GT-HO Engine Value.

[4Vman]

Out of curiosity Which HO is it from (XW/XY,1,2,3)?

[fordAU]

370HP in a Bronco, a lot of power.

I think the last factory V8 in them was a 302.

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by DoreSlamR

What if the HO motor was the 30 year old boat anchor? would you still want to pay top dollar for it?

What are you talking about?
He didn't say ANY HO motor.
He said A HO motor shouldn't cost more than ANY Cleveland.

As I also said, I won't pay anything for those GT's because they're overpriced enough as it is. However some idiot will pay top dollar for it.

[CSV_LS1]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Out of curiosity Which HO is it from (XW/XY,1,2,3)?

I'm not sure but i will find out.

[R0BD0G]

if the original car is still out there and even if it has been rebodied that motor could be worth an amout to them "keeping in mind i'm 15 and have no idea"

[outback_ute]

If it is all original as you say, there would have to be a few $$ in parts like the intake manifold, dizzy etc that HO owners may be chasing to replace non-original parts fitted over the years

[Sprint347]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

The HO motors were just std 4V crate engines from the states that were pulled apart and fitted with solid cams and a few extras.. there's no reason for anyone to pay more for an engine out of a HO if the car no longer exists.
If the car still exists then that's a whole different scenario, only a fool would pay big $$ for an engine just because it once lived in a GT or HO that's now gone....

I disagree...

If I had a genuine GT HO without a motor, and wanted to get the car as 'genuine' as possible I'd much prefer that engine over a 'std 4V crate engine from the states'

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by nitrane

I disagree...

If I had a genuine GT HO without a motor, and wanted to get the car as 'genuine' as possible I'd much prefer that engine over a 'std 4V crate engine from the states'

Umm... So? that wasnt the topic or scenario. I can build an exact HO spec 4v clevo long motor minus carb etc for 2-3K... in fact probably cheaper than a worked clevo.

[xbgs351]

I'm with nitrane on this one. That line of thinking is what could potentially make the engine more valuable than it would otherwise be.

[OLDFORDNUT]

you guys are jumping the gun ,he asked is it worth anything,the answer is yes,but how much exactly has not been mentioned,what is the asking price? is it still in good running condition or does it require a rebuild?.
if a bare US block is worth $1700 then a complete genuine motor that still has room to bore it out without going into water jacket has to be worth a fair bit more than that ,doesn't it?there are honest ways for it to be still around as too with the car,plenty of strange things have been done by owners in the past,i personally know a local woman who sold her dead Husbands GT with its hot engine and found the original in corner of shed when selling house 3 years later,a mate of mine brought it and put it into his own GT that had being stolen and recovered minus running gear,he was as happy as a pig in shite that at least his GT had a GT engine after several years with an old clevo from a fairlane.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by xbgs351

I'm with nitrane on this one. That line of thinking is what could potentially make the engine more valuable than it would otherwise be.

IMO that would only be the case as far as what its parts value was...
A non matching number block is just that, regardless of what or where it came from... IMO!

[FGII-XR6]

as stated earlier it is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. find a punter who wants a genuine HO engine and the price goes up most wouldn't pat top $$$$ but someone might. it comes down to right buyer at the right time

[xbgs351]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

IMO that would only be the case as far as what its parts value was...
A non matching number block is just that, regardless of what or where it came from... IMO!

Isn't a partial JG33 match better than none at all?

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by xbgs351

Isn't a partial JG33 match better than none at all?

Its an individual thing, but the strong general consensus amongst GT enthusiasts, club members and collectors is NO.... if its the wrong block it doesnt matter what the number is, or how close it is to the original number..
"3 number matching" is what attracts the "premium" or "full price" in terms of market value, or "desirability".
A wrong block is still a wrong block if the numbers don't match the plate..

Let me put it another way, putting a JG33#### block in a car that's missing its correct engine WON'T increase its market value or desirability one bit, regardless of what that block was out of.

[xtremerus]

Totally agree with all 4Vman comments so far on this post

[ebxr8240]

I have an H.O motor...
Built in 92.. Lol...

