Opinions on daylight saving?

[Halfmo Rocks]

i can't stand daylight savings time...it's pointless. i wish i was still in brissy & not have to bother this the crap
beers after work still taste the same if it's light or dark.

[TS50]

Daylight Savings is wonderful
Down here in Tassie in the middle of summer its great to have daylight to about 9.30 pm
Finally can do things outside
ohh and it always seems warmer once daylight savings start

[HSE2]

Two weeks too early for mine

[irlewy86]

Originally Posted by flappist

None of you seem to like my winter time zone change. It would be great for us and I do not care if you freeze to death or have to drive around in the dark just like you do not care about us.......

I like it.

[DJL351]

Originally Posted by flappist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time

What do all the blue bits have in common?

Their proximity to their relevant poles. I understand and agree with your orginal point(s) to a degree. I was not trying to disprove your logic.

Originally Posted by flappist

Why should WE have to change our ways and inconvenience ourselves just so YOU can have some leasure time and you seem to find it difficult to work out what time to make interstate phone calls?

Ah yes - that old chestnut. Why should any of us doing anything that may assist/help others.... the modern attitude. Why should I work 40+ hours a week and barely afford to live when there are people out there living on welfare etc.
(a totally different discussion that will see this thread closed - so I will say no more on that tangent)

In WA, most people are aginst DLS for the simple fact that most of the East coast use it.
"Why should WA change just for the sake of the East" they say - I couldn't give a toss what the other side of the country are doing.

Originally Posted by flappist

None of you seem to like my winter time zone change. It would be great for us and I do not care if you freeze to death or have to drive around in the dark just like you do not care about us.......

Changing time zones in winter would have no effect on me.
Its pitch black when I get up, go to work and still is when I get home, so it would not matter.

[TS50]

The only time I thought it was maybe a tad early was 10 years ago when it started in September
Was a bit hard still having heavy frosts and such
But I think its perfect timing

[|||]

i love it. it gives me the chance every year to stir my QLD mates with the same joke:

Queensland: 1 hour (& 30 years) behind NSW & Victoria

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by cs123

I live in QLD but spend most of my work time in Sydney/Melbourne. From my experience it doesn't make a huge difference from a lifestyle perspective. If you want the extra hour at the end of the day, then start an hour earlier at work. Most people (office jobs) I work with in Sydney/Melbourne start at 9am, most QLD'ers start at 8am anyway.

Im with you. DLS is crap imo. I like my sleep. If I want an extra hour in the day, I'll get up earlier. I shouldn't have to be forced to. It should be a choice.

[Geez Louise]

I love DLS. It is great to be able to finish work and come home and there still be daylight to work on the car...have a bbq...go for a swim... It's all good

[TS50]

hmmm
Sometimes I do wonder if people realise that there is the excact same amount of daylight in a day, weather or not we have daylight savings

[DJL351]

Originally Posted by blueoval

Im with you. DLS is crap imo. I like my sleep. If I want an extra hour in the day, I'll get up earlier. I shouldn't have to be forced to. It should be a choice.

How does it impact your sleep? (other than the first day/night the clocks are changed)
If you sleep 8 hours a night, you can still sleep 8 hours during DLS too... ?????
(seriously, I have friends that have said this to me and I do not understand how it has an effect)

Another ploy used over here - if you want extra daylight, just get up earlier.
Great idea, if someone can get my employer to move their core hours to allow me to do that, then I will. However, it would have a knock on effect for all state schools in the state.

[entheos]

I love Dalylight Savings...but then I live in Sydney right smack bang in the middle of the line of the timezone so it suits us...I get that it's not for all cities...inner QLD, Perth, and I'm sure other cities around the country...they are all in the wrong spot in relation to the timezone for daylight savings to be functional...but in Sydney it's one of the things i look forward to every single year.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by DJL351

How does it impact your sleep? (other than the first day/night the clocks are changed)
If you sleep 8 hours a night, you can still sleep 8 hours during DLS too... ?????
(seriously, I have friends that have said this to me and I do not understand how it has an effect)

Another ploy used over here - if you want extra daylight, just get up earlier.
Great idea, if someone can get my employer to move their core hours to allow me to do that, then I will. However, it would have a knock on effect for all state schools in the state.

