What Makes A Police Car Cost $120k ?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

I don’t think it is an offense, just not wise. But funny you mention this. A NSW police man did just that on the weekend & the car was stolen!! The crime even crashed into another cop car that needed towing back home as well!!

No it is an offence, from memory, $120 and 0 points

[MercurySilver]

i still cant believe its illegal to not lock your car

its your car ffs!!!!

handbrake not on is obvious

[Vesper Martini]

All those options and yet the cops are still allowed to use thier mobile without hands free!

[XR6T0Y]

I like how this is now just a Police bashing thread.......

[csv8]

Its not supposed to be a police bashing thread but people posting one rule for them and one for us !!!!

[graham7773]

AussieCJ7, some years ago driving a modofied LJ Torana on the Pacific Highway north of Sydney and before I got some sense I was travelling at about 140-150 when a Highway Patrol bike went past me in the opposite direction. Dual carriageway and he had to find a turning break. Having seen him, I slowed down to 110kph. Believe it or not, he caught up with me in 30 seconds. I cannot work it out but he must have been getting towards 200kph to do that. Yep I needed waking up and the fine went some way toward doing that but the Police equipment even back then was good. We can't winge about Police doing their jobs. Would anybody except criminals like there to be no Police? On topic I think, talking about what the Police are equiped with and what it costs.

[Neale]

I wonder if this one cost more than $120,000



I dont really have a problem with the cost of police cars, but if you want to see wasteage of money by the government check out the perks of the pollies & the money they get to transport themselfs & their family around.

http://www.finance.gov.au/parliament..._Ministers.pdf

[Peuty]

Nope, they were given that by Porsche.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by Neale

I wonder if this one cost more than $120,000

That looks more like something out of a comedy sketch!

This picture, from Europe, says a couple of things:



1. The patrol car is pretty low key, all that's necessary to do its job (including over 200 km/h speed)
2. A car is overtaking it, quite relaxed.

I won't say anything else, just read between the lines! And it's not Australian police-bashing, they're just doing the job they've been briefed to do, it's about the people who employ them and create the environment in which they work.

[sbutler]

Originally Posted by sneaky

Got to pay for the cop chip, cop tyres, cop brakes, cop suspension, etc

You forgot cop shocks & the 440 cubic inch..

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

All those options and yet the cops are still allowed to use thier mobile without hands free!

And just how does that affect your life??? If you are that desperate for it may be you can go to the police academy for 6 months or so at your cost, completed all the advanced driver training, go through 12 month or more of probationary work as a trainee police officer and then you too can talk on your mobile.....wow that would be exciting wouldn't it.

PS Police are also allowed to carry a loaded firearm in public as well as capsicum spray, hand cuffs, batons, police radios, they are allowed to drive above the speed limit, run red lights and stop signs, do U turns over unbroken centre lines, stop other vehicles, search persons, vehicles etc for drugs and weapons, arrest people, even shoot people as long as it is part of their duty and necessary to do their job.

So why you concerned about mobile phone use??? Is it because you took the chance and got a well deserved ticket and now look to blame someone else for your blatant disregard for the law that you very well knew??

[BJB]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

Don't forget alot of that gear gets transferred between many cars in its life... they don't just throw it away when the cars finished at 60,000 kms.

I see cops get out of cars all the time at the shops and leave them unlocked while they get their maccas or subway... If I leave my car unlocked its an offense...

What state is that law enacted.

In Vic it is an offence to leave your car unattended with the keys in it..or if you walk away from it ( being more than 3 metres from the car)

[BJB]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

And just how does that affect your life??? If you are that desperate for it may be you can go to the police academy for 6 months or so at your cost, completed all the advanced driver training, go through 12 month or more of probationary work as a trainee police officer and then you too can talk on your mobile.....wow that would be exciting wouldn't it.

PS Police are also allowed to carry a loaded firearm in public as well as capsicum spray, hand cuffs, batons, police radios, they are allowed to drive above the speed limit, run red lights and stop signs, do U turns over unbroken centre lines, stop other vehicles, search persons, vehicles etc for drugs and weapons, arrest people, even shoot people as long as it is part of their duty and necessary to do their job.

So why you concerned about mobile phone use??? Is it because you took the chance and got a well deserved ticket and now look to blame someone else for your blatant disregard for the law that you very well knew??

Police are exempt from using a mobile phone whilst driving and don't forget they have to use the radio also so there is no real difference. Often police will receive information/ converse with other units via a mobile phone. It just isn't a good look I am afraid as some people think they are just yacking away.

I have no doubt that some just yack away but they are exempt as long as they are on duty. It is a tool of their trade like all the other equipment they use.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by BJB

Police are exempt from using a mobile phone whilst driving and don't forget they have to use the radio also so there is no real difference. Often police will receive information/ converse with other units via a mobile phone. It just isn't a good look I am afraid as some people think they are just yacking away.

