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I'm really hoping this whole ute and SUV thing comes full circle because apart from the fact I don't want one we have more useless people in these things who have no fear of anything who'd be less dangerous in a sedan or hatch. Doubt it will happen anytime soon.
Cut off by a Ranger and Prado in a row the other day in a gap I wouldn't even try to. I'd like to say **** it but I'd be on the losing side of that argument ![]() |
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![]() I question the people who think it's a good idea to have a $20,000 gearbox that can change gears in .00000000000001 seconds in a cheap car that has 100KW, that's most likely going to spend its time going between traffic lights at 50km/h with an average journey length of 7km. Torque converter auto works pretty good in that use case for those who can't change their own gears. In fact torque converter auto is pretty much peak gearbox, reliable, works well, nice driving manners, cheap and proven. Given the imminent economic doom we're about to hit, I wonder if there's going to be a market for cheap basic new cars. Or we're just going to double down and we'll have $150,000 Ford Ranger and everyone else on foot ![]() Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 05-07-2024 at 09:20 PM. |
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Seriously, one C2 plant in Thailand serving the Asia Pacific Africa region would make a huge difference It could build multiple C2 models down the one line, Maverick, an SUV, even a Focus… Last edited by jpd80; 06-07-2024 at 10:30 AM. |
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Solid Axel Front End, EcoBoost Motor with a bit more power than a Jimny, build a ton of customisable options and you have a winner. It would only need a 5 Speed Auto / 6 Speed Manual to also smash the Jimny, which is hardly hi-tech. Keep it Simple Stupid. KISS Principle Like seriously are they brain dead? they have so much opportunity staring them in the face. People would love them. ![]()
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Then someone like Toyota refreshes the Hilux and will threaten the Ranger and Everest with a newer platform. |
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I would hope that the success of Ranger and Everest actually gives
Ford Australia a bigger say in more products for out region. If Ford was to consider what other products make sense for out region, I think they would find that Maverick, Bronco Sport and maybe Focus Hatchback would make a lot of sense especially if sold with two power trains, 2.5 hybrid and 2.0 Ecoboost. |
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1.5L Ecoboost 3cyl with 8sp torque converter auto - living the dream. I'd like to see the Maverick here, slot in underneath the Ranger, its perfect for the 'outdoorsy' type millennial, could convert some RAV4 sales I reckon if they have something that doesn't steer like the Titanic like the Ranger. Soft-roader spec ute that you can chuck surfboards and other outdoorsy crap in while its still nicer to live with on a daily basis, with ground clearance to tackle stuff like rutted dirt roads, a vehicle for people who aren't butch Lesbians (Subaru Outback). |
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Stop press: New Ford small car scooped being tested in Australia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1DZ2H296gg “We have to start to get back in love with smaller vehicles."
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SA wagon with the 182hp 1.5L Dragon 3cyl which they shipped here was a good thing, pity they canned it.
Overseas news says that Focus is gone completely by 2025, so how does that fit in with Mr Farley's announcement? It's like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.
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Soon to be installed in an suv - some sort of Haval H6 GT perhaps. |
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Farley's an idiot, he keeps telling everyone in North America how good Electric cars are & then cancels a shift at the assembly plant
Never seen a more 2 faced CEO ever! Very happy I sold my shares 3 years ago |
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Hi guys,
i dont want to sound negative but i dont care much on what Ford in the USA are doing or not doing. We all have different ideas and i think the worst thing that Ford Australia did was kill the Ford Falcon and the Ford station wagon They were great cars, the goverment departments brought the falcons, the Police had falcons and they went for ever. Then of course Ford stopped making the Ford Mondeo, which i might ad i still have mine. I dont think everybody want an SUV, and iam aware that the order came from Ford in USA to kill the Falcon etc but ithink they made a big mistake. |
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Its been a debacle for sometime. They have cut so so many models and abroad, factories, poured a shed load and more into EV.. Stopped productions, change tunes now talking small cars back up whilst they have the biggest pick up seller forever in a day that keeps them going. Can't make this up eh lol..... They have majority voting power in their hands. At least he hasn't been stooopind enough to change Mustang yet ?????
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When was the last decent Ford Australia CEO - Geoff Polities? |
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Err… The four door electric Mustang is quite a departure.
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Departure alright, departure from common sense, price it $15,000 above the Tesla Model Y then wonder why it sells nothing.
Ford is the GWM of EVs, has training wheels on and is trying to command premium pricing against the established market leader whose $15,000 cheaper for a superior product. |
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that wasn't even worth mentioning in my post I was more making the point its still a V8 and been confirmed going ahead - even though words is just that from the big guys more and more today.
The MachE is an orphin and feck all in the big picture for Exports let alone USA sales just over 20k units '24 to date is sweet fa and glad.
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He was brilliant for us fighting for our product (territory all too late he fought for the opponents were already in the market ) in the end didn't matter. Its the fish's head that has always hamstrung other markets that could have done so much more but USA culture comes first even at a loss.
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![]() Speaking of China, these Ford China figures were posted on Blue Oval News, not much to show for all the money spent, Mach E looks like a waste of time. Just saw there’s a few lines of key product sales missing so maybe that would make a huge difference to monthly sales numbers. Last edited by jpd80; 10-07-2024 at 05:03 PM. |
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All those vehicles going to waste….
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We could have kept Falcon going, but it would have needed significant investment to keep the 4.0 running at Euro 5, or investment to change the powertrain. Neither of which Ford US would approve. Territory was still selling well, and could have lasted a good few more years with investment, but again, Ford US wouldn't approve. Frankly, I think we only lasted as long as we did here as we had an absolute star of an advocate in Trevor Worthington. Interestingly, last year's big job cuts only happened after he retired...... coincidence? |
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E8 (Falcon / Territory) was selling at 80 a day in 2016, and that included Territory. Local produced Ford sales were abysmal, the problem was the “foreign competition”, and the market being fractured to many “smaller” volume brand sales. The local production volume here required for the plants was a MINIMUM volume of 120,000 per year ( the investment was not justified ), it is NOT about some “boogeyman” in the US, or Trevor retiring. The market moved on, and the consumer spoke. Ford reacted. |
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that seemed unimpressed by LWB Mondeo, then CD4 Taurus and finally, C2 Mondeo. Look at all the other C2 models sold there as well as the evolved from CD4s and imagine the possibilities but I guess Ford will let it all grind to dust before they ever export to RHD countries like us. With the right vehicles here Ford could pinch a lot more SUV sales form the likes of Mazda and Toyota |
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The same thing is happening in all areas of business, the accountants run the show.
Yes, they need to make money but when engineers are fighting for a $1 bolt and the accountants have only allowed 50c............ The heads of companies, these days, are puppets for accountants!! |
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