Mazda 3 Vs EF 4L - Page 2

BlueRaven · 08-06-2006, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadman

Yes we were talking about it because it was never clarified which model of Mazda3 by the OP.

If it was the SP23 and a Man, then the Mazda gets it. SP23 Auto - lineball, any other Mazda3 with the 2.0L engine and the Falcon wins.

Simple.

29 posts later and this is the best anwer to the question..

EFFalcon · 08-06-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

And the SP23 is not the 2.0 is it? The SP23 is the more powerful, bigger, 2.3 litre. Are we talking about it? NO!

And just because you got beaten by a Mazda 3 once, that means that every time a Mazda 3 races an EF, it will win? Riiight... :alien2:

actually twice
i'd rather go from my real life example then simply comparing specs.
and i wasnt beaten by a SP23, just a normal 3.

show me where you've had or seen similar experiement and i'll beleive you

I'm not sayin the EF will lose all the time, simply that the 3 has a bit more go in it then everyones giving it credit for.

Hotwire · 08-06-2006, 01:02 PM

Well owning both an SP23 sedan manual, and an EFII Fairmont Ghia Manual with extractors and Cam, I can vouch for which is faster in my stable :LOL:

But compared to a stock EF, the SP23 is much more fun. However from my Garage, each has its own good points. EF - straight line car, SP23 - Hills thrash car.

Why do people insist on comparing cars designed for different purposes? ie. Mazda KNOWN for good handling, Ford KNOWN for straight line and towing.

Lukeyson · 08-06-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotwire

Why do people insist on comparing cars designed for different purposes?

Because people love to be retarded and argue..... its human nature

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Pedro · 08-06-2006, 01:54 PM

Well my wife's car is an SP23 and my previous car was an AU 111 VCT Tickford Fairmont Ghia ( now an F6 ). We live on Tamborine Mountain and I can tell you the SP23 ate the AU for breakfast going up the mountain.

sven · 08-06-2006, 02:00 PM

i'm agreeing with EFFalcon on this one. my mum has a STOCK Manual Mazda 3 (not SP23) and i've got the ED with T5 and exhaust. when we have a run (my dad driving the mazda) we are dead even then i only just pull away in the top end. if your talking an auto falcon the stock mazda 3 will eat it up.

You Yangs · 08-06-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveO_SP

So how do you think mine would go vs a mazda 3 with the mods in my sig and the car only having done 80k feeling alot stronger than the day we got it in 96? A win to the mazda or me... One of my mates has a mazda 3 (auto) but have never lined him up... He's not the dragging type.

I reckon your custom grill will get you over the line! LOL

**Polyal** · 08-06-2006, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EFFalcon

actually twice
i'd rather go from my real life example then simply comparing specs.
and i wasnt beaten by a SP23, just a normal 3.

show me where you've had or seen similar experiement and i'll beleive you

I'm not sayin the EF will lose all the time, simply that the 3 has a bit more go in it then everyones giving it credit for.

Where you on LPG? You should have known better...lol

It heavily depends on the driver to, 1/4 falcons wins no worries, but around town on off the lights the 3 will lick you.

These new 4 cyinders have alot more go than people give them credit for. Ive never really driven a hot hatch, but my GF's 2000 model Barina (thats the opel one) feels quickish off the mark when no one else is in with me. To be honest I have more fun these days zipping around in her car than mine....I really need a T5 again

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GTS_300_Coupe · 08-06-2006, 06:25 PM

I'd go with the Mazda 3 in this instance.
However, if you are talking about a manual EF in the right hands then the Falcon will win but an auto falcon will get beaten by a manual mazda 3.

Just like EFFalcon said, I also go by real world experience rather than "on paper" comparisons.

Jet-Star · 08-06-2006, 06:38 PM

Hmm oh well looks like the Mazda has the potentional to be quicker, No skin off my nose I was never claiming to him that Falcons are the fastest thing around.. I'm looking forward to seing what excuses he can come up with when I flog his VK.