Its more of a psychological thing for me. I see the logic in what you say and it does work, but for me, in my mind, if I don't need to wake up earlier regardless of what the REAL time is, then why should I?

[zdcol71]

Originally Posted by flappist

That is because you live in Brisbane.

The world is round and the coast of QLD slopes west.

The closer you get to the equator the less effect the seasons have as the thickness of the atmosphere (as in angle and therefore distance travelled) changes very little.

There is little, if any, twilight north of a couple of hundred km south of the Tropic of Capricorn.

Due to the shape of Australia (look on a globe not a flat map as the projecton model distortion increases the further you are from the equator e.g. Greenland is only 400km wide but looks bigger than Australia) sunrise and sunset are at very different times to the southern areas.
The further north you go the later the sunrise/sunset. Mt Isa is only about 100km east of Adelaide.

So while the city office dwellers and southerners in general love the idea of cool afternoons and long twilights sipping chardonay and pontificating on life, the universe and everything up in the north it is just stinking hot for what appears to be even longer.

Conversley moving the time zones in winter would be better for the northeners as it is cooler and less monsoonal then.

To settle the arguement, why don't we just move the time zone forward 1 hr permanently?

You can have your twilights in summer while we swelter in the stinking heat and monsoons and we can have cool evenings in winter while you freeze your bums off in the dark.........

Thanks for the geography lesson ,flappist, here's me thinking I'd actually learnt something in 16 years of education.
I'm not sure the debate around daylight savings in Queensland ever really intended to reference Adelaide, certainly not Greenland.
Just to show I am not averse to all your argument, I am inclined to agree with you in regards to shifting the time zone forward, and lock it in for all EST .
(If you like, daylight savings all year)
Not sure how many time zones there are across Nth America, I think there are 7 or 8 wheras we have three (not to be accused of referencing other countries but maybe a little more relevant to the debate) so yes ,you are right, longditude time zones are probably more relevant than lattitude time zones.
In terms of time spent in twilight hours ,as at today, Brisbane , Cairns, and Mt Isa have a disparity of a massive 3 minutes.
You are right, I do live in Brisbane, and I am sure (though willing to be shown otherwise) that the majority of people in Queensland live below the Tropic of Capricorn. Thus I reference back to my post, I am not sure why Queenslanders seem to have such a fear of daylight savings.
A lot of manufacturing industries set their own "daylight saving" agenda and turn their clocks appropriately forward, most construction sites throughout Queenslad do similar. Many offices choose to do the same, and it seems to me the people most averse to change are rural Queenslanders ,who seem to work to the sun rise/set pattern anyway, regardless of what the clock says.
I am sympathetic to an argument I used to hear many years ago that the ABC news came on at 7pm regardless of daylight saving or otherwise, and that was the means wherby rural people got their news, but I'm not sure that argument holds too much weight these days.
Other than that, I can't understand why Queenslanders would not want to take advantage of the daylight available to them.

[Iggypoppin']

There's just something comforting in a late evening, you know, that sunset period of around 7.30-8, it's just awesome. The atmosphere of social events changes when dls is active. At least that's my opinion.

[Boosh Brus]

Originally Posted by Mr Brooksy

HATE it, DESPISE it, PEEVES me off something fierce!

And NO it has nothing to do with stupid curtain rubbish!

No matter what reasons anyone has 'for DLS' or 'against DSL' each think the other party are mad. So no matter what I say to explain WHY I hate it so much means 'jack' cause the next person who disagree's with me means the same. Its proven time and time again... just look at the messages above?

^^^ What he said

[Romulus]

I love it. I love not having it in WA. Thank the good Lord himself the WA people voted it down. We don't require it in WA, there is plenty of daylight before and after work.

[zdcol71]

Originally Posted by F6 Concorde

I love it. I love not having it in WA. Thank the good Lord himself the WA people voted it down. We don't require it in WA, there is plenty of daylight before and after work.