I have no doubt that some just yack away but they are exempt as long as they are on duty. It is a tool of their trade like all the other equipment they use.

Exactly my point! So if Bevsta007 is so keen to make work related mobile phone calls while driving a patrol car there is nothing stopping him from doing it apart from himself may be.

Originally Posted by BJB

What state is that law enacted.

In Vic it is an offence to leave your car unattended with the keys in it..or if you walk away from it ( being more than 3 metres from the car)

I know it is an offence in NSW to not secure vehicle.

Some interesting reading here, quite interesting what you can get tickets for:

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/usingroads...ts_general.pdf

[GTP-RPD]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

yea right they would really find it easy catching some moron speeding in his WRX , skyline, XR6 turbo etc if they were driving Prius

Yeah that makes sense? More speed to catch someone speeding. A standard cop cruiser wont catch one of these any way. High speed chases really work well as we have seen. NOT. As most cops say you can't beat a 2way radio. They have enough methods at their disposal to catch speeders.

I have seen cops in the US in police golf cars pull motorists over..funniest ***** I have ever seen.

[XR6T0Y]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

All those options and yet the cops are still allowed to use thier mobile without hands free!

Good thing the Police officer that attended my accident had a mobile phone. He got photos of the accident as they didn't have a camera, in which he then handed over the HP officers to look at.
Seriously, why is everyone so caught up in them being allowed to use their (well not theirs) mobile phone? It's like a builder not being allowed to use their hammer. It's a necessary item for their job.

[DDXR6T]

Originally Posted by XR6T0Y

I like how this is now just a Police bashing thread.......

That's pretty well the way of every Police based thread on car forums. The whole 'I hate the Police - until I need them' mentality.

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

And just how does that affect your life??? If you are that desperate for it may be you can go to the police academy for 6 months or so at your cost, completed all the advanced driver training, go through 12 month or more of probationary work as a trainee police officer and then you too can talk on your mobile.....wow that would be exciting wouldn't it.

PS Police are also allowed to carry a loaded firearm in public as well as capsicum spray, hand cuffs, batons, police radios, they are allowed to drive above the speed limit, run red lights and stop signs, do U turns over unbroken centre lines, stop other vehicles, search persons, vehicles etc for drugs and weapons, arrest people, even shoot people as long as it is part of their duty and necessary to do their job.

So why you concerned about mobile phone use??? Is it because you took the chance and got a well deserved ticket and now look to blame someone else for your blatant disregard for the law that you very well knew??

Bang on. In the event I need to answer my phone at work, it's kept short and sharp. If it isn't work calling, I'll call the person back at a better opportunity.

[GTP-RPD]

I wouldnt look at it as cop bashing...More like a concerned TAXPAYER wondering why the hell, MY TAXES go into a car loaded up to $120000. Show us the TAXPAYER the books, just how much do these bureaucrats spend and they are beaurecrats. To me this is excessive GOVCO spending. I would be asking what the ROI is on there fleets.

END OF RANT and bring on the election.

[malazn mafia]

Who insures police cars? Would imagine it would be a massive insurance bill, considering even insuring a taxi is very costly.

[xxx000]

usually self insured or through TMF (Treasury Managed Fund)

it's not like per vehicle either, it's a whole of fleet policy

[BJB]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

I don’t think it is an offense, just not wise. But funny you mention this. A NSW police man did just that on the weekend & the car was stolen!! The crime even crashed into another cop car that needed towing back home as well!!

The reason the cars are often left unlocked with motors running is that the span lights, computer, MMR , radio chew up the batteries very quickly and the car needs the alternator operating in order to keep the batteries charging. That is why in recent times the police cars have had twin batteries fitted due to the high demand on the electrical system , one to run the car, the other to run the accessories.

[bigsta]

Originally Posted by MercurySilver

errr
if you leave your car unlocked its an offense?

WTF?

That is a load of crap, seriously what sort of farkin nanny state are we living in.

was at the bottelo the other day and a guy who left his windows down got nabbed by the rangers from wavery council for just this while he was inside for 2 mins getting a case. $100 fine thank you.

Biggest load of ***** i have ever seen and i am outraged.

[BJB]

Originally Posted by bigsta

That is a load of crap, seriously what sort of farkin nanny state are we living in.

was at the bottelo the other day and a guy who left his windows down got nabbed by the rangers from wavery council for just this while he was inside for 2 mins getting a case. $100 fine thank you.

Biggest load of ***** i have ever seen and i am outraged.

Vic has it also, if you are more than 3 metres away from the unlocked car. It has been in the statute books for years. If you are outraged send a letter to your local MP.

