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18-05-2012, 09:49 PM | #31 | ||
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Americans don't hate diesels, the cost of petrol and diesel is much less making higher levels of fuel economy less concerning
If all gos to plan, the new Transit over there will have the 3.7 V6 as well as a federalized I-5 diesel . It's the cost of meeting US EPA emissions that stop diesel dead in its tracks, the present pricing estimates for an I-4 TDCI with urea exhaust after treatment systems at around $4,000, Ecoboost is $500-$1,000 |
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18-05-2012, 11:18 PM | #32 | |||
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But then again what do Ford expect, they don't advertise a product and then probably wonder why it fails. Ford Sales and Marketing = FAIL. |
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19-05-2012, 12:56 AM | #33 | ||
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give it time , word of mouth takes a while to generate sales .
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19-05-2012, 07:52 AM | #34 | |||
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would be built this year, so over an eight month period that would be around 8 to 10 a day.. Which sounds about right compared to your EcoLPI build rates. It's certainly sounds like Ford doesn't expect Ecoboost sales to be on Fire.... Bottom Line: I-6 sales are the heart and soul of Falcon production, without them the future is grim indeed. Sad but FoA is building a great car that the market seems to no longer want... |
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19-05-2012, 08:53 AM | #35 | ||
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Bog standard Holden that was quickest thru witches hats.... VC Commodore 4-cylinder. JB Camira SL manual just pipped it but no one cares. Interesting to see if this one fastest Falcon as well....
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19-05-2012, 02:40 PM | #36 | ||
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No wonder a heap of people started another forum....
Can't have one positive topic about a Falcon without it being turned into a Ford bashing thread...
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19-05-2012, 09:37 PM | #39 | |||
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Its like they will build them, but not bother really going out and selling them. Its a really bad sign when you spend 10's of millions of dollars bringing a product to market but aren't prepared to put the effort in to make the public aware that your new product exists. Its like they have set it up for failure before it even starts. Its deeply concerning, like they are just going through the motions to keep the place turning over just enough until they can pull the plug. From a company with such a proud and successful past its such a shame. |
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19-05-2012, 09:52 PM | #40 | |||
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Ford is building a brilliant large car product but has allowed a huge disconnect to develop with buyers Look closely and you'll see how Ford is actually abandoning the fleet Falcon business case and falling back to retail sales. Ford may well continue building Falcons until 2014 and beyond but getting buyers to commit is becoming harder.. All they can do is hang on and get whatever sales they can and pray that the market eventually turns positive.. |
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19-05-2012, 10:15 PM | #41 | ||
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what i find sad is that someone who works at ford in some capacity is turning into one of the biggest knockers on a 'fan' forum.
perhaps a job at fishermens bend might suit better, or toyota. actually toyota only shift 600 or so aurions so that would end in the same responses. |
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19-05-2012, 10:29 PM | #42 | |||
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Sometime the truth hurts. Ford have IMO the best product in most segments but cant seem to really get numbers like the others. So do you sit there and accept it or try and do something about it. Sitting there = yes yes men..that kills companies. Sure talking on a forum mightnt change much but its a start, and better than sitting on your hands.
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19-05-2012, 10:45 PM | #43 | ||
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i guess it depends on the individuals expectations. if you took note of the federal budget, it is clear the government expect ford to still be manufacturing here until at least 2016. ford have also stated as much.
the large car segment is smaller. ford have stated they still want to be a part of it. people love to compare to commodore but often, as a percentage, they are on the same slide, sometimes worse. sometimes i think ford are the realistic ones and the fans are unrealistic. people go on about marketing, but name one other manufacturer that markets details regarding the engines etc. falcon advertising is out there. they are a lot more target specific now. i think they are well aware of who will buy their products. how many times do i read on here, 'if ford made x car, i would buy it yesterday'!! and yet they are content to drive around in 10yr old cars even though ford have produced much better cars every year since. some will never be happy and ranting and raving on a forum only adds to the problem. |
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19-05-2012, 11:19 PM | #44 | |||
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20-05-2012, 08:12 AM | #46 | |||
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20-05-2012, 08:33 AM | #47 | |||
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20-05-2012, 09:25 AM | #48 | ||
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Even at current sales levels, local Ford production is around $1.5 billion/year revenue stream,
with no replacement products in the wings, it's pretty obvious that Ford must keep building them. It's still valuable revenue to them and the pizzly $50 million tip in at 2014 is really a trifling amount in the great sense of things. Yes, we might be seeing a production wind down but the locals aren't gone yet... |
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20-05-2012, 09:41 AM | #49 | ||
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Let's be a little bit understanding here, Boss has lived for years with the specter of his job at Ford being extinguished.
If I were in his shoes, I probably feel the same anger and frustration in perceived missed opportunities, remembering that unlike the rest of us he has to live and breathe the Ford mantra every day and swallow low sales. That to him and his colleagues must be a real kick in the guts knowing they are producing quality products. |
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20-05-2012, 09:50 AM | #50 | ||
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on the other hand, word of mouth should never be underestimated. comments on public forums are there for all to see, including those doing a little online research about their next car.
the constant negativity and insinuations that ford is doomed in australia wouldn't go unnoticed. the product is a great product and too many people assume that because they don't see ads in their world that nothing is being done. they assume that because the people they contact don't know much about it that no one does. assumptions are the mother of all stuff ups. |
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20-05-2012, 11:57 AM | #51 | |||
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The large car market is changing, much more rapidly than Ford and Holden anticipated, Nothing much Ford and Holden can do about that, just sell what they can As for negative postings affecting sales, most people are literate enough to discern utter frustration from outright bagging of a product. Those that do any research on potential car purchases usually limit their surfing to Drive, GoAuto , Motor and Wheels. Those commentaries are of more significance than the ramblings of a few disgruntled employees on this site. Sometimes we take ourselves and our posts too seriously.......Me included. Every time I see a nice new SZ Territory or FG II, I smile and think there goes another one... |
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20-05-2012, 12:24 PM | #52 | ||
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jpd80 ..I see a lot more Euro Fords and Tezza's than FG2's...FG2's are as rare as rocking horse poop!!!!
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20-05-2012, 01:48 PM | #53 | |||
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20-05-2012, 03:20 PM | #54 | ||
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I'm fairly connected at ford and can tell you that those that I know and deal with have a very different outlook on their future and don't have the same concerns as those expressed on the forum. Obviously there are two distinct division at FoA, R&D and manufacturing. It's not hard to see who feel more at risk, rightly or wrongly, but it's a natural expression of emotion, especially when media, the public are all pretty much calling for the end of our manufacturing industry.
Unfortunately Ford just can't come out and give all the answers yet. In terms if seeing fg2's, I see quite a lot out there. |
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20-05-2012, 04:17 PM | #55 | |||
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also the commitment to building VF Commodore until 2017 or thereabouts, the latter is a gutsy move in the face of current flagging sales for large cars. I can understand why Ford is taking an eternity to reveal its future plan, the market has changed so much and it's important to really understand what it is that customers really want, we know the large car segment is reducing but it's also fair to ask if that is truly linked to other vehicle segments being better or just our large cars drifting away from size or features expected by buyers.. I think Ford knows what it wants but need to get its ducks in a row before revealing too much... Until any decision is announced all attention should be on locally built Falcon, Territory, and utility. Last edited by jpd80; 20-05-2012 at 04:24 PM. |
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