Not sure I want to argue the point that "the good lord" himself has anything to do with the hours in a day!!

[irlewy86]

Originally Posted by zdcol71

Other than that, I can't understand why Queenslanders would not want to take advantage of the daylight available to them.

Do you live in an air-conditioned house?

[Josh_XC]

Love coming home from work during the day, and its also great for bbq's after work

[zdcol71]

Originally Posted by irlewy86

Do you live in an air-conditioned house?

Trick question???

[irlewy86]

Originally Posted by zdcol71

Trick question???

I've always found the strongest advocates are those who enjoy the uninterrupted sleep of a climate controlled house. For the rest of us, we cant wait for some kind of relief from the heat.

[DJL351]

Originally Posted by irlewy86

Do you live in an air-conditioned house?

What does that matter?
Does DLS make the hotter than no DLS days?
If the max temp on a give day is 40deg then that is the max, regardless of DLS or no DLS.
(the only difference is the time at which that max temp is reached)

[flappist]

Originally Posted by zdcol71

Thanks for the geography lesson ,flappist, here's me thinking I'd actually learnt something in 16 years of education.
I'm not sure the debate around daylight savings in Queensland ever really intended to reference Adelaide, certainly not Greenland.
Just to show I am not averse to all your argument, I am inclined to agree with you in regards to shifting the time zone forward, and lock it in for all EST .
(If you like, daylight savings all year)
Not sure how many time zones there are across Nth America, I think there are 7 or 8 wheras we have three (not to be accused of referencing other countries but maybe a little more relevant to the debate) so yes ,you are right, longditude time zones are probably more relevant than lattitude time zones.
In terms of time spent in twilight hours ,as at today, Brisbane , Cairns, and Mt Isa have a disparity of a massive 3 minutes.
You are right, I do live in Brisbane, and I am sure (though willing to be shown otherwise) that the majority of people in Queensland live below the Tropic of Capricorn. Thus I reference back to my post, I am not sure why Queenslanders seem to have such a fear of daylight savings.
A lot of manufacturing industries set their own "daylight saving" agenda and turn their clocks appropriately forward, most construction sites throughout Queenslad do similar. Many offices choose to do the same, and it seems to me the people most averse to change are rural Queenslanders ,who seem to work to the sun rise/set pattern anyway, regardless of what the clock says.
I am sympathetic to an argument I used to hear many years ago that the ABC news came on at 7pm regardless of daylight saving or otherwise, and that was the means wherby rural people got their news, but I'm not sure that argument holds too much weight these days.
Other than that, I can't understand why Queenslanders would not want to take advantage of the daylight available to them.

Really?

According to Air Services the following are the official and legal first and last light times for today.

YMHB (Hobart) 1909 0848 UTC
YMML (Melbourne) 1925 0854 UTC
YSSY (Sydney) 1903 1825 UTC
YBBN (Brisbane) 1900 0813 UTC
YBCS (Cairns) 1935 0836 UTC
YBMA (Mt Isa) 1958 0903 UTC

Look at the differences in day length as well as dawn/dusk

Now on Australia day (middle of summer)

YMHB (Hobart) 1831 1041 UTC
YMML (Melbourne) 1858 1008 UTC
YSSY (Sydney) 1842 0933 UTC
YBBN (Brisbane) 1850 0910 UTC
YBCS (Cairns) 1939 0920 UTC
YBMA (Mt Isa) 1957 0952 UTC

And now on 30 June 2011 (middle of winter)

YMHB (Hobart) 2054 0739 UTC
YMML (Melbourne) 2055 0759 UTC
YSSY (Sydney) 2023 0740 UTC
YBBN (Brisbane) 2006 0742 UTC
YBCS (Cairns) 2021 0826 UTC
YBMA (Mt Isa) 2051 0846 UTC

Does that help you understand what the issue actually is?

