yeah, they will still go to auction, but no longer bought out of ex govt auctions like they used to be. Once they return to the regular market they are treated as per any other vehicle. Auctioned, bought by dealers etc etc.

Don't ever buy one though. Trust me.

[XR5]

Originally Posted by zilo

LOL...a HWP risking himself to pull someone out of a wreck?

Not bloody likely mate...unless there's some demerit points in it.

It's always the same story...the chase was called off just before the crash....about 30 milliseconds beforehand....

Ask any paramedic about how useless a HWP is at a scene.

Directing traffic is about it.

I don't care what so called credentials they are given, 160km pursuits in the suburbs are just plain stupid....the crack head they are pursuing isn't an excuse cause the harder they pursue the harder the idiots drive to get away, better to use your head than the accelerator pedal I say.

By giving the HWP supercars is endorsing the pursue at all costs culture.

That's my opinion.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Yours is ill informed and wrong but hey, there you go. Copped a few blisters in your time hey. Try going to a few fatals and persons trapped prangs and see how you handle it. Been to more paramedic crashes on urgent duty than I have police on urgent duty crashes.

As far as so called credentials go, they can drive the butt off of most of the general population. Granted for every decent HWP copper out there there is one idiot one but, your statement is still ill informed and typical of a keyboard critic.

[malazn mafia]

Bikes. Put all HWP officers on bikes. No getting away from a bike.

[blk6t]

Originally Posted by zilo

By giving the HWP supercars is endorsing the pursue at all costs culture.

I don't agree with that, drivers who want to evade the Police will attempt to regardless of what car the Police are driving...current HWP cars, at least in NSW have presence on the streets and to the average driver, they appear menacing, very quick and not worth trying to evade.

If NSW HWP do start using the Mustang, that will at least keep that menacing presence on the roads.

By the way I don't mean the Police menace people, more trying to say the HWP cars are intimidating...

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by zilo

LOL...a HWP risking himself to pull someone out of a wreck?

Not bloody likely mate...unless there's some demerit points in it.

Obviously you've never listened to Police Radio communications. Get back on the mainland, go buy a scanner and see how quick you change your mind.

Originally Posted by zilo

It's always the same story...the chase was called off just before the crash....about 30 milliseconds beforehand....

see the reply above, pursuits are VERY closely monitored by the radio room. With Mr Plod having to report location, road conditions, traffic conditions, speed and weather about every 30 seconds.

Originally Posted by zilo

Ask any paramedic about how useless a HWP is at a scene.
Directing traffic is about it.

and they're supposed to do what else ?

Originally Posted by zilo

I don't care what so called credentials they are given, 160km pursuits in the suburbs are just plain stupid....the crack head they are pursuing isn't an excuse cause the harder they pursue the harder the idiots drive to get away, better to use your head than the accelerator pedal I say.

Yep, no pursuits....if someone commits a major crime against you, just let them cruise off into the sunset.

Originally Posted by zilo

By giving the HWP supercars is endorsing the pursue at all costs culture.

I'm sure most Police forces in the civilised world would agree with you

I'm not a HP lover (42 years of driving interstate I'm anything but) but give credit where credit's due and lets not turn this into a Cop bashing thread

[XR5]

Sorry if my last reply seemed a bit catty. Having a ***** of a day.

[XR5]

Back on topic how cool is a mustang going to look all marked up, especially in some of the Hi Vis markings some of the coppers are using these days

[timeout]

Originally Posted by BlueOvalPrint

Polestar modded Volvo S60 already under evaluation in the ACT: http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2015...ed-volvo-48851

Volvos have been very popular with police in the UK and Europe for years...

looks good power is back to ba/ bf xr6t levels.

the stangs will be cool. we have been spoilt for choice and power over the last decade.

[blk6t]

Would be cool to see someone photo shop the NSW HWP livery on a new stang

[1TUFFUTE]

My first thought was mustang. Seems the most obvious.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by blk6t

Would be cool to see someone photo shop the NSW HWP livery on a new stang

here it is

[Road_Warrior]

A 2 door car isnt an ideal situation if you apprehend a crim and you need to put him somewhere. You don't always have a GD van just around the corner waiting for you to pinch someone, Police cars need to be versatile, user friendly, durable and help you do the job, not hinder you.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Obviously you've never listened to Police Radio communications. Get back on the mainland, go buy a scanner and see how quick you change your mind.