[66GT]

I am also guilty of leaving the windows down & car unlocked at times, however I understand the unlocked rule was introduced to reduce car theft. I also recall some years ago a mate of dad's was refused an insurance payout for his stolen car because he left it unsecured.
I also believe that most police are hard working, honest trustworthy family people often doing a hard job most of us would not dare do. Unfortunitally the people who create the laws we are all meant to follow are the same idots who allow undesirables to walk out of court with punishments that don't fit the crime & generally offer little deterant to repeat or step up their criminal activities. So the police are undertaking the job they are paid to do.

[The Monty]

Originally Posted by BJB

The reason the cars are often left unlocked with motors running is that the span lights, computer, MMR , radio chew up the batteries very quickly and the car needs the alternator operating in order to keep the batteries charging. That is why in recent times the police cars have had twin batteries fitted due to the high demand on the electrical system , one to run the car, the other to run the accessories.

Plus even if it is unlocked, the Queensland cars have an "Anti-theft" thing, so as soon as it clicks into a gear, it shuts down.

[tezxr8man]

Originally Posted by icer

hang on a minute.....

$120,000.....AND they still get Traffic Cones?


IMO they need to invest in china + ebay more to get the price of 120k to 80k.

I think they want their stuff to last as long as needed rather than as long as it takes to insatall, they would probably want the right stuff in the first place, and how does an Australian government department help the Australian economy if they buy ebay cr*p from china?????

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by GTP-RPD

I wouldnt look at it as cop bashing...More like a concerned TAXPAYER wondering why the hell, MY TAXES go into a car loaded up to $120000. Show us the TAXPAYER the books, just how much do these bureaucrats spend and they are beaurecrats. To me this is excessive GOVCO spending. I would be asking what the ROI is on there fleets.

END OF RANT and bring on the election.

In your opinion, what is your area of expertise that qualifies you to deem what is excessive expenditure in law enforcement and what is not? Any item procured by any police, ambulance or fire service is approved at departmental level in consultation with the respective government, not just picked up from the local autobarn on a whim.

If you are really that worried, do the correct thing and request the information from your respective police service under the freedom of information act (or state equivalent). You have a right to the information and through the correct channels you will receive it, a lot quicker than you will through a rant here.

$120k for a HWP car as a replacement for a total loss (routine replacement is not a total loss and does not cost that much) does not seem very high to me. Just the radio fit would be in the region of $5k alone. Have you bought a ballistic vest recently, they cost a fortune alone? Our normal ambulances (Merc 319) cost in the vicinity of $250k, $120k for a HWP car sounds reasonable to me.

Strange how any thread that even mentions the police here ends up a cop bashing thread.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by BJB

The reason the cars are often left unlocked with motors running is that the span lights, computer, MMR , radio chew up the batteries very quickly and the car needs the alternator operating in order to keep the batteries charging. That is why in recent times the police cars have had twin batteries fitted due to the high demand on the electrical system , one to run the car, the other to run the accessories.

That makes sense to me.

We often leave ambulances running as scene lights, emergency beacons, radio, MDT and other ancillary devices will kill a battery in under 30 mins (we are often on scene for 30 mins stabilising the patient) and that is with twin batteries. Of course we avoid this when we can and lock the vehicle when there is no need to keep the engine running.

On the older Mercs we had idle hold which meant we could leave the engine running and lock the vehicle. Now with the new electronic plug in keys in the new mercs you can not do that so you have to leave the key in the vehicle to leave the engine running.

Any car should be able to be left unlocked, particularly police, ambulance and fire vehicles. Lets not forget it is the thieves that are in the wrong here.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by GTP-RPD

I wouldnt look at it as cop bashing...More like a concerned TAXPAYER wondering why the hell, MY TAXES go into a car loaded up to $120000. Show us the TAXPAYER the books, just how much do these bureaucrats spend and they are beaurecrats. To me this is excessive GOVCO spending. I would be asking what the ROI is on there fleets.

END OF RANT and bring on the election.

Being public service there is really no need to look at ROI... They are there to serve a purpose... Most police cars don't need new equipment as its transferred from the last vehicle... A standard commodore omega with safety pack probably costs the gov 25k as they get fleet, gst exemption and stamp duty exemption. To put it on the road would probably cost about a weeks labour and $1,500 worth of stickers. Say another $1,000 for trims any loose bits... Total cost $30,000 plus let's say they get 6 years out of the radios and other equipment which probably costs no more then $40,000 on a standard spec general duty car... Amortise that over 6 years and lets say each car lasts only 2 then that portion to that specific car is $13,333. Total cost for this car in its 2 years service is $43,333 less $14,000 back on it is only a touch under $30,000 for 2 years service.

[geckoGT]

Stop using logic DashGT, no place for it in a cop bashing thread.

The police were obviously talking total loss replacement cost and onto going costs. The problem is that little truth is not as much fun is it?