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13-10-2014, 12:40 PM | #31 | |||
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Both have been killed off , only one has been advertised, again I'm not saying that advertising would have saved it, I'm just saying ford put into play a plan a number of years ago before the announcement, It's like anything , reduce the options or variations & the market for the product also reduces, As many have said on here and admittedly it's all speculation, but you can't tell me a g8 e would not sell, the Calais v has proven there are people who want a luxury v8 sedan. Either way it's a mute point now, these are the final 18 mths or so of the falcon, and for those of us it suited, let's enjoy this one last model.
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If there was no existing industry, then yes, there would be setup costs, but there's still a number of operating factories on our shores, along with hundreds of smaller sub-tiers.
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13-10-2014, 12:55 PM | #33 | ||
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But to maintain manufacturing of cars requires staff, raw materials, energy, etc, etc and all at AUD prices.
Compare that to what an importer has and you can see why. So they only sell a few more cars a month, but when you don't have to fund the R&D for that region, sell a model world wide the costs come down a lot more. For us to make cars there, government, business and workers (including unions) need to re think their strategy.
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13-10-2014, 02:35 PM | #34 | |||
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Rightly or wrongly the 3 box sedan/wagon/ute combo has been replaced by those 3 types of vehicles. Even if Falcon was the best selling hatchback, or SUV, or commercial ute (or all three) it wouldn't be enough to make manufacturing in Oz sustainable (for a variety of national and international reasons) [IMO]. |
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13-10-2014, 03:41 PM | #35 | |||
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13-10-2014, 05:27 PM | #37 | ||
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Ford may have survived if the falcon was exported like holden did do to the states....But then again if you're putting a mustang, camaro, falcon and god knows how many v8/6T/6 or any variant in there I probably wouldn't pick the falcon as much as I love the car....Engine great! Styling loved it, interior.....well boring, compared a GTS to an FPV and I will say I feel like I get 10x more on the interior then I have ever seen any FPV with, but you pay for the motor I suppose..
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13-10-2014, 06:21 PM | #38 | ||
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Have a look at the dealerships today, see if you can find anything to do with winning Bathurst on the weekend if you can you are better than me. I arrived late this morning at one of our local dealerships to remove a dent from a car and said to the person in "new cars" that I was dealing with.
"I thought you would have banners or something advertising the Ford win at Bathurst on Sunday" the answer was "I am sorry, I don't know what that means". They seriously had know idea what I was talking about There is no passion for the product in within the company or the dealerships, little wonder they are leaving |
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13-10-2014, 09:29 PM | #39 | |||
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Not sure it's sold even a slither of the models needed to make it even slightly worth all the $$$ and effort put into the deal. But that's no doubt more a reflection of the American market then the car itself.......unless your not talking about the vf........because if your not, then the other exports were and are a complete failure. |
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13-10-2014, 09:49 PM | #40 | ||
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Well my commitment matches theirs - to never buy any Ford products once the last Australian made Falcon rolls off the assembly line.
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13-10-2014, 10:10 PM | #41 | ||
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14-10-2014, 12:07 AM | #42 | ||||
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As has been pointed out the Commodore gets alot of advertising but Holden are still closing down local manufacturing. Its just simply not viable to build cars, especially cars like that here anymore. We're way too expensive compared to the rest of the world. As fun and simple as Falcon/Commodore are most people don't give a rats *** about performance, car enthusiasts are a minority. A few people wanting a factory blown V8 doesn't compare to most people just wanting, cheap, reliable, with plenty of gadgets.
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14-10-2014, 01:34 AM | #43 | |||
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14-10-2014, 02:44 AM | #44 | ||
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Just all of GMs subsidiaries sell in the States, every supercar manufacturer, pretty much every small car manufacturer. America's a huge market that everyone wants and mostly is in on. It makes people feel good to say Australia is the most flooded car market place in the world to explain away local manufacturing's failings but there's so many manufacturers that sell there but not here, and sell their entire range not just a few cars.
And if we include the likes of HSV and FPV here then all the workshops that sell modded cars played to their shop count in the states as well, not that they need those numbers. |
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14-10-2014, 03:36 AM | #45 | ||
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I'm a little confused. So you're going to punish a company that's employed Australian's for over 50 years, by rewarding a company that's never had a manufacturing plant in Australia (and has no plans to)? Or are you just never buying a new car again? (as if that helps any jobs).
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14-10-2014, 09:16 AM | #46 | ||
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Could Australian cars be disappearing because we are not making a big enough variety? What Australian fords are there? Falcon, Falcon ute and Territory. Large sedan, 2wd ute and large city SUV. If you want anything else you have to buy an import.