Errr..let me know which scanner you think still works in Vic...

Originally Posted by GasOLane

see the reply above, pursuits are VERY closely monitored by the radio room. With Mr Plod having to report location, road conditions, traffic conditions, speed and weather about every 30 seconds.
and they're supposed to do what else ?

Reply comment was based on the assertion that they pull people out of wrecks.

Maybe they do in your state, but not any of mine (Tas,VIC,SA)

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Yep, no pursuits....if someone commits a major crime against you, just let them cruise off into the sunset.

You mean when someone goes 2km/h over the limit ?

I live in Vic mate, not the most professional mob by any means and certainly have the runs on the board for drawing their weapons.

[1TUFFUTE]

Actually around my way they use those Yamaha offroad four wheeler buggies around town as police vehicles. (Obviously great access too malls, footpaths and little one way streets and so on) I wondered how they pass the safety requirements on the road
Edit....not that I've seen any of them anywhere but on the road but I assume they're cheap and small so they are used. And u can't put crims in the back of them either!

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by duaned

I may have to break the law to check one of these out when they arrive in QLD.

Business as usual for me

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by zilo

Errr..let me know which scanner you think still works in Vic...

Uniden UBCD396XT

http://www.uniden.com.au/australia/p...96xt_index.asp

[Ratmick]

Originally Posted by zilo

Errr..let me know which scanner you think still works in Vic.

Umm this one: http://www.uniden.com.au/australia/p...96xt_index.asp

Picks up Police in all regions in country Vic, I can get both sides of a conversation as clear as a bell from coppers all up the Calder to Bendigo. Radio traffic is meant to be encrypted in Melbourne and Sydney but I was getting police traffic in Melbourne on Monday from the train on the way home, along with the guys on the railroad frequencies. Surprisingly most of the Police traffic is pretty mundane, rego checks, license checks, domestic violence...

I actually bought it for the CFA frequencies, the area I live moved over to digital mid-last year, but I seeem to have missed that email

[Ratmick]

For what it's worth the one I have isn't the only scanner capable of picking up digital transmissions, but it's one of the cheapest and best. Plus it still picks up the old analogue channels too, which is an added bonus.

Uniden make quite a few P25-capable scanners, and there a few other manufacturers out there. If I was a truck driver (alas I just drive a desk in IT) I'd have one in the cab as they are a great piece of gear, plus you can buy a remote head unit for the one I listed so you can use it on the move.

There's also the Uniden BCD436HP and BCD996XT but the last one is more of a desktop unit.

...of course the question remains what do I do with a perfectly good but useless analogue scanner

[wozman]

I have the police scanner app on my iPhone

[Ratmick]

Originally Posted by zilo

I live in Vic mate, not the most professional mob by any means and certainly have the runs on the board for drawing their weapons.

It's easy for people to criticise the Police as they're very visible and they're in uniform. They're also on the news virtually evening night, and yes they shoot people.

However if you are faced with a knife-wielding crack-head keep in mind if they charge you from within 20' it's been proven that they will stab you before you manage to bring your sidearm to bear on them. So if you're within 22' of a copper and you have a knife you're living on borrowed time.

Tueller Drill

The Police are also taught to shoot at the centre of mass of the target, so they aren't going to be nice like they are in Hollywood and shoot you in your non-favoured leg, or shoot the knife out of your hand, you going to get a large-calibre handgun projectile in the middle of your abdomen. That will take you down, and there's enough mass there to stop the bullet exiting and hitting someone behind them.

Unfortunately most of your vital organs are also in the middle of your abdomen, small arms are inherently inaccurate, and both the attacker and defender are rarely stationary, hence there is no margin for error.

Really if you don't want to get shot don't be stupid around a Policeman with a loaded firearm...it's not a hard concept.

Personally as a father (and grandfather) and bread-winner of my family if I was a Policeman and I was in that situation I would not hang around to get stabbed by some wild-eyed meth addict, I would put a .357 round into your chest...and then fill out the paperwork and undergo some counselling.