EFFalcon · 08-06-2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Where you on LPG? You should have known better...lol

It heavily depends on the driver to, 1/4 falcons wins no worries, but around town on off the lights the 3 will lick you.

These new 4 cyinders have alot more go than people give them credit for. Ive never really driven a hot hatch, but my GF's 2000 model Barina (thats the opel one) feels quickish off the mark when no one else is in with me. To be honest I have more fun these days zipping around in her car than mine....I really need a T5 again

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whats LPG got to do with anything? ;)
you've gotta remember that in SOME cars, LPG performs better then Petrol!
like mine hehe

RPO83 · 08-06-2006, 07:03 PM

Mazda 3 Neo manual weighs a minimum of 2214kg if we want to be more technical....

I'd put money on the Mazda.

crusher · 08-06-2006, 07:09 PM

Dad has a Mazda 3 and I drive it around a fair bit. If you think you can easily beat one youd be surprised. They are bloody quick. Dads is the 3 maxx so it has slightly bigger tyres as well. Just that little bit more traction.

I had a short run with an ef/l xr8 entering onto roe highway from great eastern (turning left up the bridge for those who know the area) and i was infront of him untill I slowed at 110 and he kept going.

Sure down the quarter the falcon would probably win, but on the street I think thanks to the gearing (talking manual here) I think many a time the falcon would get beaten.

Bossxr8 · 08-06-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RPO83

Mazda 3 Neo manual weighs a minimum of 2214kg if we want to be more technical....

I'd put money on the Mazda.

How technical can you be when a Mazda 3 weighs more than a Territory. You have got the numbers in the wrong order. 1214kg ?.

Steffo · 09-06-2006, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RPO83

Mazda 3 Neo manual weighs a minimum of 2214kg if we want to be more technical....

I'd put money on the Mazda.

The spec page I read (on Carsales Research cars) said 1195-1206kg. 1200 was about in the middle, so I used that.

**Polyal** · 09-06-2006, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by EFFalcon

whats LPG got to do with anything? ;)
you've gotta remember that in SOME cars, LPG performs better then Petrol!
like mine hehe

Thats true, my first EA ran better on LPG than petrol, but was gutless as poo; my opinion has been tarnished...lol

09-06-2006, 12:46 AM

I own a new model manual Focus, before that I came out of a EF 4L auto

Now considering the 2.0 Focus and 3 2.0 Engines are the same (Mazda has VCT, where the Focus has 107kw from a cam to suit 2500+rpm power), on the quarter mile it would be very very close. 0-130 Focus way out front, due to the close ratio gearbox (100kmh is around 3000rpm) as well as a peaky powerband (power from 2500 to 6000+), whereas the Falcon after 130 starts reeling in the Focus due to having more torque around the rev range.

Depending on the driver it can go either way.

chich · 10-06-2006, 01:57 PM

You'd be surprised at how nimble a manual 3 is. My mate did a track day with his 3 at Sandown and was posting lap times within a few seconds of a modded XR6T (220rwkw). As you'd expect the T would eat him down the straights but the 3 could brake later and hold more speed through the corners. Having been in the thing i can tell you it sticks to the ground very very well. EF vs 3? In the twisties the 3 would most likely win but straight line might be a different story..

MITCHAY · 10-06-2006, 02:08 PM

If you think the Mazda3 is good now, well apparently there is a Mazda3 MPS comming out. 184kw and 0-100 in 6.1 secs. Mazda sure knows how to build a car. I should know how good, I own one and it's a ripper. I hope the MPS is not to expensive cause I will get one if I can afford it.

UNR8D · 10-06-2006, 02:33 PM

AWD territory vs mazda 3 auto

Territory 1 mazda none ;) done at a private race track x3 just to make sure...:P

in manual he would have eaten me alive i have driven a few to know how these things go, and in SP23 would wave bye bye to any stock falcon and give an ef xr6 auto a hurry up.

Bucket · 11-06-2006, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Lets see now... EF GLi (I'm assuming auto here) vs Mazda 3 2.0 (I'm assuming manual).

