USA Riots

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

I worked in nyc at Central Park and was the only white bloke. Some of their stories were incredible about being chased and beaten for being black.

The thing that hurt them daily was people coming to me for directions when we were all together as I was the only white one there. It happened from my first day. Then watching people reactions when I directed them to the black person to answer the question. You would see the people get nervous then repeat the question slowly

You could see the pain and anger in my coworkers faces.

That's human nature, people will naturally group together with people who are similar to themselves, that's why Melbourne in particular ends up with suburbs and regions flooded with particular ethnicities.

It goes both ways, they'd be doing it subconsciously.

[five 7]

Think you will find its groups like Antifa using this to further there cause/agenda behind alot of this.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

As I said I don't condone it, but what are they going to do, ask him politely if he'll be a good boy and wait patiently for the divvy van?

Any cop will tell you their not trained to restrain someone by the neck especially for extended periods. There were at least 4 cops on the scene, if they couldn't hold him down by the back or something they need to be retrained.

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Funny how we had a guy shot dead by cops on a Melbourne freeway last week. He had a small knife and these 4 cops couldn't take control of the situation by wrestling him to the ground or shooting him in the legs but no one is outraged here.

Shoot him the leg? Seriously? Real life isn't an action movie. In the heat of the moment would you shoot someone in the largest part of their body to almost certainly stop yourself being stabbed or aim for one of the smallest parts of the body and possibly still get stabbed?
If these Melbourne cops shot him in the back while he was complying that would be a different story.

[superyob]

The pallets of bricks that mysteriously appeared in the streets were just peacefully migrating. Nothing suspicious there. No, non, nein! Nothing staged or planned with these riots. But if you happen to notice any of this, just shut your racist face you conspiracy theorist…

PS. Trump rules!

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Any cop will tell you their not trained to restrain someone by the neck especially for extended periods. There were at least 4 cops on the scene, if they couldn't hold him down by the back or something they need to be retrained.

Shoot him the leg? Seriously? Real life isn't an action movie. In the heat of the moment would you shoot someone in the largest part of their body to almost certainly stop yourself being stabbed or aim for one of the smallest parts of the body and possibly still get stabbed?
.

There were 4 of them and they couldn't handle a 1 guy with a knife without shooting him come on mate, isn't that what they are trained to do.
UK police seem to be able to bring someone down without resorting to the use of firearms, most don't have any.
I think the cops have been watching to many Yank movies myself.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

There were 4 of them and they couldn't handle a 1 guy with a knife without shooting him come on mate, isn't that what they are trained to do.
UK police seem to be able to bring someone down without resorting to the use of firearms, most don't have any.
I think the cops have been watching to many Yank movies myself.

Cops are trained to neutralize the threat. You don't do that by shooting them in the leg

It won't always stop the hand with the knife from moving. Especially if they are iced up to the gills.


As for the american cop, apparently the knee in the neck tactic was outlawed years ago. So what he was doing was not an approved tactic.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Cops are trained to neutralize the threat. You don't do that by shooting them in the leg

It won't always stop the hand with the knife from moving. Especially if they are iced up to the gills.

Ok, So shoot to kill is the order of the day then now.

Wonder why they didn't do that with the Bourke St car killer considering they followed him all day into the heart of the city and did nothing.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Ok, So shoot to kill is the order of the day then now.

Wonder why they didn't do that with the Bourke St car killer considering they followed him all day into the heart of the city an did nothing.

Because he was in a car for one thing, and they were on the phone trying to negotiate with him. And at that stage he wasn't a threat. By the time he started mowing people down it was too late.

They did make a whole host of errors though. The softly softly approach they were trying to use was a waste of time. Sometimes in those situations you need to hit hard and fast and neutralize the threat, but their recent weak policing tactics didn't allow for it. And they paid the price. But it's easy saying that in hindsight. They would have had no idea what he was about to do.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

There were 4 of them and they couldn't handle a 1 guy with a knife without shooting him come on mate, isn't that what they are trained to do.
UK police seem to be able to bring someone down without resorting to the use of firearms, most don't have any.
I think the cops have been watching to many Yank movies myself.

I guess it depends on the situation. I heard there was a stand off. You would think they would try taser or pepper spray before shooting. Unless this guy suddenly pulled a knife while running at police then I don't blame them for shooting.



On the Minneapolis riots the citizens were told during the curfew they are still allowed to be outside their own house as long as they stay on their own property. Some police don't care about that and would rather show their authority

https://streamable.com/u2jzoo

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by five 7

Think you will find its groups like Antifa using this to further there cause/agenda behind alot of this.

I'm still confused what actually is Antifa? NYT describe them as "Supporters generally seek to stop what they see as fascist, racist and far-right groups from having a platform to promote their views, arguing that public demonstration of those ideas leads to the targeting of marginalized people, including racial minorities, women and members of the L.G.B.T.Q. community."

