Ford oil spec M2C913-D

[NZ XR6]

Originally Posted by ope126

I was using Total Oil when I had my EcoBoost and got it locally in Brisbane from Onshore Oils; http://www.onshoreoils.com.au/

For me the issue was (at the time) they could not source 1L bottles so could only get the 5L and needed more for the oil change. And I believe the EcoBoost needed 5.4L on a change and now my TDCi needs 5.5L on an oil change.

That is the only real reason I went with Penrite HPR5 which is readily available in a 6L bottle; http://www.penriteoil.com.au/product...&id_products=1

The first time I did an oil change with the Total, I topped it up with some leftover oil - it only needed about 300ml. But I bought a 1 litre bottle last time.

The TBN and sulphated ash levels of HPR5 aren't that much higher than the C3 specs, probably because it's a full synthetic. It also looks like a perfectly good oil for my motorbikes!

[cobrin]

Originally Posted by bundybear75

I plan on using these.

http://www.sydneyfilters.com.au/genu...-mini-peugeot/

I've been buying various filters from these guys for years with no issues.

Interesting when I changed my filter for the first time it had a mann filter. I've always liked the quality of it over fords own. I might chase a few down. Thanks for the reminder.

[ope126]

cobrin, that is a fuel filter, not an oil filter.
But good to see that the (Ford) FoMoCo filters are being made by Mann Filter (Made in Germany).

[bundybear75]

Here is the Mann filters I got from Sydney Filters, I also got some Mann air cleaners and some Cooper fuel filters. I plan on changing the fuel filter at 30,000 instead of the recommended 60,000km interval. I've been through the "replace common rail fuel pump" game before on another vehicle.....Not so much fun.

[cobrin]

Originally Posted by ope126

cobrin, that is a fuel filter, not an oil filter.

I know, I thought my fingers had typed 'fuel' but my brain didn't send the signal ;)

Bundy yeah I figured I stagger a few items myself:
Trans. fluid every 30K, only the pan.
Fuel filter every 45K.
Coolant, Brakes and Steering as required per scheduled or I'm doing work on them.
Multi V belt 100K unless signs of abnormality.

Coopers a great filters imo, they have good anti-drainback-valves in the spin on kind and are quality.

[rondeo]

Revisiting the oil saga, there's a fairly recent pdf by Penrite:

https://www.penriteoil.com.au/tech_p...MAY%202016.pdf

which has on page 3 an interesting statement that some dpfs do not require a low saps oil, since they are 'high flow types'.

In any case, it seems from the talkford forum most problems involve soot clogging due to failed afterburners and other issues.

On that basis oils on the shelf labelled 'unsuitable for DPF' would be better labelled 'unsuitable for most DPFs'? etc etc etc

[cobrin]

Originally Posted by rondeo

On that basis oils on the shelf labelled 'unsuitable for DPF' would be better labelled 'unsuitable for most DPFs'? etc etc etc

Nargh it's better to air on the side of safety and say straight up 'unsuitable for DPF's' than get the already near uninformed suing for damages kind of scenario.

I find $80-110 for 10L of oil is acceptable for 15K km services personally. I went a bit crazy the last couple of years and got far to many drums so I'm a bit too far ahead in that respect.

[rondeo]

Originally Posted by cobrin

Nargh it's better to air on the side of safety and say straight up 'unsuitable for DPF's' than get the already near uninformed suing for damages kind of scenario.

I find $80-110 for 10L of oil is acceptable for 15K km services personally. I went a bit crazy the last couple of years and got far to many drums so I'm a bit too far ahead in that respect.

I confess to having 30 l in the shed. Nulon C3.

[bundybear75]

Originally Posted by rondeo

I confess to having 30 l in the shed. Nulon C3.

I brought 2 x 10L of Nulon when they were on special a few months ago, Already on to the second bottle. Eagerly waiting the next 20% off sale....

[NZ XR6]

Originally Posted by rondeo

Revisiting the oil saga, there's a fairly recent pdf by Penrite:

https://www.penriteoil.com.au/tech_p...MAY%202016.pdf

which has on page 3 an interesting statement that some dpfs do not require a low saps oil, since they are 'high flow types'.

In any case, it seems from the talkford forum most problems involve soot clogging due to failed afterburners and other issues.

On that basis oils on the shelf labelled 'unsuitable for DPF' would be better labelled 'unsuitable for most DPFs'? etc etc etc

My understanding is that the Mondeo DPF is not high flow.

I still do not understand why Ford does not recommend a "low SAPS" oil. As far as I'm aware, every other car manufacturer requires a C2 or C3 spec oil if a DPF is fitted.

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[rondeo]

So maybe 'high flow' refers to 'flow through monoliths' as opposed to 'wall flow' mentioned here:

https://www.dieselnet.com/tech/dpf_wall-flow.php

[NZ XR6]

Could be. Ash buildup would have less effect on flow through.

But how does the filter work unless there is wall flow?

[cobrin]

Originally Posted by rondeo

I confess to having 30 l in the shed. Nulon C3.

ha ha ha same here though I'm out of engine oil filters and fuel filters now, I must get some and I'm due a charcoal cabin filter now I think of it.

