bathurst 12 hour entry list - Page 2

paulie0735 · 30-03-2007, 06:29 PM

The info on the monaro's race cars is available just about anywhere. It’s true they were never production cars but they never pretended to be either. It’s also true they were 'likened' to the ill fated 427 special but nobody (at least at Holden) ever said they were based on that car or vise versa. The promoters of the series wanted a local car to compete with the fazza's, lambos' and the odd special hand built imports that were the front runners in Nations Cup and GT Sports car category, so Holden and Gary Rodgers Motor Sport built them a couple of aussie hotrods to take on the best from around the world. Trouble seems to be that the other cars were actually modified road models and the monaro’s were race cars under a street car shell. Anybody ever seen a Diablo GTR in this country? Does anybody remember the hand built pommie thing they brought out for the first 24 hour? Or do we just slag, bag and rag Holden because they happen to respond faster than Ford does to marketing opportunities?

The truth is easy to bend and shape to suit your arguments and like the old saying goes........ "never……… let the truth get in the way of a good story" and it certainly has no place in a good old fashioned bench race or argument either.

56L · 30-03-2007, 06:54 PM

One other reason that the public were dissapointed about the ghost monaro is that holden had taken a large amount of money in the way of deposits off the public to show that were actually going to build these car when they always new they werent ,they lied to australia from word go.
what about joe bloggs and his mates that handed over 100k deposits for a long period of time,think about the interest they could have made on that money instead of giving to holden for a dead set ripoff lie

Rev28K · 30-03-2007, 06:57 PM

<start rant> I can remember the other cars that were competing against the Monaro. I knew that there were Mosslers in America, I knew that BMW has built 10 "cheater" road-going M3 GTR's to qualify for an American series. The Challenge Ferraris, Porsche 911 RS CS, Mazda RX7 Sp's and things didn't bother me, because I knew that they were actually road cars <end rant>.

Good luck to this series, I hope that it suceeds and it really seems like a step in the right direction.

4Vman · 30-03-2007, 06:59 PM

In many ways the 7L "V8supercar" Monaro killed off any chance that production car racing would get any credibility and popularity in Australia..
In the end i think everyone got sick of the 2 rule system.

The Monty · 30-03-2007, 07:08 PM

IMHO, Thanks Holden, way to ruin a series.

Aaron_EF8 · 30-03-2007, 07:17 PM

Nations Cup wasn't Production Racing, that's why they ended up splitting Nations Cup and GT-P into 2 seperate races.

Was there a rule stopping Ford from doing the exact same thing as Holden?

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& what happened to them, they reckoned they were to quick & knobbled them out of racing , the biggest advantage they had was their handling untill they raised their ride height by 2 inches

It was actually 4 inches, or 100mm. The Mustang had a holinger box, modified engine and suspension, just like the Monaros. The only reason they didn't stroke the Mustang is because the stroke would be stupidly long.

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what about joe bloggs and his mates that handed over 100k deposits for a long period of time,think about the interest they could have made on that money instead of giving to holden for a dead set ripoff lie

I don't think every 'Joe Bloggs' went in and put down a 100k deposit. Kerry Packer and Alan Jones would have been 2 of the very few people to do it.

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IMHO, Thanks Holden, way to ruin a series

Of course, don't worry about the 14-18 car fields, the fact the cars cost as much to build as a V8SC, but with hardly any TV coverage, or the fact that the racing was quite boring to watch.

Still, I don't see what this has to do with a 12hr race being held for sub-100K production cars. Or do we just feel the need to do some more Holden bashing?

4Vman · 30-03-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_EF8

Nations Cup wasn't Production Racing, that's why they ended up splitting Nations Cup and GT-P into 2 seperate races.

Nup, just different price points.

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Originally Posted by Aaron_EF8

Was there a rule stopping Ford from doing the exact same thing as Holden?

I guess Ford saw more benefit in focusing on the V8SC series where they didnt need to cheat. (pfft.. how nieve of them)

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Originally Posted by Aaron_EF8

Still, I don't see what this has to do with a 12hr race being held for sub-100K production cars.

What? It used to be the same series, so its relevant in the context of the history of the race, and why were at where we are today...

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Originally Posted by Aaron_EF8

Or do we just feel the need to do some more Holden bashing?

Ouch! very defensive arent we..? dont worry, we can see through their smoke screen..

