Vfacts June 2021 Ford finishes 3rd - Page 2

Rob 351 · 06-07-2021, 10:30 AM

And my sons little bride bought a Puma. Nice little car IMO.

**Dave R** · 06-07-2021, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XR Martin

The Pajero Sport has an 8 speed Aisin auto, the 200 has just a 6 speed.

However the Hilux and Triton both use a 6 speed Aisin transmission. (which is different to the 200s)

From 2015 the Land Cruiser got the 8 speed is my understanding.

AE80F
8-speed automatic transmission

2015–present Lexus LX 570
2015–present Land Cruiser J200
2015–present Mitsubishi Pajero Sport

XR Martin · 06-07-2021, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

From 2015 the Land Cruiser got the 8 speed is my understanding.

AE80F
8-speed automatic transmission

2015–present Lexus LX 570
2015–present Land Cruiser J200
2015–present Mitsubishi Pajero Sport

Not in Australia and not on the diesel.
Only the 5.7s

**Dave R** · 06-07-2021, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Not in Australia and not on the diesel.
Only the 5.7s

Correct, PS has the same 8 speed trans as the 200 series Cruiser.

When I test drove the PS the trans was definitely a highlight of the package, very well tuned. Wasn't the biggest fan of the 10 speed in Everest for the same reason I'm on the fence about it in my Mustang, it's a little busy. Although I don't think it really bothers the average cat if recent sales are anything to go by.

Crazy Dazz · 06-07-2021, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Ranger 4x2 isn't very popular, why does everyone want the 4x4 variation? Surely not everyone is bashing around off road where the extra diff is an extra expense and service requirement you don't need.

A lot are fleet sales, into mining companies, rentals companies, etc. And a lot are tradies that work on building sites. Even on the mines, you don't need 4wd 99% of the time, but for the 1% you do, it's a good thing to have.
Same for tradies.
And yes, a lot of private buyers are going for the machismo, and 2wd is for "Sheilas, Wogs, and Poofters"

bathurst77 · 06-07-2021, 01:57 PM

Kia cerato now aust best selling car followed by i30
corolla a distant 3rd

The rest of the top 10 arent cars, they are light trucks
OK maybe the cx5 or rav4 might be cars, which would make cx5 best seller

Bossxr8 · 06-07-2021, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

I looked at that segment last year and was surprised how good the PS was. I don't think it's the best in any one area but there's basically no flaws in the package, just does everything well, I can see why they sell a lot of them. Really good diesel and auto combo, particularly for towing (same trans as 200 series cruiser, proper cooling setup etc), the 2L/10 speed in Everest is quite busy by comparison and would not be my first choice for towing, I'd prefer the 'lesser' 3.2L which doesn't seem to hunt for torque.

PS also has the most versatile 4wd system in the segment, centre unlockable diff so can run 2wd/4wd high, competitors are either 2wd high only or 4wd high only on sealed roads. Interior also quite good, differentiated from its ute cousin, things like LCD cluster on the upper model were nice whereas I believe Everest was basically a Ranger inside. At 60k d/a for the fully loaded model they're incredibly good value. For what they're asking for top spec Everest you're paying Prado money for something a bit narrow based on a dual cab, that was my gripe. Although Everest is surprisingly refined and the introduction of the Sport model has helped sales immensely I think.

Wheels has an Everest, PS, Fortuner, D-Max comparo in it’s latest issue.

A few quotes.

Everest - “it is by far the best in class”

PS - “good, honest showing. Too bad it’s so dreary”

Fortuner - “shows it’s age and limitations in too many areas”

D-Max - “just too creaky to properly compete”.

BENT_8 · 06-07-2021, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bathurst77

Kia cerato now aust best selling car followed by i30
corolla a distant 3rd

My Daughter has a current model Cerato Sedan, great car, been faultless. Unfortunately it suffered massive frontal damage from hitting a roo on Sunday evening whilst doing 105k/hr.
Front bar, RH headlight, parker, indicator, fog, mirror, bonnet and hinges, radiator support, windscreen and both gaurds.

Big question now is, are there enough parts in the country to repair it or will it be written off.
If they write it off, can Kia supply another in a short time frame or will she be looking at other options.

XR Martin · 06-07-2021, 03:44 PM

Parts supply has little to do with whether it'll be written off or not.
Insurance company won't care if it takes 6 months to fix, as long as it's cheaper than replacing it.

naddis01 · 06-07-2021, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Even on the mines, you don't need 4wd 99% of the time, but for the 1% you do, it's a good thing to have.

At our site, all of our vehicles are put into 4L and the gear selector is removed. So they spend their life in low range.

**DFB FGXR6** · 06-07-2021, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

And yes, a lot of private buyers are going for the machismo, and 2wd is for "Sheilas, Wogs, and Poofters"

Mmmm, ok?