Ok the Mazda 3 has...

104kW @ 6500rpm and 181Nm @ 4500rpm weighing in at 1200kg.

The EF GLi has, as we should all know...

157kW @ 4900rpm and 357Nm @ 3000rpm weighing in at 1560kg.

Finally he shows!!
and i wasnt to far off the mark either!!

nb_351 · 11-06-2006, 09:16 AM

the mazda 3 mps is due sometime in the next month or two, and will be around 40 grand, little less then the xr5 turbo...
wont be 4wd though, so imagine the torque steer... unless theyve done something about it...

Bossxr8 · 11-06-2006, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by nb_351

the mazda 3 mps is due sometime in the next month or two, and will be around 40 grand, little less then the xr5 turbo...
wont be 4wd though, so imagine the torque steer... unless theyve done something about it...

How will it be a little less than the XR5 if that is 36k. It will be at least 5 grand more expensive.

nb_351 · 13-06-2006, 05:40 PM

point taken... as far as i was aware, the mps and the xr5 were approx 40 grand...
but you learn something new everyday...

MITCHAY · 13-06-2006, 06:17 PM

Dammit I've only got 30k! Oh wells maybe by the time the TX5 dies I would have enough.

needaXYGT · 04-10-2006, 10:50 PM

id reakon technology difference doesnt always matter. me and a few mates were drinving around in a 2001 BMW 320i and came to a set of traffic lights. we were up against a 98 lancer, a normal lancer with mags a spoiler. we asked the guy what gearbox he was running (something you usually wouldnt do but we did anyways) we were both auto's. strangly enough, the lancer pulled away from us. and now ill wait for someone to disagree with me and say how it isnt possible.

uranium_death · 04-10-2006, 11:15 PM

Mazda 3s suck. THey're little bombs that everybody loves, but where's the culture? Where's the cult?

That's why I love Ford. Because the cult continues, and I have the opportunity to be part of it.

Steffo · 05-10-2006, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by uranium_death

Mazda 3s suck. THey're little bombs that everybody loves, but where's the culture? Where's the cult?

That's why I love Ford. Because the cult continues, and I have the opportunity to be part of it.

That's pretty funny. You know why?

When you pick apart a Mazda 3 you'll find...

A Ford 2.0 Duratec engine from the Focus or a Ford 2.3 Duratec engine in the SP23, and a Turbo version of that 2.3 Duratec in the MPS.

A Ford manual or automatic transmission, Ford Focus chassis, Ford Focus brakes, they even share the same size tyres.

The car is a Ford Focus.

Oh and... talk about thread mining :yeees:

XR8-260 · 05-10-2006, 04:34 AM

It's all about the gearing...

The 4spd autos in the non-XR falcons are mediocre. The only way an EF could be a manual mazda 3 is if it were exceed the legal limit.

I raced a '99 Merc E240 (my dad) in my '02 BA and we were pretty much lineball to 80 and then I caned it. So unless I exceed the speed limit of 80 then my falc isn't much faster at all.

Reason: BA falc - diff ratio 3.23/extremely tall 1st gear.

Merc E240 - diff ratio - 3.67 - 5spd auto

RAMD67 · 05-10-2006, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

That's pretty funny. You know why?

When you pick apart a Mazda 3 you'll find...

A Ford 2.0 Duratec engine from the Focus or a Ford 2.3 Duratec engine in the SP23, and a Turbo version of that 2.3 Duratec in the MPS.

A Ford manual or automatic transmission, Ford Focus chassis, Ford Focus brakes, they even share the same size tyres.

The car is a Ford Focus.

Oh and... talk about thread mining :yeees:

Or is the Focus just lots of Mazda pieces

I have a SP23 and they are quick enough...In stock form with a good driver low 15s are possible. In the US they are getting low 14s with bolt ons.

I easily stay neck to neck with my old man's XR6 and then kill him through the twisties

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On a EuroFord cruise we compared the new focus with my 3 and there are lots a similarities down to crease lines, doors, etc there are so many its not funny.