As we know hatchbacks and small SUVs and even dualcab utes to some extent sell in volumes these days. I wonder if Australia made these vehicles they may be making a decent profit. Enough to keep the lesser selling products in production. Still No good from a business point of view. But if it earns them overall profit it's not the worst situation |
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14-10-2014, 10:30 AM | #47 | |||
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14-10-2014, 10:43 AM | #48 | |||
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14-10-2014, 10:49 AM | #49 | |||
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Things still wouldn't work out if any other type of vehicles were made in Australia. The problem has very little to do with they type of vehicle being produced, the simple fact is that it isn't as cost effective to manufacture vehicles in Australia, especially a small volume of vehicles on a global scale. It is an economic certainty that the Australian car industry cannot survive on its own for much longer in today's economy, imported cars have become much cheaper and they are far more effectively manufactured in other parts of the world, such as Japan. By no means am I saying that Japanese cars are better, but it is far cheaper to manufacturer cars in Japan or Korea etc, than in Australia. For example in Japan, Automotive products are one of their main export goods,and because they are able to produce these relatively cheaply and efficiently, their demand increases. Its just one of those things that cant be changed, it doesn't matter if they made a small SUV or whatever, it is still going to cost more to make it in Australia than in Asia (costs of labour, transport, machinery ect). There are plenty of export goods from Australia that cant be obtained for the same price in Japan for example beef, coal, wheat, so because Japan cant get the amount of these goods from their own country as cheaply or efficiently, they import from Australia. Its a real shame, but really nothing can be done about it, apart from enjoying it while it lasts, so get out there and buy a new Falcon before its too late !
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14-10-2014, 02:48 PM | #50 | |||
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14-10-2014, 03:13 PM | #51 | ||
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If the government was fair dinkum about saving any of our manufacturing, they'd put the fences back up. Plenty of other countries still have them.
We should have some protection on our own industry, surely. Even giving away our resources for the prices we do is madness. I'm quite sure that once we run out, we won't get such a good deal when we go shopping. Fuel is a perfect indicator to that. Ed
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14-10-2014, 05:03 PM | #52 | ||
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Some blokes just dont get it, manufacturing here is expensive,
rule one for any business is you have to be able to make a dollar, holden is departing for the same reason as ford and toyota, as did just about ever other major car maker thats set up shop in australia, its really very little do with the cars, they advertise the mondeo, they have barely advertised the falcon at all, yet the falcon still out sells the mondeo and the aurion. Gov policy for decades has made it harder and harder for manufacturing.......its just the hand they have been delt. |
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14-10-2014, 05:29 PM | #53 | |||
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Ed you are spot on, I think there needs to be more thought to the long-term, ie 50-100 years, by governments (all of them). The signs have been there for years that Ford has been less than interested in manufacturing in the long term, as the global competitiveness has decreased plus the market has changed in a way they couldn't accommodate. The Commodore arguably represents the best case scenario, they have had a fair crack at exporting (even though the Pontiac shut-down did not help) and as such have had more money spent on development, but it still does not have a business case for another generation. Now that they have made the decision it would take something extraordinary for Ford to change their position. |
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Advancement in aussie cars has ONLY happened because of competition.
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14-10-2014, 06:03 PM | #55 | |||
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14-10-2014, 08:45 PM | #56 | |||
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15-10-2014, 02:47 AM | #57 | |||
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1. Buy a new car not made in Australia 2. Buy a used car 3. Build your own kit car. The beauty about the Australian car market is that there is choice, which is a great thing for consumers. There is a whole host of other cars out there which are available for sale in Australia, if only people would take off their blinkers for a moment. I think it's a pity that in this global car industry - and in particular the Australian market where we have more brands and models available than anywhere else - people can't see past their own prejudices against imports. Ford in particular have a whole range of fantastic cars that's either currently for sale or in the pipeline. If you're going to boycott Ford's products - some of which, like the Ranger and Everest, are designed and engineered right here in Australia - then that's your choice, but it's also your loss. Holden and Toyota are going too. Are you going to boycott them as well? And Mitsubishi? And every other manufacturer that once had manufacturing operations in Australia? And incidentally, the thread title is misleading. Ford aren't leaving Australia, they're ceasing manufacturing in Australia. There's a big difference.
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Edmunds.com lists the following manufacturers who currently sell new vehicles in the United States market.
Acura, Alfa Romeo, Aston Martin, Audi, Bentley, BMW, Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Chrysler, Dodge, Ferrari, Fiat, Ford, GMC, Honda, Hyundai, Infiniti, Jaguar, Jeep, Kia, Lamborghini, Land Rover, Lexus, Lincoln, Lotus, Maserati, Mazda, McLaren, Mercedes-Benz, Mini, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Porsche, Ram, Rolls-Royce, Scion, Smart, Subaru, Suzuki, Tesla, Toyota, Volkswagen, Volvo. |
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