[OLDFORDNUT]

these posts still dont address the question asked at start,we really need to know what price he was offered engine at to give him an answer either way,
saying they are worth nothing is rediculous.

[XAGSV8]

Originally Posted by nicholas

these posts still dont address the question asked at start,we really need to know what price he was offered engine at to give him an answer either way,
saying they are worth nothing is rediculous.

Well I would say yes after seeing what JG33/66 motors go for on ebay in the past. Standard Clevo's go for a couple of hundred where GT motors are going for well over a thousand.

Originally Posted by nitrane

If I had a genuine GT HO without a motor, and wanted to get the car as 'genuine' as possible I'd much prefer that engine over a 'std 4V crate engine from the states'

Agreed even if it does not increase the value of the vehicle I would be much more satified with owning a GT if that was the case.

[Sprint347]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Umm... So? that wasnt the topic or scenario. I can build an exact HO spec 4v clevo long motor minus carb etc for 2-3K... in fact probably cheaper than a worked clevo.

How is it not the topic?

You're saying that it's not worth any more than a 4v US motor, I'm disagreeing. That can and will happen, sorry.

[56L]

Originally Posted by nitrane

How is it not the topic?

You're saying that it's not worth any more than a 4v US motor, I'm disagreeing. That can and will happen, sorry.

It is a 4v US motor, with a few very minor changes,any 4v US motor with those very few minor changes is a HO motor after someone stamps a number on there .THE PACIFIC ENGINE THIS THREAD IS ABOUT CAN BE EXACTLY THAT A US 4V MOTOR WITH A HO ENGINE NUMBER STAMPED ON IT THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY TO KNOW FOR SURE.I dont think people on here really understand how easy it is to stamp a blank block. If the engine in the bronco was to suffer terminal injuries he only has to restamp a blank block swap some parts and the ho engine lives again.

All those blank blocks selling on ebay are definately ending up somewhere obviously replacing the original blown motors in GT,s what else would people be paying $1500 odd dollars for a crappy D block for ?

They had no steel crank ,no 4 bolt mains,no pacific engine block other than standard.

Compare it to fords unique v8,s like the boss302 /boss429 it has no SPECIAL parts,even the Tickford 5.6L has ten times more significant parts than a HO motor.

So the engine that this thread is based on would be worth atleast $1500 for the block (same price as a blank block) 4v cc heads would usually sell for around $1000 ,crank $200 ,if it has the origanal manifold and carby add say $750 and the rest is the same price as standard clevo 2nd hand stuff = nothing.

When buyers come across GT,s with a non original engine they just ask there local RTA about the original engine number and if they say it is not on the system within another car then presto 1 blank block to be restamped and then they have a 3 number matching car hence the ebay sales of blank d blocks.

BUT if the original car is still out there they need to buy that engine that carries that orginal number (engine being the original one or not) to have the 3 numbers matching system.Since the engine number exists on rta records with the bronco another block cant be restamped .

But to the owner of the original car if it still exists it would be worth a small fortune just to have the number back, original engine or NOT.

[Al Bundy]

Was having a discussion with friends the other night on this topic & thought to google it

56L agree to similar views of yours - Personally believe as a bare motor to a non existing car $3K to $10K. (pending if rebuilt/reconditioned) or not.

To the original car I believe you could negotiate anywere b/w $20K to $30K. Heard once a person was asking $50K from the owner of the original car (very unrealistic)

Also unique to HO motos only, they apparently have a special casting/stamping in the block away from the serial numbers that can been seen from in the engine bay (wont reveal it). A initial quick check before further checks. Was shown this once from a authenticator & will check further HO motors at shows. Have seen another that had this unique marking. (this is in response to stamp a US block)

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

It's worth the same as every other old clevo, no more, and a bit less than an unstamped D block with the correct date code.

It's just another engine, useless without the rest of the GTHO, if the car and plates still exist and can be brought together again, it could be worth a small fortune, but it's only any good to the person that has the rest of the car, to everyone else it's just another crappy clevo block. It would be worth more without engine numbers!!!

[Polyal]

my god send this one to memory lane!