Power ban on young drivers - QLD

[Venomous]

Originally Posted by XR8fella

Yes, i gather because its for people getting there licence, not applying to those who have their licence already.

When that law came in to NSW a while back my wife was on her P's, and she has an AU XR8, she was not liking the thought of having to sell it and get a 4 or 6 cyl , but she already had her licence, so it was fine

Lol yeah, the crappy thing is though i dont get my P's until september.
I have my car and all but yeah.
So now sure what will happen

[xr8-200]

Maybe they powers that be should look at it differently..... most accidents involving P platers are in realivly cheap cars. You dont see many expensive cars driven by P platers in crashes. How about they put a ban on P platers driving cars that are under $30,000 in value....

[67RCE]

I got my licence in a new Mini Cooper S, yes it was a driving school car, yes i got it in Qld. i started off driving a Mazda 323, and then after about 15months with that i then got my ED XR6, big upgrade, but my parents have Falcons aswell, so i knew what they drove like, Turbo cars are far too easily available and modifyable, which is what drives kids to get them, luckily i was bought up around older cars, and i actually respect my car, know my limits and dont drive near them

[StookEB]

I agree that they shouldn't drive hi-powered cars, but it's the crappy old cars that are killing people. The p-plater death rate has doubled because of these laws. They are doing the same in an older car but have to try harder to do it. Hoons will always do stupid stuff they just need more training. TRAINING is the key. Why not have a driving day like with the bikes, they will pay attention when it's $200 bucks each time to do it.
They will still do it but they may know how to control it this time.

[fmc351]

i know education can teach. Its not simply education though. You dont think some of these kids who do these driver training courses will now feel more convinced of their abilities?

If the car can do 100, its capable of killing them. If they t-bone someone at 60, its likely someones going to die. I can do 60 on a push bike (maybe). Power limits are a start, education another step, attitude adjustment is key though. Too much focus on cars abilities, drivers abilities, and a complete disregard for the fact its a public road, where the unexpected happens continuously.

The problem is attitudes. I have no idea how to fix that in the population, Im damn sure governments cant no matter how much serious effort they put into it. I know how to try with my own though.

Originally Posted by 30487256

Don't forget that many of these new hi-powered cars come with features such as DSC, traction control, numerous airbags, ABS. They are acutally much safer that many of the older 'less powerful' cars.

What about the kiddy on the school crossing they hit? Or the family they plough into? youre airbags wont help them.

Like I said, attitudes, there are other people in this issue.

[smiley]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

The point people don't seem to grasp about powerful cars is not the speed but the acceleration, a stock 6 cylinder falcon will not do a U turn in the dry if given a boot full, whereas a Hypo V8 or turbo can create all sorts of situations in the dry, i don't even try do drive my coupe in the wet, it's scary.

im not sure what you mean by not do a u-turn my BA and especially my old EA I6 would be into the pole if I gave it full boot around a u-turn.

[Interceptor]

the part that makes me laugh is that one of the restrictions is that engine modifications that require approval from Queensland Transport arent allowed for P platers...... now, i dont know about you, but IMO it's pretty damned easy to get decent power without going anywhere near things that will require approval......

[Polyal]

Ive had my say in that other thread so ill try and keep it short, but for those who are crying about get over yourself.

There are plenty of chumps that should not have their license full stop. And these are the people that get the V8 or turbo or whatever.

While they will still be idiots, at least the harm/risk is minimized.

Its only for a few years while you are on your P's, big deal.

[XR6_661]

Doesn't worry me one bit...The rule won't apply to me :-)

[Pedro]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I'm over hearing the same pathetic ways the governments and police are trying to reduce the road toll. The only way to do it is proper driver training before you get your P's. They know it too but don't want to spend a cent on it as it would be rather expensive. They will only do things that will cost them next to nothing and will make the government money through fines like greed cameras.

I'm with you Bossxr8, we all know this is a big part of the solution, motoring writers and most people with half a brain keep saying this. The governments must surely know this but seems it's not a vote catcher to the dumbed down masses who believe the government's advertising that speed cameras save lives. I don't know how the various government ministers responsible, sleep at night with all that blood on their hands.

