Gender identity, are you male, female or a space ship?

[bingoTE50]

I am God ... that is all. In this house anyway. Well a unemployed god , who was just made redundant. Not by another faith , just an employer.And sex ,yes please!

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

ive only got one left nut, what does that make me?

One stone lighter?

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

ive only got one left nut, what does that make me?

'Monorchism' is the correct term.

[bingoTE50]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

ive only got one left nut, what does that make me?

Cylinder deactivated. You wont rattle when you run .

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Yes there may be one in a million, or ten million, but certainly does not justify 33 categories of sex.

May be add 'Lady Boy' for those that have traveled to Thailand

There you go again, guessing!
This condition occurs approximately once in every 4,500 births.
A lot more than what you think.

[mike_nofx]

Seems confusing with all the options. They should ask the question more simply for us Australians to understand.

Q) Were you born with a dick?

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

ive only got one left nut, what does that make me?

Do you have both nuts, like only one left... but also one right?

Or a single nut? Wouldn't it no longer be a left nut but now be a centre nut? Or does it still hang to the left?

In answer to your question, it makes you:

[raised by monkeys]

Originally Posted by b0son

Modern day Australia... you either buy into the narrative, or you're a bigot. You can have an opinion, so long as its the same as mine... right?

The exact opposite of my point; rather, it is the larger portion of the population who grumble about being just male or female.

Originally Posted by b0son

Modern day Australia... you either buy into the narrative, or you're a bigot. You can have an opinion, so long as its the same as mine... right?

You're born male, female, or some form of intersex. Insisting you are a different gender to what your genetics determine you to be is an illness. It is medically defined as a disorder.

Why do we need to provide validation for a tiny fraction of the population? Yes, it sucks to be them, but it sucks to be a lot of people for a variety of different reasons,

Do we give schizophrenics multiple census forms, one for themselves and a few for their imaginary friends? People with MPD might want a few extras too.

Refusing to look outside of biased standpoint because it agrees with the dominant mainstream society, yes, can be interpreted as bigotry. I am not talking about agreeing with me, its about challenging what we know or believe. Look at social Darwinism in the 1800's of Australia; it was thought to be so right, but it was so wrong.

We are talking about identity, and allowing people to have their say.

So what if we validate minority groups. The larger dominant mainstream culture has nothing to lose by providing that point of validation. I mean "oh no, we validated someone's identity which is out of the norm". How does that impact anyone.

The point about oppression is that it removes power from one group and gives it to another. This leads to structural oppression; leading to dominant social constructions.

[Crazy Dazz]

In all seriousness, so-called "tolerance" and "acceptance" HAS gone too far, especially when it comes to bona fide Mental Illness.
I'm not suggesting we return to 100 years ago, when people the least bit different were classified as deviant and thrown in Asylums to be cured. But we have swung so far the other way, that we now "accept" people instead of getting them help.

True Story: There was a guy at work who was going through some tough times. He was always what you might call "highly strung," his teenage son was struggling ADHD, etc. Then his wife left him, told him he was loser and the cause of all her unhappiness (the usual.)
Next day he comes to work in his wife's clothes.

Shortly thereafter to jetted off to Thailand to have his genitals removed.

Now I didn't actually work with this person, they weren't a friend or even a close colleague. But I still couldn't help thinking that what he needed was psychiatric help and counselling, not "acceptance" of his bizarre choices.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by raised by monkeys

The exact opposite of my point; rather, it is the larger portion of the population who grumble about being just male or female.

Because statistically, it is the majority that determine what is normal. A tiny fraction of the population that identify as a gender they were not born with is by definition aberrant/abnormal.

Refusing to look outside of biased standpoint because it agrees with the dominant mainstream society, yes, can be interpreted as bigotry.

No, its simply not accepting your definition of what is or isnt normal.

We are talking about identity, and allowing people to have their say.

No, we're talking about mental/neurological illness. There are illnesses that are psychological in basis that can be managed via counselling, etc. There are illnesses that are hard-wired and cannot be medicated away (eg. autism, some types of gender identity disorder, etc). But they are illnesses and should be described as so. There is nothing *normal* about identifying as a gender you were not born with biologically, and its ridiculous to be teaching kids that it is. Medically, we should be aiming for a way in which this can be treated.

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

In answer to your question, it makes you:

image

yeah just one, but its twice the size. just running on one cylinder.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

yeah just one, but its twice the size. just running on one cylinder.

pretty much this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MLkbHkxk-g

[Junkyard-Dog]

I guess you could argue that castrated males (eunuchs) should be in a different category altogether and I'm not joking about this because apparently there are still millions of "hijras" in South East Asia. These are males that were castrated at a young age in a ritual. It is usually against their will or they would have no real understanding of what they are giving up due to their young age at the time of castration.

They have no access to hormone treatment and over time they become what was referred to in the Kama Sutra as "triteeyaprakrti"(the third sex).

In fact there is a category of singing based off this that is known as "castrato" and these individuals are prized in certain cultures for their unique, child-like singing quality. It used to be a big thing in European culture too, both in classical music and Opera.

[TUF_302]

Pen!s= Male
Vagina= Female

Simple i thought!

[STINKY NINJA]

Im a lesbian trapped in a mans body...
Seriously though, my wifes nephew always wanted to be a girl,probably still does,its definitely a mindset,mental thing that they have no choice in,no point in hating these poor people,life is one big grey area.
Doesn't bother me at all tbh except bruce jenner is one ugly *** reassigned woman,that really makes me feel ill...