I will say that my 4x2 Ranger gets more work done than the useless double cabs that end up having to tow a trailer around to actually do any work.

Dr Smith · 06-07-2021, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BENT_8

My Daughter has a current model Cerato Sedan, great car, been faultless. Unfortunately it suffered massive frontal damage from hitting a roo on Sunday evening whilst doing 105k/hr.
Front bar, RH headlight, parker, indicator, fog, mirror, bonnet and hinges, radiator support, windscreen and both gaurds.

Big question now is, are there enough parts in the country to repair it or will it be written off.
If they write it off, can Kia supply another in a short time frame or will she be looking at other options.

I hope she is OK...

BENT_8 · 06-07-2021, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I hope she is OK...

A bit shaken up but physically fine, so too were the passengers, cheers for asking.

**anobserver** · 06-07-2021, 06:46 PM

Thats good to hear. I hit a roo at similar speed and its a disconcerting experience.

Didnt do much for the rental car, either.

Dr Smith · 06-07-2021, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BENT_8

A bit shaken up but physically fine, so too were the passengers, cheers for asking.

I laugh about it now however my wife and I were driving just after dusk on a South Australian country road and a bloody horse came out of the side road, obviously spooked but I had nowhere to go, just braked as hard as possible and prayed....luckily all survived apart from my jocks.

Franco Cozzo · 06-07-2021, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Mmmm, ok?

image

I will say that my 4x2 Ranger gets more work done than the useless double cabs that end up having to tow a trailer around to actually do any work.

image

image

The mighty Sheila's, Wogs and Poofters club

How is it like to live with? Especially unloaded or is it basically never unloaded lol

prydey · 06-07-2021, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The mighty Sheila's, Wogs and Poofters club

How is it like to live with? Especially unloaded or is it basically never unloaded lol

You're talking about the ute right...

Franco Cozzo · 06-07-2021, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prydey

You're talking about the ute right...

Except on Friday nights, thats how I'm saving up for me house!

Interested in 4x2 Ranger feedback, I've driven a lot of the 4x4 variations of all the Thailand Specials in dual cab but no 4x2 variations, they'd be a bit lighter with the single cab, the tray and just the one diff.

Also whats the advantage of a 4x2 Ranger vs Falcon ute with a tray (you could buy both concurrently when the Falcon was still being made)

**Dave R** · 06-07-2021, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Wheels has an Everest, PS, Fortuner, D-Max comparo in it’s latest issue.

A few quotes.

Everest - “it is by far the best in class”

PS - “good, honest showing. Too bad it’s so dreary”

Fortuner - “shows it’s age and limitations in too many areas”

D-Max - “just too creaky to properly compete”.

I think that's about right, Everest is far more car-like than the others and is a solid package overall, while PS doesn't really put a foot wrong and I think the value proposition sways a lot of people.

In terms of monthly sales, more than likely Mitsubishi are having a lot of success with the flagship grade PS robbing sales from low-mid spec Everest. If you have the budget for an Everest Titanium ($20k more), I don't think the PS is a factor, but I'd guess that quite a few people looking at low-mid spec Everest at around the $65k mark end up shopping it against the $60k PS Exceed and the inclusions would sway plenty of them. Stuff like heated seats, blind spot monitoring, rear cross traffic alert etc are standard on the PS but you won't see them in an Everest unless you go all the way to Titanium. It also has a few things that aren't in the Everest catalogue, like 360 degree cameras, digital cluster, 10 year warranty etc. I expect we'll see that sort of stuff in the all-new model next year and if Ford bring some of the equipment into the mid range I think PS might be in trouble.

**DFB FGXR6** · 06-07-2021, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Except on Friday nights, thats how I'm saving up for me house!

Interested in 4x2 Ranger feedback, I've driven a lot of the 4x4 variations of all the Thailand Specials in dual cab but no 4x2 variations, they'd be a bit lighter with the single cab, the tray and just the one diff.

Also whats the advantage of a 4x2 Ranger vs Falcon ute with a tray (you could buy both concurrently when the Falcon was still being made)

My Ranger is a 2016, sometimes I regret not getting a base Falcon ute instead, mainly for the extra comfort, an automatic gearbox and the Barra.

But the Ranger was cheaper to buy and cheaper to fuel.

BENT_8 · 06-07-2021, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I laugh about it now however my wife and I were driving just after dusk on a South Australian country road and a bloody horse came out of the side road, obviously spooked but I had nowhere to go, just braked as hard as possible and prayed....luckily all survived apart from my jocks.

