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29-12-2005, 12:54 PM | #31 | ||
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Wagons are NOT as heavy as you would believe. My Sedan is heavier than a Gli Wagon of the same model
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29-12-2005, 12:57 PM | #32 | ||
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29-12-2005, 04:29 PM | #33 | |||
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Anyway basic facts wagons weigh 70kg more than sedans. IRS sedans weigh 70KG more than live axle sedans Auto's weigh 29KG more than manuals. I can tell you for certain my AUII Fairmont wagon weighed in at 1650KG on the WSID scrutineering weighbridge without me and with 1/4 tank of fuel. next car was a mates AUI XR6 manual 1530Kg. That weight difference is like 15rwkw difference in power. Ford reckon an AU Auto and air Futura wagon weighs 1598kg versus the sedan 1525Kg. Fortes 10Kg lighter. An XR6HP 1520 manual 1553 Auto. An XR6VCT 1615 manual 1644 Auto. The EL GLi wagons were heavier than the AU wagons by about 40KG. |
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29-12-2005, 04:41 PM | #34 | ||
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so if my AU VCT is 1644kg and your AU2 Fairmont wagon is 1650kg with all the extra fruit and sound deadening... then its logical to assume that my sedan is actually heavier than an AU1 Forte wagon?
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29-12-2005, 04:54 PM | #35 | |||
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Weighbridge might say otherwise but I think not. |
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29-12-2005, 04:56 PM | #36 | ||
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Thought that might be the case. Cant wait to run a 14 in this heavy "wagonesque" car then
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29-12-2005, 04:56 PM | #37 | ||
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The EL fairmonts were 1580 odd KG and the AU 1531KG but i have a sneaking suspision that they were pretty much the same weight again by the time they got to AUII/III when the ABS cruise laminated firewall etc came in.
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29-12-2005, 05:09 PM | #38 | |||
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29-12-2005, 05:25 PM | #39 | |||
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But like I said ford were full of it in quoting dimensions. Even so i do not see how a short wheelbase car is going to be heavier than the lwb variant without a heavy IRS setup or something very different |
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29-12-2005, 05:28 PM | #40 | |||
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29-12-2005, 05:56 PM | #41 | ||
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I have the AU II wagons weighing 36 kilos less than the i6 Ghia.
1606 vs the wagon @ 1580 kerb weight
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29-12-2005, 10:16 PM | #42 | ||
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i took my vct au2 for a weigh at finemores in laverton and the rego label was on the money 1580 kg
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29-12-2005, 11:44 PM | #43 | ||
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weight doesnt affect anything j/k :>
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30-12-2005, 12:24 AM | #44 | |||
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30-12-2005, 01:06 AM | #45 | |||
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your ~3300rpm stall spins on the line at 2200?
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30-12-2005, 01:44 AM | #46 | |||
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If under brakes I hold it to 2200 rpm it does not spin .However ,at the line your revving at 2200 with an auto then stomping it to try and get off the line.It flashes to 3300 rpm ,locks up and then you are off.However the car spins at 3300 rpm because the torque at 3300 in an auto is multiplied by 2 times which is the multiplication ratio.Therefore at those rpms an auto owner has twice the torque of a manual equipped box,provided the same power levels. I can hold it to 2800 rpm where the car starts to fishtail under brakes.Then flashes to 3300 rpm and spins stupid. The true stall speed cannot be achieved under the brakes.This is partial lockup. A takeoff from 2000 rpm still makes for a good takeoff with less wheelspin from stalling at 2500 rpm. I might take a little video to illustrate the point and show people how it works. Unfortunately though ..I feel that even though the car goes well off the mark that the midrange feels less punch as my car was making good torque in part of the rev range which the bigger stallie has removed. So I have 2 options...a little more power ,or a slightly smaller stall converter.This will actually make my car faster.2 dynos have shown no decrease in power with this unit ,however while quicker off the line doesnt make me feel the pull of the standard converter in mid to top end range due to this. Also walkinshaw ,what times have you pulled in 31 degrees and 56 degree track temperatures? A 15.19 is a good time for 1million kilometre ex traxi moter dont you think ?
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30-12-2005, 12:50 PM | #48 | |||
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30-12-2005, 12:59 PM | #49 | |||
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I know somone who has a Stall in his V8 Windsor, which has arround 130rwkw and he can push the stall (under takeoff flash) to 2800rpm. The EXACT SAME CONVERTER behind a worked windsor + 7lb boost would push the stall to just over 3000rpm.
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30-12-2005, 02:02 PM | #51 | ||
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Stav, did they modify the torque multiplication at all? I don't know what ratio Ford use in our Falcon converters, but OEM converters typically a ratio somewhere around 2:1 - 2.5:1.
It really is only designed to improve drivability when driving "under" the flash or brake stall speed of the converter. As soon as the converter is locked up (which is when the car will start moving at the track), the torque multiplication immediately drops to 1:1... Walkinshaw, the peak horsepower of the engine will really have no affect on the stall speed of the converter, unless peak horsepower is at the same rpm as the stall speed(?) which would of course be a ridiculous scenario ;) Some reference material here, http://www.tciauto.com/tech_info/tor..._explained.htm This thread is sooooo off topic..lol
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30-12-2005, 04:03 PM | #52 | |||
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SOZ Nik.....hand this post back to you.....
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30-12-2005, 04:31 PM | #53 | |||
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Don't underestimate the heat either, it was ridiculously hot on the track. Stav, there is a good thread at the moment on weather correction for timeslips on the V8Owners forums. If my 14.291 @ 97.47 was in the same weather conditions as my previous PB (14.544 @ 95.02), it would have been a 14.0 @ 99mph....it was HOT!!! I can't remember your exact timeslip Stav, but I took 15.2 @ 90mph, and in typical winter conditions, it would have been about 14.95 @ 92mph. I dunno, it's all just speculation at the end of the day. But despite Walkinshaws avatar, i think still think you've got a pretty decent Wagon. ....it just needs more horsepower ....and you need to take it to the track more often ;)
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30-12-2005, 05:20 PM | #54 | |||
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30-12-2005, 06:52 PM | #55 | |||
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The above statement would definitely hold true for a mild Turbo Windsor or Kenne Belle Windsor, but not so much for a centrifugally supercharged Windsor like a Vortech or Powerdyne. They would hardly be making 2psi at that engine speed...
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30-12-2005, 07:16 PM | #56 | |||
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Considering that the dyno graph for the vortech STARTED at 140rwkw I think it is safe to say it had a fair bit more poke everywhere, it really doesnt matter if it was exactly 2x, or 1.434535X, or whatever.
Bottom line is if a mild 6 is pushing the stall up over 1000rpm you should be asking questions. Im sure stav will have it sorted out soon enough.
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02-01-2006, 02:52 PM | #59 | ||
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Where you going to take it now?
All locked up by Casper!! Who was taking offence at what i wonder? |
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If Stav wants to start a new thread he's more than welcome.. and it will be kept on topic. Generally aufalcon.com threads are allowed a massive level of tlerance for off topic posts as there is rarely any issues (and usually some good laughs) however this is still a moderated forum and attacks wont be tolerated.
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