[pottery beige]

male

middle class and white

sha - mon

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by b0son

Modern day Australia... you either buy into the narrative, or you're a bigot. You can have an opinion, so long as its the same as mine... right?

So if someone says a bigoted thing they're not a bigot?

You're born male, female, or some form of intersex. Insisting you are a different gender to what your genetics determine you to be is an illness. It is medically defined as a disorder.

The thirty-three options aside, somebody born one gender but is convinced they're born in the wrong body and do a whole range of things to change their gender, be it hormone therapy, sex change operation, or other approaches... too bad for them, they're Male/Female forever due to their birth status?

Going by that logic all married women who take their husbands' name should retain their maiden name, because it's not the name they were born with.

All women who have suffered mastectomies due to breast cancer should not bother with reconstructive surgery because they're not "real t1ttays"

I should stick to buying Falcons, because they're what I always drove up until this year.

Why do we need to provide validation for a tiny fraction of the population? Yes, it sucks to be them, but it sucks to be a lot of people for a variety of different reasons,

What is the point of a census if as many options as possible aren't included?

[The Yeti]

If I read this right, I'm not a male anymore I'm Cis Male

I'm really not trying to offend any one here as I can't even begin to understand what a person with a a gender issue is going thought but **** me that seems like a lot of over lapping bull ****

So now a Man (A person born as a male, and who identifies as a male) isn't a man or male they're a Cis Male (Cis is short for cisgender. A cisgender male is a male who identifies as a man)

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

If I read this right, I'm not a male anymore I'm Cis Male

I'm really not trying to offend any one here as I can't even begin to I again what a person with a a gender issue is going thought but **** me that seems like a lot of over lapping bull ****

So a

Man: A person born as a male, and who identifies as a male.

How is that different from a

Cis Male: Cis is short for cisgender. A cisgender male is a male who identifies as a man.

Good point. If this isn't an option in the census, I demand action and an apology.

[Express]

Originally Posted by blueoval

Be careful, that could offend people born with 2 dicks.

Are you talking about this fellow.

He was in the news a few years back and since he revealed his addition there has been many articles and some books on him.

Most people born with anomalies like this have corrective surgery at birth, this fellow's mother wouldn't allow it.

If you are not easily offended go to the end of the article and click on the links for photos flaccid and erect.


http://www.mamamia.com.au/man-born-with-two-penises/


There are many people who are born different to us in many different ways, there is no need for us to dismiss or make fun of them.


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[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by blueoval

As a atheist time travelling schizophrenic vegan alien from asia with a swedish sudanese heritage and also gender/prehistoric fluid relating to trees and meat eating toads, I take offense to the lack of respect for my equality needs and demand all days ending in X be given a candlelight vigil for my recognition. This is not a joke.

Your a vegan?

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

ive only got one left nut, what does that make me?

I thought everyone only had one left nut? I've only got one left nut, I've also only got one right nut

If you had two left nuts you'd probably need special under pants

[TUF_302]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

Your a vegan?

If he was you would know trust me lol

[Ratmick]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

ive only got one left nut, what does that make me?

Lop-sided?

[MITCHAY]

Gender and sex are often used interchangeably probably because they are more often than not the same but the meanings are different which is quite often overlooked.

It has no effect on my life and the majority of people but may help others to feel included.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Gender and sex are often used interchangeably probably because they are more often than not the same but the meanings are different which is quite often overlooked.

It has no effect on my life and the majority of people but may help others to feel included.

this post wins this thread

[xr6-FTW]

The title of this thread cracks me up ahahha, space ship **** thats funny. To raise my point here though its really obvious now that society is just completely and utterly ******. Thank you, words of wisdom from Nick.

[Franco Cozzo]

Gender: CIS Spaceship
Age: 13
Identity: Working class
Values: None

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

Your a vegan?

Only on days ending in X

Originally Posted by Express

Are you talking about this fellow.

He was in the news a few years back and since he revealed his addition there has been many articles and some books on him.

Most people born with anomalies like this have corrective surgery at birth, this fellow's mother wouldn't allow it.

If you are not easily offended go to the end of the article and click on the links for photos flaccid and erect.


http://www.mamamia.com.au/man-born-with-two-penises/


There are many people who are born different to us in many different ways, there is no need for us to dismiss or make fun of them.


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Im not making fun of anybody. I'd rather not look at penises either regardless if its for medical reasons or not thankyou.

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by blueoval

Only on days ending in X



Im not making fun of anybody. I'd rather not look at penises either regardless if its for medical reasons or not thankyou.

That's such a closed minded view

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

So if someone says a bigoted thing they're not a bigot?

Who is the one authorised to determine who is saying bigoted things??

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

The thirty-three options aside, somebody born one gender but is convinced they're born in the wrong body and do a whole range of things to change their gender, be it hormone therapy, sex change operation, or other approaches... too bad for them, they're Male/Female forever due to their birth status?

100% correct, if you are born with block and tackle you are a MAN or male of your species, you are not supposed to change that and mess with nature, it's not like we all go around deciding what sex we would like to be.

We are born what we are, I would love to be a few inches taller and be a professional basketball player, but I am not, so that's how I have to live my life.

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Going by that logic all married women who take their husbands' name should retain their maiden name, because it's not the name they were born with.

All women who have suffered mastectomies due to breast cancer should not bother with reconstructive surgery because they're not "real t1ttays"

I should stick to buying Falcons, because they're what I always drove up until this year.

Why?? What has changing you name got to do with mutilating your body and private parts?? Ever heard the expression of a straw man argument??

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

What is the point of a census if as many options as possible aren't included?

What census??? Did you even read the link??