Fiesta XR4 - Page 2

mitch_lx · 10-11-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Piotr

For the people that claim 170hp can't be done on a 1.6L. Take a look at the 4G92 Mivec 131kw from a 1.6L from the factory.

Its different but it can be done.

Oh no i never said it cant be done with a 1.6... i said it cant be done with OUR 1.6

To the best of my knowledge i remember you saying this too......
Of course if you attach a Toybo to it then 170 is a piece of p155.

And your comparing a 1.6L motor out of the base model ''econobox'' to a motor which is highly strung and features lift cam technology similar to Vtec.

That motor is best compared to comething like the B18 out of the integra.

No point comparing it to the fiesta motor.

Ives · 10-11-2006, 03:16 PM

Autosalon magazine rated the 1.6l VTEC engine as one of the finest engines (i guess for tuners). Dunno what they call it exactly (im at work and the magazine is in my bedroom

) B16A? B16?

photn · 10-11-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mitch_lx

Oh no i never said it cant be done with a 1.6... i said it cant be done with OUR 1.6

To the best of my knowledge i remember you saying this too......
Of course if you attach a Toybo to it then 170 is a piece of p155.

And your comparing a 1.6L motor out of the base model ''econobox'' to a motor which is highly strung and features lift cam technology similar to Vtec.

That motor is best compared to comething like the B18 out of the integra.

No point comparing it to the fiesta motor.

i think your the one that is highly strung at the moment....but any way back on topic....

Ford tend to do some really weird things.....what was the dealer you went to al.

Nappa · 10-11-2006, 03:27 PM

Yesterday i went for a drive in a Colt Ralliart, a direct competitor of the Fiesta ST (if it comes here) I must say that I wasn’t overly impressed with
The colt as a package. Sure it has all the right equipment, Turbo 1.5ltr engine, recaro seats, 16inch alloys, outlandish plastic body kit, decent brakes and a nice gear box, but when driving it it felt cheap and a bit nasty. Its NVH was shocking and the steering had very little feeling in it.

A prefer the smooth but well weighted drive from a fiesta.

It seemed to lack the refinement that a fiesta has. Not a bad car I suppose but for 33,500 I’d want a bit more for my money.

I think I will drive a Polo GTI next to compare the two.

photn · 10-11-2006, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nappa

Yesterday i went for a drive in a Colt Ralliart, a direct competitor of the Fiesta ST (if it comes here) I must say that I wasn’t overly impressed with
The colt as a package. Sure it has all the right equipment, Turbo 1.5ltr engine, recaro seats, 16inch alloys, outlandish plastic body kit, decent brakes and a nice gear box, but when driving it it felt cheap and a bit nasty. Its NVH was shocking and the steering had very little feeling in it.

A prefer the smooth but well weighted drive from a fiesta.

It seemed to lack the refinement that a fiesta has. Not a bad car I suppose but for 33,500 I’d want a bit more for my money.

I think I will drive a Polo GTI next to compare the two.

true a Ralliart Colt is a good car as a package....and yes true you should really be getting more out of it for the Price tag....the POLO gti is a wonderful car ive heard....best person would be to ask mitch....he has recently purchased one....

Piotr · 10-11-2006, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mitch_lx

RANT

The laws of thermodynamics remain the same for ALL engines. Vtec, Mivec etc is only there to improve low-down driveablity and emmisions.

This is WAY off topic

Imolator · 10-11-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Teki04

Well, going by my car (Clio) they would haved asked because it might have said;

1.4L - Mudflap available
1.6L - Mudflap available
2.0L - N/A

Same with the tow bar. You can get a Tow Bar on lesser model Clios, however on a 2.0L you aren't allowed to fit it, hence it says N/A for the 2.0L

This could also be the case with the 2.0L Fiesta ST - certain parts aren't available. Hence the reason why they ask (since it is in the system - then again they should know we don't have it here yet!)

The point really is that the parts interpreter should know his product, its pointless asking someone if they have the 2.0l engine when they dont even bloody sell it. Heres a thought if I win lotto i might be able to build an XR4 from parts and have the first one in Oz.

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fordel · 10-11-2006, 06:32 PM

*big wacking stick from the overlord*

make sure you keep this on track and play nice

That is all

Chris

Teki04 · 10-11-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Imolator

The point really is that the parts interpreter should know his product, its pointless asking someone if they have the 2.0l engine when they dont even bloody sell it. Heres a thought if I win lotto i might be able to build an XR4 from parts and have the first one in Oz.

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Haha, true. In reality that never works. Called the bigget local dealer today.

I wanted to buy a spare rim.

I was asked for a VIN number, then Rego number, then if it was 18 inch, if it was standard, if I had a sports pack, how many spokes the rim was and also what colour it was.

