UK riots.. - Page 2

Road_Warrior · 10-08-2011, 11:13 AM

What surprises me is the amount of dithering by the government. Its apparent now that the layers of red tape and PC bullshiezen have seriously hampered the Police ability to respond to this disorder in a way other than simple containment.

Day-mow · 10-08-2011, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Bring in the army and belt the little punks back into submission.

And to think they sent us 'criminals' out here..........

exactly my thoughts

flappist · 10-08-2011, 11:19 AM

Backing up Gecko and to make it plainly clear.

These riots are criminal actions by groups of ordinary people NOT political action for or against any government or ethnic group.

Therefore it is a domestic police issue not a military one.

The next member who talks about military action against unarmed civilians or compares this event to wars in other arenas WILL get a holiday.

R1XSTA · 10-08-2011, 11:22 AM

What i don't understand about all this. These people have to sleep at one point?

Surely when they go to bed they are angry, but when they wake up in the morning whats on their mind?

"lets go destroy things cause i can.." Doubtful, they just wanna scratch themselves and take a leak.

Peer pressure is at its unfortunate highest in this instance, one person saying jump. everyone saying how high.

Yellow_Festiva · 10-08-2011, 12:16 PM

How many of these rioters are there anyway? I'm hearing reports of 10-12,000 extra police being deployed to stop the violence.

Is there that many or more of these thugs running around? Call for a curfew and anyone out after that time is arrested unless they have a very good reason.

When I was in Sri Lanka during the elections they did just that after fears of protests. Main streets blocked, heavy police presence. Didn't look pretty but boy did it work... not a toot from anyone in my city and the next day life went on.

Falc'man · 10-08-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by R1XSTA

What i don't understand about all this. These people have to sleep at one point?

Surely when they go to bed they are angry, but when they wake up in the morning whats on their mind?

"lets go destroy things cause i can.." Doubtful, they just wanna scratch themselves and take a leak.

Peer pressure is at its unfortunate highest in this instance, one person saying jump. everyone saying how high.

It's nothing but the anarchy in the hearts of the general population that is manifesting itself.

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Originally Posted by NC_Lane

What goes around comes around.....

That can't be true; there are still people left unharmed.

SVTVNM · 10-08-2011, 12:51 PM

Absolutely crazy! To see buildings that survived bombing raids during the Blitz be destroyed by these moronic mindless bogans is criminal to say the least. Thankfully no innocent peole have been killed or seriously injured.

NAK302 · 10-08-2011, 01:09 PM

maybe when living in a supposed free country, people get sick and tired of being told what to do or can't do and so take it into their own hands to express what they're feeling and score a new 42" while doing it

hurry back to normality London, i need my EPL fix this weekend

FTe342 · 10-08-2011, 01:10 PM

These gutless little rioters hiding under their "hoodies" are being sent a message by the public who have themselves taken to the streets in numbers to take back control. The people have had enough. The govt need to pass some legislation quickly so they can lock up these idiots, regardless of age.

NAK302 · 10-08-2011, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FTe342

These gutless little rioters hiding under their "hoodies" are being sent a message by the public who have themselves taken to the streets in numbers to take back control. The people have had enough. The govt need to pass some legislation quickly so they can lock up these idiots, regardless of age.

that's it!!
get the government to introduce more rules and laws. that'll stop it from ever happening again

now where on earth do we send those pesky folks that won't abide?......um howabout Australia? er no, we already did that

FTe342 · 10-08-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GT-0733

that's it!!
get the government to introduce more rules and laws. that'll stop it from ever happening again

now where on earth do we send those pesky folks that won't abide?......um howabout Australia? er no, we already did that

The deterrent needs to be there in the first place.

That's how the law system works. Remove the authority or reward for criminal behaviour and you have what the UK has now. Easy to see that its not your ppty or life being ruined by these imbociles

NAK302 · 10-08-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FTe342

The deterrent needs to be there in the first place.

That's how the law system works. Remove the authority or reward for criminal behaviour and you have what the UK has now. Easy to see that its not your ppty or life being ruined by these imbociles

you obviously missed the point of my reply to your post

what's a ppty?

b2tf · 10-08-2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GT-0733

what's a ppty?

short for 'property' i think

Road_Warrior · 10-08-2011, 01:49 PM

I think he meant "property".

geckoGT · 10-08-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

I think he meant "property".

That was my first thought when reading it too, makes sense in the context of his post.

bungarra · 10-08-2011, 02:03 PM

Where's the safety cameras to stop this hoon like behaviour!!!

geckoGT · 10-08-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bungarra

Where's the safety cameras to stop this hoon like behaviour!!!

London is actually full of cameras, where do you think evidence of all the offences will come from once the trials start happening will come from?

trippytaka · 10-08-2011, 02:57 PM

Stuff the cameras, where is the army?

SteveJH · 10-08-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by trippytaka

Stuff the cameras, where is the army?

If the british army havent kept up on their Riot Training since withdrawing from Northern Ireland that could get real ugly real fast.

