The Australian Welfare System

[Work Horse]

I want my 60 seconds back:(

[cheap]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Gee that's a lot of money cheap and I think the time taking to type this cost us all another million or 17 so sorry guys for being part of the problem. But I'm not so wise like cheap so hope he/she can provide some suggestion how we as a community can fix this problem without causing many more.
For without answers the question is irrelevant and unnecessary and Im willing to bet cheap does have an answer. Please help us cheap my internet is broken and I can search it out for myself, plus my green brain wont see the truth for the fresh air and clean water

JP

What is your specific problem (this time) ?

I will try to steer you towards reality, however much depends on you and your capabilities. This is may come as a shock and it pains me to say this, but you may already be a lost cause, beyond hope and salvation.

[jpblue1000]

yeah but im not the only one in the thread, there are plenty who seem to need answers...If we are all beyond help maybe its not our thinking which is at odds with reality but...

JP

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by vztrt

There's the problem. The age pension will be getting bigger each year. Besides efficiency improvements there isn't all that much saving in it. .

Easy fix with this growing problem.....

Compulsory euthanasia!...
Just a matter of deciding what age to knock us oldies on the head at?...
60??... 65?? .. 70???
I mean, all we are is a friggin burden on society in old age!

[revcore]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Easy fix with this growing problem.....

Compulsory euthanasia!...
Just a matter of deciding what age to knock us oldies on the head at?...
60??... 65?? .. 70???
I mean, all we are is a friggin burden on society in old age!

Can't do that mate...start knocking off all the oldies who's going to teach the young whipper snappers about decent music?

[blueoval]

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[revcore]

Originally Posted by blueoval

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I did say "Many" not All.

[blueoval]

I know, hence the retraction of my comment.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

yeah but im not the only one in the thread, there are plenty who seem to need answers...If we are all beyond help maybe its not our thinking which is at odds with reality but...

JP

Sadly that is the distortion attributed to group think

[blueoval]

So what is the solution with the pensioners? Control their spending habits by giving them allocated food coupons and vouchers instead of cash?

[Chopped]

Yea butz I needz the dole so I canz buy sum pot for me bong.


In all serious though, the last time I was on the dole was 22 years ago. I got it straight after finishing school until I found a job about 3 months later. I believe in or near the cities, you will find work if you really need to.

In saying that, the dole is necessary and I'm glad we have it as a safety net just in case I need it again. I believe it's pretty hard these days to bludge on it.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Easy fix with this growing problem.....

Compulsory euthanasia!...
Just a matter of deciding what age to knock us oldies on the head at?...
60??... 65?? .. 70???
I mean, all we are is a friggin burden on society in old age!

With my attitude somehow I don't think I'll make it to 60 lol.

[xxx000]

Yeah let's examine and criticise the poor and needy as it takes the heat off the politicians themselves and their own pay and conditions........brilliant

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Chopped

Yea butz I needz the dole so I canz buy sum pot for me bong.


In all serious though, the last time I was on the dole was 22 years ago. I got it straight after finishing school until I found a job about 3 months later. I believe in or near the cities, you will find work if you really need to.

In saying that, the dole is necessary and I'm glad we have it as a safety net just in case I need it again. I believe it's pretty hard these days to bludge on it.

While I agree with your sentiments, I have seen and heard people find loop holes to get more than they are entitled to.

Recently I've seen couples with children live in 2 separate residences (owned by other people) deliberately to claim additional benefits for marital/defacto separated situations when in fact they are not separated. nothing is wrong with their relationship, just that they can dip into the welfare bin a little deeper than others.

It's crap like this that ticks me off.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Yeah let's examine and criticise the poor and needy as it takes the heat off the politicians themselves and their own pay and conditions........brilliant

I'm not disagreeing with you, but the politicians oversized generous benefits are a pimple on an elephant sized issue.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by cheap

Sadly that is the distortion attributed to group think

Is it any different on your side...Oh yeah you guys are right...but what of the answers cheap?
What's your opinion? My internetz is running low I cant search fro your opinion.

JP

[Ross 1]

Originally Posted by blueoval

So what is the solution with the pensioners? Control their spending habits by giving them allocated food coupons and vouchers instead of cash?

Soylent Green, great movie with forward thinking solutions.