I saw the result of an XD-F falcon and a horse once, not pretty to see nothing above the window sills, of car and driver..

au2000 · 06-07-2021, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Mmmm, ok?

image

I will say that my 4x2 Ranger gets more work done than the useless double cabs that end up having to tow a trailer around to actually do any work.

image

image

As a plumber, my son would agree, initially loved having a new duel cab d-max and his work mates were jealous he got it and they still had their single cab falcons, now he hates it, calls it the poser tradies Ute as he constantly needs to tow a trailer on site while they just load up the flat tray falcons they still have,

jpd80 · 07-07-2021, 07:16 AM

One of the biggest impediments to Ford getting more 4x2 sales is clearly price; Hilux workmate
comes with a tray and sells drive away for less than $30k, a comparable Ranger wth Tray and
is nearly $6,000 dearer but yes, it comes with a diesel.

Interesting that sales of Transit Custom lifted last month, delivery van services are growing
but I wonder if some trades and services would consider as well, just a thought…..

au2000 · 07-07-2021, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpd80

One of the biggest impediments to Ford getting more 4x2 sales is clearly price; Hilux workmate
comes with a tray and sells drive away for less than $30k, a comparable Ranger wth Tray and
is nearly $6,000 dearer but yes, it comes with a diesel.

Interesting that sales of Transit Custom lifted last month, delivery van services are growing
but I wonder if some trades and services would consider as well, just a thought…..

Well put simply id say yes, the d-max (1 of only 2 twin cabs they have) is being handed back over and being given to the other office manager in the next few weeks and being replaced by 1 of the 7 new hiace vans his firm ordered, which are just being kitted out with shelving, roof racks etc which are also replacing the last of the bf and fg utes they have.. dont know what the price difference between a hiace and a transit is but they are in a process to replace all of their older vehicles with vans from here on in

jpd80 · 07-07-2021, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by au2000

Well put simply id say yes, the d-max (1 of only 2 twin cabs they have) is being handed back over and being given to the other office manager in the next few weeks and being replaced by 1 of the 7 new hiace vans his firm ordered, which are just being kitted out with shelving, roof racks etc which are also replacing the last of the bf and fg utes they have.. dont know what the price difference between a hiace and a transit is but they are in a process to replace all of their older vehicles with vans from here on in

Thanks for that feedback, I’m betting the Hiace is priced lower than Transit Custom but maybe
it’s more that familiarity with the Toyota brand and understanding the importance of that.
Culturally, tradies have always gone for utes but now we’re seeing some change to vans that
allow more enclosed storage, security of tools and equipment is another big selling point….
Maybe it just takes time for vans to catch on……..

Smoke Pursuit · 07-07-2021, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpd80

There’s two ways to get a non-FBT vehicle, either 4x4 or one Tonne rating.

4x4 gives people buying the highly popular crew cabs a non-FBT vehicle,
that adds up to a sizeable cost saving for companies and small business.

The days of most tradies buying a cheap one tonne single cab are in the past.

Yeh nah that isn't correct RE: FBT.

https://www.ato.gov.au/law/view/docu...20200129000001

Reason why Ranger 4x2 doesn't sell is because ford do not push it or bother stocking it in any reasonable quantity.

naddis01 · 07-07-2021, 01:52 PM

Do you guys realise the vast majority of Ranger 4x2s sold are actually high riders not the budget low riders? With around half of those being the XLT version which are probably about $56k according to the Ford website.

jpd80 · 07-07-2021, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by naddis01

Do you guys realise the vast majority of Ranger 4x2s sold are actually high riders not the budget low riders? With around half of those being the XLT version which are probably about $56k according to the Ford website.

The point of my post was to show why Toyota gets so many of those 4x2 sales
and given the sales profile of Ranger 4x4, it wouldn’t surprise in the slightest
to learn that the sales profile of Ranger 4x2 is in the $45k to $60k zone with
the entry point low rider utes making up a minuscule amount of sales.

jpd80 · 07-07-2021, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Yeh nah that isn't correct RE: FBT.

https://www.ato.gov.au/law/view/docu...20200129000001

I am correct, it’s just that almost everyone who claims a 4x4 Ute as non-FBT
lies about the amount of private usage. Equally, the tax dept doesn’t police it.

Re 2x4 sales,
There’s no great hoard of walk in buyers waiting to buy 4x2 Rangers, they’re ordered case by case.

au2000 · 07-07-2021, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpd80

Thanks for that feedback, I’m betting the Hiace is priced lower than Transit Custom but maybe
it’s more that familiarity with the Toyota brand and understanding the importance of that.
Culturally, tradies have always gone for utes but now we’re seeing some change to vans that
allow more enclosed storage, security of tools and equipment is another big selling point….
Maybe it just takes time for vans to catch on……..

my son had a previous gen hiace for a few weeks, loved that all his tools were secure in the back (and lets face it, there's prob a good 10 grand out of his own pocket in there) & had space to move to store things, hated the cab over design & was always concerned of a front end collision loosing his legs as a friend of ours had in a hiace, hence he pushed to get back into a ute. the new hiace though with a more traditional "nose" so to speak, he feels safer in already and thats just from sitting in it,