Calling in the army would presumably be the absolute last resort. The police havent even resorted to the water cannon or rubber bullets at this point (note, I don't think rubber bullets have *ever* been used on the mainland in action)

jrfttf · 10-08-2011, 03:10 PM

Very very messy situation they have over there!
End of the day i agree with what others are saying

Its all good and well declaring martial law at nite time but end of the day to enforce it you need the numbers. As for deploying national guard to assist local law forces it will be a very last resort

End of the day i don't know what these guys/gals think they are achieving, some have heard them saying its to claim back their taxes, end of the day they are shafting small business owners and insurance comany which in hand is only shafting the average joe with insurance poilicy price rises due to all the recent claims, end of the day majority of the dead ebats doing this probably have nothing and no insurance premiums to to pay hence the don't give two *****!

Zero_PSI · 10-08-2011, 03:15 PM

It's a protest not a riot....A bunch of hooligans stealing, vandalising and insulted innocent people....in protest

trippytaka · 10-08-2011, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero_PSI

It's a protest not a riot....A bunch of hooligans stealing, vandalising and insulted innocent people....in protest

Totally agree. Opportunism.

Ben73 · 10-08-2011, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

The police havent even resorted to the water cannon or rubber bullets at this point (note, I don't think rubber bullets have *ever* been used on the mainland in action)

Perhaps they need to start using these things.

The riot police that attend polish soccer games know how to handle the thugs. Once a gang fight/riot starts they simply spray the group with a tear gas cannon thing, then beat anyone who continues to fight, and arrest people as necessary. They seam to bring the group into check reasonably quick. They are not afraid to come down on them harshly.

JG66ME · 10-08-2011, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Backing up Gecko and to make it plainly clear.

These riots are criminal actions by groups of ordinary people NOT political action for or against any government or ethnic group.

Therefore it is a domestic police issue not a military one.

The next member who talks about military action against unarmed civilians or compares this event to wars in other arenas WILL get a holiday.

Just to back up and comment on this and previous statements.

The British Army is not a police force.

This is not like Northern Ireland.

The biggest unit in Northern Ireland used during the "Troubles" was the UDR.

The UDR was 11 Battalions and it had issues of its own. It was disbanded/ amalgamated many years ago and could not be deployed outside NI anyway.

Riot control is not the core duty of British Army units.

Prior to deployment to Northern Ireland special working up training would have been carried out. There were very strict rules of engagement and training in the use of.

Soldiers trained for war are trained to react with extreme force, not what you want here.

Some British Army units such as the Parachute Regiment are "extreme" in use of force and this could lead to major issues.

The special riot vehicles are all in Northern Ireland. I believe that they are being shipped to the UK or the Goverment is considering shipping them. This includes water cannon.

My understanding is that the Royal Irish Regiment (The UDR was amalgamated into this) has three home service battalions that are probably still riot trained but they are not to be deployed outside NI.

Any of the vehicles mentioned above would need to be operated by soldiers trained in the use of this kit. Not the Royal Irish.

They would be under the command and control of civilian police.

They would not be using extreme force.

The Police in Britain have very well trained and armed counter terrorist assets. Ever been at Heathrow Airport?

Only thing I disagree with is your statement "These riots are criminal actions by groups of ordinary people". I would not consider these people "Ordinary".

Buttnekid · 10-08-2011, 04:19 PM

well I am spewing as I am flying there in 3 days time for a supposed holiday...

ltd · 10-08-2011, 04:20 PM

I heard that the government has brought in the army and they are using plastic bullets.

This is a very sad indictment of the problems that the UK has had for years in terms of little welfare ghettos full of hoodies or chav's, and it will be interesting to see how it is brought to a close.
I'm guessing though that there will be lots of prosecutions based on the number of cameras in London, however like here I'm guessing not many will go to prison, as there isn't the room.

JG66ME · 10-08-2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ltd

I heard that the government has brought in the army and they are using plastic bullets.

This is a very sad indictment of the problems that the UK has had for years in terms of little welfare ghettos full of hoodies or chav's, and it will be interesting to see how it is brought to a close.
I'm guessing though that there will be lots of prosecutions based on the number of cameras in London, however like here I'm guessing not many will go to prison, as there isn't the room.

I have just checked the BBC, nothing about the army. Are you sure? What is your source?

Agree on the hoodies and chavs.

flappist · 10-08-2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JG66ME

Only thing I disagree with is your statement "These riots are criminal actions by groups of ordinary people". I would not consider these people "Ordinary".

I used the term ordinary to distinguish these people from a paramilitary, political, religious or ethnic group.

I believe they are just "ordinary" criminals, not "freedom fighters" or "terrorists" etc.

JG66ME · 10-08-2011, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

I used the term ordinary to distinguish these people from a paramilitary, political, religious or ethnic group.

I believe they are just "ordinary" criminals, not "freedom fighters" or "terrorists" etc.

Ok, then I concur.

**DJR-351** · 10-08-2011, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JG66ME

The British Army is not a police force.

Some British Army units such as the Parachute Regiment are "extreme" in use of force and this could lead to major issues.

We got an email from my cousin today who has been a para for fourteen years, he says if it can be avoided they don't want to get involved in this as "we don't spend much time training in arresting people"....