[mik]

Personally i think pensioners , disabled/sick , veterans , etc deserve to be looked after without question.

people on the dole too ...... up to a point, the dole for your whole life just does not cut the mustard.

some areas of social security to me are overly generous and should not have even been offered in the first place, the 5k ? baby bonus among other things.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Yeah let's examine and criticise the poor and needy as it takes the heat off the politicians themselves and their own pay and conditions........brilliant

The 'poor and needy' are often their own worst enemies...

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by Ross 1

Soylent Green, great movie with forward thinking solutions.

'Soylent green...is people!'

JP

[Franco Cozzo]

There are also issues around the whole Newstart job services advisor BS as well:

Unemployment in Australia is at its highest in 12 years. The Government's solution is an innovative billion-dollar scheme called Jobs Services Australia. But the initiative is failing.

Now, a Four Corners investigation shows how the scheme is being manipulated and, at times, systematically exploited. Reporter Linton Besser reveals the corruption at the heart of the program aimed at helping some of this country's most vulnerable people.

He travels to suburbs where unemployment is a way of life. He meets Kym, struggling to find work and pull her daughter out of a cycle of poverty.

There to help are private and not-for-profit job agencies, paid by the Government to help find work for Kym and others like her. These agencies have blossomed thanks to the privatisation of the Commonwealth Employment Service in 1998, and are thriving on contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

Unemployment is now big business in Australia. Each year the Government spends about $1.3 billion on its welfare to work scheme.

But what happens when there are simply not enough jobs to go around?

What Four Corners discovers is a system open to abuse where the unemployed have become a commodity. Some agencies bend the rules, others break them.

"I would say about 80 percent of claims that come through have some sort of manipulation on them." - Agency whistleblower

Four Corners goes inside the industry, finding shocking evidence of fraud, manipulation, falsified paperwork, and the recycling of the unemployed through temporary jobs.

Hours are bumped up, wages are inflated, and in many cases, vital evidence to support claims from the taxpayer appears to have been falsified. One former jobseeker tells Four Corners her paperwork appears to have been completely forged.

In recent years Government checks have forced some companies to pay back millions of dollars, but few are sanctioned. Former job agency employees say crucial internal records are adjusted in preparation for government audits.

"That, I guess, caused alarm bells for me... Claims that have been claimed, signatures that weren't on them, and we were sort of told, you know, if the signature's not on it, get it any way that you can." - Former job agency employee

As the nation grapples with rising unemployment, Four Corners raises uncomfortable questions about the charities and profit-takers making a buck from Australia's jobless.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stori...23/4183437.htm

Good video on it at the above link.

[BENT_8]

150,000 jobs, 850,000 unemployed bludgers.

If 150,000 bludgers took the 150,000 jobs, what do we call the 700,000 who have no job to get...

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

150,000 jobs, 850,000 unemployed bludgers.

If 150,000 bludgers took the 150,000 jobs, what do we call the 700,000 who have no job to get...

Unemployed and in need of help.

JP

[Franco Cozzo]

Doesn't a low unemployment rate also cause issue for business because it drives wages up?

[jpblue1000]

there is a balance point where unemployment is beneficial to the economy as a whole...not so beneficial to the individuals though.

http://www.investopedia.com/universi...economics8.asp

JP

[Havoc]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

there is a balance point where unemployment is beneficial to the economy as a whole...not so beneficial to the individuals though.

http://www.investopedia.com/universi...economics8.asp

JP

Wouldnt the easiest way to start be winding back benefits to middle class Australians say the child care rebate for people who earn up to 250,000 maybe lowering it to a more regularly rate of say 100,000 and other such ridiculous measures.

[galaxy xr8]

I’d like to know how many of us that have not only replied in this thread today but looked in it , did so durring work hours and on work premisses/time ?.

[davenl5l]

you all do realise that pensioners pay tax too . think gst , stamp duty , petrol excise etc. , etc. and most payed lots of tax for years before becoming such a burden on society !!!

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

There are also issues around the whole Newstart job services advisor BS as well:



http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stori...23/4183437.htm

Good video on it at the above link.

Just finished watching that episode. All I can say is Im disgusted with organizations like that, absolutely disgusted. It makes me sick to think filthy companies like this exist to profit off the misfortune of others.

I for one will never set foot in one of those agencies ever.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

I’d like to know how many of us that have not only replied in this thread today but looked in it , did so durring work hours and on work premisses/time ?.

I own my own business, does that count?