: (Correct Answer; Cup pack has std 16" Charcoal rims)

Unfortunate that these things happen!

Back on the topic though

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Originally Posted by Nappa

Not a bad car I suppose but for 33,500 I’d want a bit more for my money.

: $33,500 on the road? WOW, that is pretty steep

Oh, and Imolator - I challange you to building the Fiesta ST :P Only to then be told it will be released here (knowing Ford... a little late and backwards with everything)

0xyg3n · 10-11-2006, 07:07 PM

mud flaps :p

fordel · 10-11-2006, 07:18 PM

Gee can we make the picture any bigger there

But..

Can you please resize it

Thanks

Chris

0xyg3n · 10-11-2006, 07:29 PM

I wasn't hosting that pic I just copyed the url from http://www.fiestasportingtrophy.co.uk I have now hosted it on my site and resized it for you.

joshf2 · 10-11-2006, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by photn

take the extractors race cat.. add a locally developed Cam set from say Crow cams and a custom ECU Chip or edit or whatever....i dont care what ppl from UKFN say....like ive said many times b4. ifi want to do it i will.....

for someone who asks about rotors, pads, spark plugs, you really do know your stuff, dont you???

fordel · 10-11-2006, 07:45 PM

Cheers Oxy

just makes it a bit easier to see thats all

photn · 10-11-2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by joshf2

for someone who asks about rotors, pads, spark plugs, you really do know your stuff, dont you???

i knew EBC green stuff and NGK products ware available...i just wanted to know what and who used what.....

what can i say. i learn fast josh lol....and its not too hard to read things off the net and learn about things......

0xyg3n · 10-11-2006, 08:36 PM

Well if you wanna find out if ST parts are in the Aus part list try these part numbers at a ford dealer 4M5G 6C032-SB, 33S7G 6011-BA :P

0xyg3n · 10-11-2006, 08:48 PM

Cancel that I just noticed the date is late october a little old.
http://www.rallysportmag.com.au/home...d=622&Itemid=2

Piotr · 11-11-2006, 01:28 AM

Thats exactly why ford don't sell mud flaps on the ST. With a big engine at the front + front mudflaps the car just wants to stand on its two fronts.

mitch_lx · 11-11-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Piotr

The laws of thermodynamics remain the same for ALL engines. Vtec, Mivec etc is only there to improve low-down driveablity and emmisions.

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I DARE you to post that in the Ozhonda forum ! That is truely the most hilarious joke i have ever heard. What a funny little boy you are !

Piotr · 11-11-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mitch_lx

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I DARE you to post that in the Ozhonda forum ! That is truely the most hilarious joke i have ever heard. What a funny little boy you are !

You have NO clue do you?

VTEC basically allows and engine to run 2 cam profiles (Low speed and High speed). Given 2 Identical engines one with VTEC and the other with only the high speed cam they will identical characteristics once the VTEC kicks in yo. Its only there for driveability and emissions.

You truly are getting dumber as time goes on.

Danny · 11-11-2006, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mitch_lx

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I DARE you to post that in the Ozhonda forum ! That is truely the most hilarious joke i have ever heard. What a funny little boy you are !

Seriously Mitch

STFU

You're acting like a dickhole mate, just go dis the fk out of the fez and all of us now that you have the new car? Jesus..

Scareybear · 11-11-2006, 11:23 AM

Looks like Fords are the only european car that does'nt turn thier owners into F-wits...

P.s I think Ceiling Cat (AKA Fordel) is watching you Mitch..

photn · 11-11-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Scareybear

Looks like Fords are the only european car that does'nt turn thier owners into F-wits...

P.s I think Ceiling Cat (AKA Fordel) is watching you Mitch..

i like the cat who is stealing your DATAZ lol and your INTERNETZ

0xyg3n · 11-11-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Scareybear

Looks like Fords are the only european car that does'nt turn thier owners into F-wits...

P.s I think Ceiling Cat (AKA Fordel) is watching you Mitch..

lol that cat looks like my cat monty :P

murcod · 12-11-2006, 11:35 AM

Don't you guys ever learn?

Regarding Vtec/ Mivec engines - an engine with the same peak power output using a normal camshaft set up would be totally undriveable for a normal road car. So, in effect Vtec both increases the maximum power output and improves driveability at lower revs which are BOTH important on a road going engine.

Otherwise why weren't Honda producing road going engines with such high power outputs before they introduced Vtec?

mitch_lx · 12-11-2006, 02:00 PM

The way i understood piotrs original post was... that vtec did NOTHING except improve low end torque and reduce emissions (which is funny because most honda owners complain that their cars have no torque).

Oxygen, thats kinda scary... because MY cat looks exactly like that and his name is Monty aswell !! ha ha ha

Danny, keep it cool mate. im not having a dig at you. P.S hows that Ghia interior light?