WAXBFAR · 30-03-2007, 07:56 PM

Look out for car #99 from WA!

fou_bleu · 30-03-2007, 08:02 PM

Think i might be goin! fingers crossed!

MITCHAY · 30-03-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_EF8

I don't think every 'Joe Bloggs' went in and put down a 100k deposit. Kerry Packer and Alan Jones would have been 2 of the very few people to do it.

Actually they had 80 deposits on a 50 vehicle production run. That was before they even had known the finer details including the actual price. They stuffed up their figures when it came to pricing.

**Polyal** · 30-03-2007, 08:25 PM

So thats a no to TV? I would sit around for 12 hours, thats atleast two slabs worth..LOL

RegSpec · 30-03-2007, 08:31 PM

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It will be interesting to see how the rally guys go against the circuit racers in the wrx...... !

Especially if it rains!!!!

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majin_andrew · 30-03-2007, 11:09 PM

From the website's FAQ page:

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Q. Is the Event being televised?

A. A 2 hour free to air special on the NINE Network, will be broadcast at 1.30pm on Sunday 22 April 2007 and replayed on FOX SPORTS, broadcast at 8pm on Wednesday 25 April 2007.

**Polyal** · 30-03-2007, 11:15 PM

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From the website's FAQ page:

well thats better than nothing I guess....at what stage of the race will that be?

majin_andrew · 30-03-2007, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rev28K

There is a price ceiling on the cars that can compete. It is around $100K from memory.

There are a couple of BMW 335i's in there, aren't they a tad over $100k?

I have no idea at what stage the race will be at when the TV coverage is happening though.

mean & green · 31-03-2007, 11:40 AM

not a bad field for the return of the race !!

i think the organisers have put the price limit on to keep the cars in the realms of affordable cars that joe bloggs would purchase "good idea i think!"

will be interesting to see how the two diesel cars will go !!

sbutler · 31-03-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

In many ways the 7L "V8supercar" Monaro killed off any chance that production car racing would get any credibility and popularity in Australia..
In the end i think everyone got sick of the 2 rule system.

Never a true'r word spoken there Vman, The whole 7L Munros thing was a huge SCAM!!! Cams should hang there heads in shame for letting it happen...

kempster1 · 31-03-2007, 09:50 PM

This link gives you the detail of what cars can race

http://www.bimf.com.au/files/downloa...egulations.pdf

Diesel cars around Bathurst?????

PHATXR8 · 31-03-2007, 10:02 PM

A couple of good drivers at the wheel of the XR8. It will be interesting to see if it can keep up with the XR6T's...

FPV8U · 31-03-2007, 10:10 PM

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A couple of good drivers at the wheel of the XR8. It will be interesting to see if it can keep up with the XR6T's...

Yep JB is a great steerer and as driver quite a few Boss powered FPV Falcons in his development role, so he should do quite well and Mr Elsegood seems to be quite quick in most things he step's into.

I'll be suprised if the XR8 with JB at the wheel doesn't blow the XR6T into the weeds from driver ability alone.

MITCHAY · 31-03-2007, 10:13 PM

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The Denyer/Crompton/Alajajian WRX should do well...

Not aswell as the WRX STi Spec C with Chris Atkinson, Dean Herridge and Cody Crocker.

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The Spec C would pretty much kill anything we get here.

This will be interesting to watch. You got the Jap cars who are good on the corners and are limited on the straights particularly at Bathurst with Conrod (due to short ratios assuming gearbox mods aren't allowed?) and then you have the F6 Phoon which is an exceptional straight line car and has ability in corners.

Too bad we only get a measely 2hrs on FTA out of a whole 12

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normxb · 01-04-2007, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Axe

The Denyer/Crompton/Alajajian WRX should do well...

Wonder if "7" has anything to do with this

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Jayden · 01-04-2007, 12:48 AM

why cant bathurst be near perth :( this looks awsome.

Bossxr8 · 01-04-2007, 07:52 PM

The Typhoon entry from Robinson Racing Developments intrigues me. Weren't they the ones who helped with development work on the Drif6. Possible factory backed entry?

FPV8U · 01-04-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The Typhoon entry from Robinson Racing Developments intrigues me. Weren't they the ones who helped with development work on the Drif6. Possible factory backed entry?

They ran the same F6 in the GTP series last year and the year before and i assume will run this years GTP series from bathurst onwards as they wern't at Wakefield park today.