[rondeo]

Originally Posted by NZ XR6

Could be. Ash buildup would have less effect on flow through.

But how does the filter work unless there is wall flow?

With less effectiveness:

http://www.hussgroup.com/huss-umwelt...filtration.php

I'm still in the dark whether 'high flow' and 'flow through' are equivalent, and why Ford don't specify low SAPS. All a bit academic maybe, my cars seem to use very little oil, don't need topping up in 15000km anyway.
Maybe there's a high flow wall flow filter.

[NZ XR6]

I think you're right. There's some info on the Peugeot website that says that the DPF is the wall flow type.

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[NZ XR6]

Came across this from Ford:


"Coated Diesel Particulate Filter (cDPF): Ford's cDPF system traps carbon deposits as they exit from the combustion system, preventing their release into the atmosphere.

"Under favourable conditions the system then cleans itself with a controlled 'burn-off' process, thus providing a self-contained clean air system without the need for service maintenance.

"This system contains a ceramic filter body of around 4 litres volume mounted behind the exhaust manifold plus a special regeneration support unit on the engine's intake manifold. Together these components enable the filter system to regenerate in any possible drive condition automatically without requesting any input from the driver and without compromising driveability noticeably during regeneration.

The advantages of the system are:

* Additive systems have an additional additive tank that primes the fuel tank with the additive (a metallic catalyst) at every refuelling. On the Ford cDPF the additive is embedded in the filter washcoat, hence no additional complex priming system is required and no refilling of the tank.

* Long life – a ‘normal’ additive DPF tank needs refilling after approx 60k km, whereas the new Ford cDPF has been developed to last at least 200.000km."

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[stefcio007]

I use Penrite, this one. Recommended by their tool and meets the spec apparently.
My 2c.

[bundybear75]

Originally Posted by stefcio007

I use Penrite, this one. Recommended by their tool and meets the spec apparently.
My 2c.

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Is it suitable for DPF's?

Penrite also recommend HPR Diesel 5 but it is not suitable for DPF's.

[stefcio007]

Originally Posted by bundybear75

Is it suitable for DPF's?

Penrite also recommend HPR Diesel 5 but it is not suitable for DPF's.

I checked soot levels once a month. Last time I checked it was about 60%, so normal. Only had dealer services before I bought it.
I'll monitor levels and report back.

It's confusing since some oils only have the spec written, some have for vehicles with DPF fitter, and some say NOT suitable for vehicles with DPF.

(I'm coming from a petrol V6 VW Golf, and always used Penrite no problems so I trust them.)

[cobrin]

I thought it were Enviro+ that were suitable, I've been cautious with penrite because of they conflicting labels, thus have settled on Nulon.

[bundybear75]

Originally Posted by cobrin

I thought it were Enviro+ that were suitable, I've been cautious with penrite because of they conflicting labels, thus have settled on Nulon.

Same here - I've been buying it at the 20% off sales from Supercheap.

Had my Land Cruiser serviced last week - It has DPF's (2) and requires a 0W-30 oil. My mechanic only uses Penrite and had to special order me some Penrite Enviro C2 to suit. Very thin oil, not sure how its going to perform loaded on a hot summers day........

[stefcio007]

Might give the C2 a try then next change. Would be nicer if it came in 6L bottles though.

[cobrin]

Originally Posted by stefcio007

Would be nicer if it came in 6L bottles though.

I hear ya, that was my dilemma also, so decided the way forward was 10L drums, Penrite was much more expensive and that solidified Nulon.

[cobrin]

Originally Posted by bundybear75

Had my Land Cruiser serviced last week - It has DPF's (2) and requires a 0W-30 oil. My mechanic only uses Penrite and had to special order me some Penrite Enviro C2 to suit. Very thin oil, not sure how its going to perform loaded on a hot summers day........

you might be interested in Nulons 0W30 diesel dpf stuff. Just realised it's a new addition (to me that is).

[NZ XR6]

The Peugeot oil specification for the Mondeo engines is a C2.

Having looked into the ACEA oil specs, I've decided to use a C3 oil as it provides more engine protection than the C2. The downside is it's slightly less fuel efficient.

I can highly recommend the Fuchs XTL oils. The parts guy where they sell Fuchs sold me Pro Flex, but I should have bought the C3.

Fuchs even make a low SAPS Ford oil for diesel engines!

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[stefcio007]

C4 is available too, why not go for that?

[NZ XR6]

C4 is low SAPS, C2 is mid SAPS.


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[cobrin]

C5 back to mid saps lol

[stefcio007]

Originally Posted by cobrin

Interesting when I changed my filter for the first time it had a mann filter. I've always liked the quality of it over fords own. I might chase a few down. Thanks for the reminder.

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FoMoCo is short for Ford Motor Company, but it also has MANN FILTER printed on it

[NZ XR6]

Originally Posted by cobrin

C5 back to mid saps lol

I've noticed there is a C5 but haven't looked at the spec yet.

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