It's a hard job, not many people could do what they do every single day.

[Ratmick]

My scanner monitoring Police frequencies may be...limited in scope:

Media Release - Wednesday 21 January 2015

Safe Radios A Step Closer For Country Police

The Andrews Labor Government’s promise to replace outdated and unsafe police radios is a step closer today with the Minister for Police Wade Noonan announcing talks had begun with Victoria Police to replace the old system.

Country police, whose safety is being compromised by outdated police radios that let members of the public listen in to their operations, will be provided new digital radios to replace the analogue system that plagued them during the previous Coalition Government.

Mr Noonan today visited the Sale Police Station, where he last year learned first-hand the risks country police face.

After that visit, Mr Noonan was shocked to discover more than 9000 people had listened to a police pursuit via a smartphone app and scanners.

The Labor Government has promised $10 million to deliver the new digital system, which will include in-car, mobile and portable radios with a secure and encrypted network.

Mr Noonan was visiting the Sale Police Station to see the local force’s current radio system as part of a visit to Gippsland police and corrections centres.

Quotes attributable to Minister for Police, Wade Noonan

“It was in Sale that I first learned from the local police officers how critical this problem is for them.”

“That is why these visits matter, so I can learn from the police on the ground the issues that are important to them.’’

“The previous Coalition Government would not listen to the concerns of country police. The Andrews Labor Government will eliminate this major risk for police.’’

Quotes attributable to Member for Eastern Victoria, Harriet Shing

“Criminals are listening into police radios and police operations. This is compromising the safety of our police and our capacity to catch criminals.’’

“We can’t have criminals using more sophisticated communications than our police officers.’’

Read more: http://vicradiozone.boards.net/threa...#ixzz3RctTdUTO

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Ratmick

The Police are also taught to shoot at the centre of mass of the target, so they aren't going to be nice like they are in Hollywood and shoot you in your non-favoured leg, or shoot the knife out of your hand, you going to get a large-calibre handgun projectile in the middle of your abdomen. That will take you down, and there's enough mass there to stop the bullet exiting and hitting someone behind them.

Unfortunately most of your vital organs are also in the middle of your abdomen, small arms are inherently inaccurate, and both the attacker and defender are rarely stationary, hence there is no margin for error. .

My thoughts exactly, the deficiencies are in the training and choice of equipment they are given.

Crushing an ant with a sledge hammer comes to mind.

Originally Posted by Ratmick

Personally as a father (and grandfather) and bread-winner of my family if I was a Policeman and I was in that situation I would not hang around to get stabbed by some wild-eyed meth addict, I would put a .357 round into your chest...and then fill out the paperwork and undergo some counselling.
.

Luckily for us you would fail the attitude test before recruitment...

[Ratmick]

Originally Posted by zilo

My thoughts exactly, the deficiencies are in the training and choice of equipment they are given.

Crushing an ant with a sledge hammer comes to mind.

Luckily for us you would fail the attitude test before recruitment...

Luckily for us you've clearly got nfi about anything, especially firearms training

As for the attitude test quip, bwhahahaha ooh that hurt .

I hope you someday come up against a meth addict with a knife that wants your wallet. I just hope your family (if you have one) isn't unlucky enough to be with you...or if they are they have a copper with a gun to protect them while you try and get out of having an extra orifice sliced into you by reasoning with the guy that just wants money for a fix...

...or maybe you're just a fast runner.

[CoupeKing]

I can see the Herald headlines in 2028.... 'Latest Veyron gets immobilised and apprehended by Atomic-powered Drone'

[GK]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Problem is they buy the SS and XR6Ts at heavily discounted fleet rates, any other performance car wont be able to be bought at such low prices.

I suspect it will be end of hi-po highway patrol cars.

Dear God, lets hope and pray they don't all go Vauxhall diesel Astras like on 'The Bill!'

GK

[08FGXR8]

There's a fair few Toyota Aurions and Camry's getting around as police cars, perhaps if post 2017 Toyota imports either a V6 Camry or imports another large car to replace the Aurion that might be one way the Police go.

[malazn mafia]

Shhhhhhhhh... hwp are already on bikes. Don't want to see what happens when they decide to get too friendly with a b-double or pull over a car with serious braking power *cough