ABC News radio this morning interviewed the guy that wrote the Antifa handbook. He said its not a club, it doesnt have membership, it is just an idea. People form groups based on the idea. He did also say sometimes people can get violent to push the idea.

The NYT description seems noble, so why are they calling them terrorists? I don't get it.

[XR8GRL]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I'm still confused what actually is Antifa? NYT describe them as "Supporters generally seek to stop what they see as fascist, racist and far-right groups from having a platform to promote their views, arguing that public demonstration of those ideas leads to the targeting of marginalized people, including racial minorities, women and members of the L.G.B.T.Q. community."

ABC News radio this morning interviewed the guy that wrote the Antifa handbook. He said its not a club, it doesnt have membership, it is just an idea. People form groups based on the idea. He did also say sometimes people can get violent to push the idea.

The NYT description seems noble, so why are they calling them terrorists? I don't get it.

Antifa is nothing, it's just a shortened slang term for being Anti-fascism

[kaniSS]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I'm still confused what actually is Antifa? NYT describe them as "Supporters generally seek to stop what they see as fascist, racist and far-right groups from having a platform to promote their views, arguing that public demonstration of those ideas leads to the targeting of marginalized people, including racial minorities, women and members of the L.G.B.T.Q. community."

ABC News radio this morning interviewed the guy that wrote the Antifa handbook. He said its not a club, it doesnt have membership, it is just an idea. People form groups based on the idea. He did also say sometimes people can get violent to push the idea.

The NYT description seems noble, so why are they calling them terrorists? I don't get it.

Ultra left wing sooks who throw tantrums when they don't get what they want.

[Rallye Sport]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Any cop will tell you their not trained to restrain someone by the neck especially for extended periods. There were at least 4 cops on the scene, if they couldn't hold him down by the back or something they need to be retrained.

Too right they need to be retrained, but until they get it they'll just keep using the tools they've got

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I'm still confused what actually is Antifa? NYT describe them as "Supporters generally seek to stop what they see as fascist, racist and far-right groups from having a platform to promote their views, arguing that public demonstration of those ideas leads to the targeting of marginalized people, including racial minorities, women and members of the L.G.B.T.Q. community."

ABC News radio this morning interviewed the guy that wrote the Antifa handbook. He said its not a club, it doesnt have membership, it is just an idea. People form groups based on the idea. He did also say sometimes people can get violent to push the idea.

The NYT description seems noble, so why are they calling them terrorists? I don't get it.

Because they mask up and turn up in huge numbers punchimg the crap out people as counter protests to any ideas they don't agree with.

The USA has had serious issues with Antifa in the past few years, they try shut down any viewpoints or opinions they don't agree with through large scale violence.

[superyob]

Antifa are the fascists they claim to fight...

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Because they mask up and turn up in huge numbers punchimg the crap out people as counter protests to any ideas they don't agree with.

The USA has had serious issues with Antifa in the past few years, they try shut down any viewpoints or opinions they don't agree with through large scale violence.

Don’t forget to mention many of which are paid to do so, which also spills over into local leftie protests particularly in Melbourne.

[five 7]

Portland Oregon is infested with them they have been causing trouble for years.
https://youtu.be/fECgG5NLUr4

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Ben73

It's pretty weird how the cop and the guy he killed both worked at the same club as security.

At the same time? So, they must have known each other?

I can't fathom what that family is going through. He had a kid? Imagine growing up knowing that's how dad died?

Camera's on him, several male officers around, guy saying he is suffocating, held down for almost 10 minutes in that position, lifeless for 3 minutes of that.

What the hell were they thinking?

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

At the same time? So, they must have known each other?

I can't fathom what that family is going through. He had a kid? Imagine growing up knowing that's how dad died?

Camera's on him, several male officers around, guy saying he is suffocating, held down for almost 10 minutes in that position, lifeless for 3 minutes of that.

What the hell were they thinking?

Worked opposite shifts at the same nightclub apparently, didn’t specifically know each other but would have known of each other before.

What I can’t understand is the actions taken by the ambulance crew, got out, no equipment, no checks, no attempted revival, hell even the way they rolled him into the board isn’t even at the level you would expect at a local sports club.

I fully support those who wish to protest this or any other issue and hope the message isn’t lost thanks to the Antifa plants stirring up conflict.

[superyob]

White people are killed by blacks all over the world on a regular basis. Crickets chirp. MSM will not report on it because it does not fit their Marxist agenda. Black persons, usually those caught committing crimes, are killed and it's an excuse to riot. Suddenly it's 'racist'...

https://www.xyz.net.au/another-white-girl-murdered/

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Worked opposite shifts at the same nightclub apparently, didn’t specifically know each other but would have known of each other before.

What I can’t understand is the actions taken by the ambulance crew, got out, no equipment, no checks, no attempted revival, hell even the way they rolled him into the board isn’t even at the level you would expect at a local sports club.