[4Vman]

Driver training or driver education is totally pointless if the driver's ATTITUDE to safe driving is the issue.
No single initiative will solve the problem, however the introduction of Power restrictions say to me that the authorities have possibly resigned themselves to the fact that all the training and education in the world is totally useless if the drivers behave like idiots behind the wheel.. In otherwords they're legislating to protect the innocent from the fools.

Remember this stat:

"Young drivers behind the wheel of eight-cylinder cars involved in crashes in Queensland from 2001-2005 were twice as likely to be driving with excessive speed – 11.5 per cent – when compared with young drivers in cars with less than eight cylinders – 5.6 per cent," Mr Lucas said.

Speaks volumes doesnt it, if power isnt an issue with speed and accidents then why is this stat such a glaring standout???

[Interceptor]

i wonder how much those figures would change if they removed the statistics for all those airhead P-plater girls in festivas, excels, etc like that who cant drive to save thier *********g lives around town?

sexist i know, but those girls scare the hell outta me

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Interceptor

i wonder how much those figures would change if they removed the statistics for all those airhead P-plater girls in festivas, excels, etc like that who cant drive to save thier *********g lives around town?

sexist i know, but those girls scare the hell outta me

According to the stat above they're clearly not the issue, hypothetically if you removed the "4cyl girl driver" % from the stats it would make the V8 drivers look even worse....

[Bill_R]

Originally Posted by XR8fella

When that law came in to NSW a while back my wife was on her P's, and she has an AU XR8, she was not liking the thought of having to sell it and get a 4 or 6 cyl , but she already had her licence, so it was fine

I don't think the exemption applies to the license but instead to whether the P-plater owned the car or not at teh cut-off date. She owned the car when the rule came in so was ok.

[Ford_Boy]

i would rather be in a falcon doing 100 and hitting a pole then a pulsar hitting a pole. yes, in both cars you are likely to die but the falcon driver has a bigger chance of survival when you compare its size. being hit from side on in a pulsar will have little chance compared to a falcon.
there are older v8s that are slower then some newer 6s.
people who say that driver training wont help are generally the people who have not had driver training. my dad did his fpv driving course and said he learnt so much from it and feels confindent enough to avoid certain accidents. we need training like this.

i'll admit this topic is done to death and people will continue to say get over it but those people are the people who had the option on driving whatever car they can afford.

if someone is going to speed then they will. i would like to see the statistics to how many accidents have occured since this law has come out. is it alot more greater then when the law was not out? if not and the crashes have been close in comparrison then that will show that accidents are becoming more then accidents but they are becoming fatalities now.

if we let these laws pass then it only allows for more restrictions in the future. soon the government will restrict us to cars with 4 cylindas because 6s are too powerful or large. its getting beyond a joke. i think cars should be restricted to stock form. and hav no more then 200 kilowatts.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Ford_Boy

i would rather be in a falcon doing 100 and hitting a pole then a pulsar hitting a pole. yes, in both cars you are likely to die but the falcon driver has a bigger chance of survival when you compare its size. being hit from side on in a pulsar will have little chance compared to a falcon.
there are older v8s that are slower then some newer 6s.
people who say that driver training wont help are generally the people who have not had driver training. my dad did his fpv driving course and said he learnt so much from it and feels confindent enough to avoid certain accidents. we need training like this.

i'll admit this topic is done to death and people will continue to say get over it but those people are the people who had the option on driving whatever car they can afford.

if someone is going to speed then they will. i would like to see the statistics to how many accidents have occured since this law has come out. is it alot more greater then when the law was not out? if not and the crashes have been close in comparrison then that will show that accidents are becoming more then accidents but they are becoming fatalities now.

if we let these laws pass then it only allows for more restrictions in the future. soon the government will restrict us to cars with 4 cylindas because 6s are too powerful or large. its getting beyond a joke. i think cars should be restricted to stock form. and hav no more then 200 kilowatts.

I think you must have missed the stat:

"Young drivers behind the wheel of eight-cylinder cars involved in crashes in Queensland from 2001-2005 were twice as likely to be driving with excessive speed – 11.5 per cent – when compared with young drivers in cars with less than eight cylinders – 5.6 per cent," .