[irlewy86]

Originally Posted by DJL351

What does that matter?
Does DLS make the hotter than no DLS days?
If the max temp on a give day is 40deg then that is the max, regardless of DLS or no DLS.
(the only difference is the time at which that max temp is reached)

It doesn't matter yet he didn't answer it.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by DJL351

(the only difference is the time at which that max temp is reached)

and only by an hour....


as for the people saying just go to work an hour earlier... are you for real? how many people can start work whenever they want?

[ROLLI]

Originally Posted by loftie

Daylight savings is great for bbqs and beers after work....

I look forward to it every year... ;)

Same here mate! Its the best when we do actually get nice days in vic like today I can get my car out after work and go enjoy the sun.....

[zdcol71]

Originally Posted by irlewy86

It doesn't matter yet he didn't answer it.

Boy, give me a chance tiger...but to answer your question , no! I'm just one of those guys who lives in a post war ,champherboard house in the suburbs.

[zdcol71]

Originally Posted by flappist

Really?

According to Air Services the following are the official and legal first and last light times for today.

YMHB (Hobart) 1909 0848 UTC
YMML (Melbourne) 1925 0854 UTC
YSSY (Sydney) 1903 1825 UTC
YBBN (Brisbane) 1900 0813 UTC
YBCS (Cairns) 1935 0836 UTC
YBMA (Mt Isa) 1958 0903 UTC

Look at the differences in day length as well as dawn/dusk

Now on Australia day (middle of summer)

YMHB (Hobart) 1831 1041 UTC
YMML (Melbourne) 1858 1008 UTC
YSSY (Sydney) 1842 0933 UTC
YBBN (Brisbane) 1850 0910 UTC
YBCS (Cairns) 1939 0920 UTC
YBMA (Mt Isa) 1957 0952 UTC

And now on 30 June 2011 (middle of winter)

YMHB (Hobart) 2054 0739 UTC
YMML (Melbourne) 2055 0759 UTC
YSSY (Sydney) 2023 0740 UTC
YBBN (Brisbane) 2006 0742 UTC
YBCS (Cairns) 2021 0826 UTC
YBMA (Mt Isa) 2051 0846 UTC

Does that help you understand what the issue actually is?

I guess if you're flying a couple of feet above the rest of us ,yes it does help me understand. I only posted times from the BOM, that I guess the rest of us less fortunate ground dwellers would reference.
But again I ask ,if the original post was in regards to daylight savings in Queensland, why do you reference aviation statistics for YMBH, YMML, YSSY,
There was a map produced earlier that showed most coutries in the tropics were against DLS, but it also showed to me that most of those countries that proposed DLS were developed.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by flappist

Really?

According to Air Services the following are the official and legal first and last light times for today.

YMHB (Hobart) 1909 0848 UTC
YMML (Melbourne) 1925 0854 UTC
YSSY (Sydney) 1903 1825 UTC
YBBN (Brisbane) 1900 0813 UTC
YBCS (Cairns) 1935 0836 UTC
YBMA (Mt Isa) 1958 0903 UTC

Look at the differences in day length as well as dawn/dusk

Now on Australia day (middle of summer)

YMHB (Hobart) 1831 1041 UTC
YMML (Melbourne) 1858 1008 UTC
YSSY (Sydney) 1842 0933 UTC
YBBN (Brisbane) 1850 0910 UTC
YBCS (Cairns) 1939 0920 UTC
YBMA (Mt Isa) 1957 0952 UTC

And now on 30 June 2011 (middle of winter)

YMHB (Hobart) 2054 0739 UTC
YMML (Melbourne) 2055 0759 UTC
YSSY (Sydney) 2023 0740 UTC
YBBN (Brisbane) 2006 0742 UTC
YBCS (Cairns) 2021 0826 UTC
YBMA (Mt Isa) 2051 0846 UTC

Does that help you understand what the issue actually is?

I am really confused by those numbers and YES I understand a 24 hour clock.

For instance Mt. Isa that I have highlighted, do those numbers mean that "legally" sunset is at 7.58pm and sunrise is at 9.03 am? Or am I reading those number wrong.

I really struggle with it being "legally" sunrise at 9.03 am today in Mt Isa - sorry.