I fully support those who wish to protest this or any other issue and hope the message isn’t lost thanks to the Antifa plants stirring up conflict.

I'm trying to distance myself from negative news and didn't watch any clips of the incident and only know what I know from news reports and the internet headlines.

If that's the case my goodness what the hell is wrong with people?

I sometimes wonder how people can be so far gone that they lose their sence of humanity along the way?

YouTube is loaded with clips from the 'States of power tripping authority figures over reacting in the name of national security / personal safety / the good of the people.

TSA searches that make people wait so long so they miss their plane, over use of police powers, purposeful manipulation of situations to then justify an overreaction, excessive use of force.

Didn't any of the watching cops think to themselves to tap the guy on the shoulder and say 'mate, I think you've done enough, lets sit him up and end this with dignity for all'.

I can't fathom the hatred and anger in a person that will pin a man down by the neck like a rabid animal till they are well and truly dead.

Nor the inaction of the onlookers that had the power to stop the madness.

Not the first, won't be the last.

[MITCHAY]

I have watched a significant amount of coverage over the past week and I just can't believe what I'm seeing.

I think that it is being used as an outlet for angry people ****ed off about just about anything. The effects of the pandemic on health and economy no doubt not helping.

There are people definitely delibrately inflaming the situation for their agendas so please don't pretend it is one fringe of the political spectrum. They are both doing it.

I'm worried that if you dig below the surface just a bit we're not far off from **** kicking off here. Probably not as bad but bad enough.

[Tickford.]

Why are we getting so upset about the American police killing 'black' people in America??

We live in Australia. Not America.

Start looking in our own backyard, and the Australian police. There have been 432 'black' deaths by the Australian police since the Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custodyin ended in 1991. There have been at least five deaths since August 2019, two of which have resulted in murder charges being laid. One of the murders was of a 29 year old mother in September last year.

That is 14 'black' Australian people killed in police custody by the Australian police force per year since 1991.

Where is the big media coverage of these cases?

Where are the riots?

Please don't get so upset over what is happening on the other side of the world. Get upset at what is happening in your own backyard.

[MITCHAY]

This is why I'm worried as what is happening over there is already being contrasted to what happens here. It has been gaining increasing attention in the last few days.

I think they are already planning protests which I have no issue with so long as you're not harming others but in the middle of a pandemic probably not a good idea.

But they could gain significant support on the back of what is happening in the US. Protests generally start out peaceful but as we seen can turn to **** real quick.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

There are people definitely delibrately inflaming the situation for their agendas so please don't pretend it is one fringe of the political spectrum. They are both doing it.

True. There is footage from these riots of white men dressed in black with face fully covered armed with hammers and baseball bats, going around smashing windows of shopfronts in LA. Then encouraging the mobs (of mixed races) into the shops to loot. The news I have seen are saying these men are suspected to be white supremacist members.

There were similar stories during the '92 riots in LA.

[superyob]

Many more whites die in custody in Australia. No outrage??? You are being lied to people. These 'riots' are an engineered event...

[five 7]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

True. There is footage from these riots of white men dressed in black with face fully covered armed with hammers and baseball bats, going around smashing windows of shopfronts in LA. Then encouraging the mobs (of mixed races) into the shops to loot. The news I have seen are saying these men are suspected to be white supremist members.

There were similar stories during the '92 riots in LA.

Search Boogaloo Bois

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Because they mask up and turn up in huge numbers punchimg the crap out people as counter protests to any ideas they don't agree with.

The USA has had serious issues with Antifa in the past few years, they try shut down any viewpoints or opinions they don't agree with through large scale violence.

They cracked some gay Asian journalists skull in an assault in Portland Oregon because he's been covering their activities in the city for a while about them being scumbags:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/antifa...wing-extremism

Yes, I'm aware its a Fox News article - the poor guy has been assaulted multiple times by them covering protests, he's been beaten, copped pepper spray, hit with milkshakes and had his skull cracked in separate incidents, funny how they pick the gay Asian dude to punch up all the time when the left is supposed to be LGBTQIA+ and diversity friendly

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

True. There is footage from these riots of white men dressed in black with face fully covered armed with hammers and baseball bats, going around smashing windows of shopfronts in LA. Then encouraging the mobs (of mixed races) into the shops to loot. The news I have seen are saying these men are suspected to be white supremacist members.

There were similar stories during the '92 riots in LA.

They will all be proven to be communists, as usual. Just like Smollet attacked himself and blamed white supremacists and Jews in America painting swastikas on walls to invent 'hate' crimes. Many 'hate' crimes are also manufactured by the lugenpresse (lying press)...

[Ben73]

I'm sure the idea that started Antifa was all good intentions, problem is it attracted all the left wing extremists who are just a different type of fascists to the right wing fascists they hate.

Antifa brutally beat minorities that disagree with them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI2EHMy1lgs