They're not talking about inexperience here, they're talking about reckless or dangerous driving behaviour as a contributing factor to causing these CRASHES.

[Ford_Boy]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I think you must have missed the stat:

"Young drivers behind the wheel of eight-cylinder cars involved in crashes in Queensland from 2001-2005 were twice as likely to be driving with excessive speed – 11.5 per cent – when compared with young drivers in cars with less than eight cylinders – 5.6 per cent," .

They're not talking about inexperience here, they're talking about reckless or dangerous driving behaviour as a contributing factor to causing these CRASHES.

so why is there suddenly twice as many p platers dieing in nsw since the law was introduced here? maybe people are more likley to speed in an 8 but that does not mean they are more likley to die speeding. when compared to the people in the 4 cylindas speeding.

statistics can be made to say lots of things. if there was 2 accidents by v8s and one of the accidents had the v8 driver over the speed limit then they could they that 50 percent of the accidents were caused by speeding.

i want ot see numbers of accidents and deaths. was there more accidents in 4 cylindas and did it result in more deaths?

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Ford_Boy

so why is there suddenly twice as many p platers dieing in nsw since the law was introduced here?

Do you know this as a FACT?
Do NSW P platers even comply with the new laws?

Originally Posted by Ford_Boy

maybe people are more likley to speed in an 8 but that does not mean they are more likley to die speeding. when compared to the people in the 4 cylindas speeding.

You're drawing a VERY long bow there..... the stat said twice as likely to be speeding when involved in a crash. STATISTICALLY excessive speed is either the number one or number two contributing factor involved in ALL road deaths.

Originally Posted by Ford_Boy

statistics can be made to say lots of things. if there was 2 accidents by v8s and one of the accidents had the v8 driver over the speed limit then they could they that 50 percent of the accidents were caused by speeding.

If someone is speeding when they crash they're braking the law, i don't know how anyone could say that speeding was NOT possibly a factor if they crashed, regardless of who's to "blame"..

Originally Posted by Ford_Boy

i want ot see numbers of accidents and deaths. was there more accidents in 4 cylindas and did it result in more deaths?

U25 and high powered cars has been a standout stat for years, the stats have been posted and highlighted in other threads, some are obviously still in denial and still can't accept them.

[benoxr]

This is the latest stats for South Aust. Which the Govt. and motoring organisations agree is “living Proof” that the system here works in reducing the P-Plater fatalities and the P-Platers involved in serious and fatal crashes. (which means the P-plater was involved in the fatal crash but wasn’t the person killed)

P-Plater in serious crashes
year 2004 – 155
2005 – 128
2006 - 119
P-plater fatal
2005 - 11
2006 - 4
P-plater involved
2005 – 19
2006 - 9
P-plater licence cancelled
2005 - 1623
2006 – 3667 (126% increase)

“The record number of P licence cancellations was linked to a dramatic fall in the number of P-Plate driver involved in crashes resulting in fatalities or serious injuries.
They say the younger drivers are usually over-represented in fatalities due to inexperience, peer pressure and reckless behaviour. The Graduated Licencing Scheme requires new drivers to gain more experience & skills under controlled conditions before they progress to a full licence. If a P-Plater is disqualified they can appeal and get the licence back to use for work purposes. If they get a 2nd disqualification, they cant appeal for 5yrs.” So basically, they are getting dangerous p-platers off the road, but no indication here that its only those in high powered cars.

[Ford_Boy]

U25 and high powered cars has been a standout stat for years, the stats have been posted and highlighted in other threads, some are obviously still in denial and still can't accept them.[/QUOTE]

most people are on thier full license by 22 so why only ban p platers? why not just everyone under 25?

[Interceptor]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

According to the stat above they're clearly not the issue, hypothetically if you removed the "4cyl girl driver" % from the stats it would make the V8 drivers look even worse....

not necessesarily, i'd say the majority of crashes from the "airhead 4cyl girl" population would be around town in situations where sheer stupidity and not speed would be to blame

[DanXR6T]

The original news article is crap - this has been public information on the Qld Transport website now for several months.

This is why I don't read newspapers or watch the news...