The new Aurion

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by 4.0i OHC

Meet the new car, same as the old car (from the A to C pillars)

This car isnt the only 'new' car either.

Originally Posted by csv8

Who would pay $49k for a 6 cylinder Camry????????????? It would beinteresting to know how many Presara's have been sold..has more kit than the G6E !!

Funny looking Camry. Haters gonna hate though.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Funny looking Camry. Haters gonna hate though.

Well what else can they do? Besides... it's a faux sporty car, for faux car people. I can't wait to see the sports cardigans to go with it. Like sports seats they'll come in black with your colour choice of stitching, and piping.

[davenl5l]

yep bucket time

[Poetic Justice]

Tough crowd.

So harsh on Australian built product and then get so defensive when people give it to Ford. Contradictory at times, much?

It's definitely not quite as alright on the eyes as the previous model (and that wasn't a stunner either) which is a result of it not having it's sports styling done in Australia as per the first generation.

However, it's kit is fantastic. What is it missing compared to other luxury models? I feel the price is reasonable, though at Presara level it won't sell fantastically.

It's disappointing to note that Toyota did everything they could to justify to themselves that FWD wouldn't be a disappointment, but if they'd persisted with a RWD platform from Lexus for instance, they may have even justified a higher price and been able to lure away certain Ford and Holden drivers. Yet, they went with their own opinion and have since not succeeded in the class.

Having said that, anyone who has driven one understands it is actually quite a punchy, responsive V6 and based on the dramatic change of vehicle between the previous generation and new generation Camry, this Aurion is sure to be ahead again of its predecessor.

As for the A-C pillar comment, this car is completely new with no carry over panels. Hardly as bad as what Ford and Holden do these days. Current Territory, perhaps?

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by SCUD

Tough crowd.

So harsh on Australian built product and then get so defensive when people give it to Ford. Contradictory at times, much?

It's definitely not quite as alright on the eyes as the previous model (and that wasn't a stunner either) which is a result of it not having it's sports styling done in Australia as per the first generation.

However, it's kit is fantastic. What is it missing compared to other luxury models? I feel the price is reasonable, though at Presara level it won't sell fantastically.

It's disappointing to note that Toyota did everything they could to justify to themselves that FWD wouldn't be a disappointment, but if they'd persisted with a RWD platform from Lexus for instance, they may have even justified a higher price and been able to lure away certain Ford and Holden drivers. Yet, they went with their own opinion and have since not succeeded in the class.

Having said that, anyone who has driven one understands it is actually quite a punchy, responsive V6 and based on the dramatic change of vehicle between the previous generation and new generation Camry, this Aurion is sure to be ahead again of its predecessor.

As for the A-C pillar comment, this car is completely new with no carry over panels. Hardly as bad as what Ford and Holden do these days. Current Territory, perhaps?

This!


I don't understand the Toyota hate...yes they maybe FWD and don't have V8's or "proper" performance...

But they are not meant to be...

The Aurion is a good all round car...you hardly notice the FWD layout (until you give it a large boot-full) around town, the v6 is more then enough for most driving scenarios.

And its no more boring then a Xt falcon...

When Toyota can offer a Aurion with keyless entry and ignition and Ford can't with the falcon...thats pathetic.

Great australian product, that people forget.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

Well what else can they do? Besides... it's a faux sporty car

So are the XR6...S and SR pack falcons....

Not everyone in the world is a chest beating bogan who needs a V8 to pretend its bathurst on a trip to work or over the coast

[4.0i OHC]

Originally Posted by SCUD

As for the A-C pillar comment, this car is completely new with no carry over panels. Hardly as bad as what Ford and Holden do these days. Current Territory, perhaps?

Yes, I realise that the panels are all new, but they aren't really styled any differently to the old car (of course this also applies to the new Camry). I definitely haven't seen Ford and Holden do anything like this. As for the Territory, it is not a completely new car, it's a mid life update (such as ED to EF, VP to VR). Not at all an equivalent scenario.

[4.0i OHC]

Originally Posted by Nikked

So are the XR6...S and SR pack falcons....

Not everyone in the world is a chest beating bogan who needs a V8 to pretend its bathurst on a trip to work or over the coast

These cars have torque and actually handle. Their reason for existence is not merely to provide the most 'kit' or 'fruit' for the money. A car could be so 'fruity' that it goes to a gay bar every Friday night, but if it's torqueless and doesn't handle or steer, it's not for me.

However I do commend Toyota for allowing more Australian input into the design of the car.

[Brazen]

Saw a new dark grey Aurion Presara up close in the metal this morning. It looks a million bucks.

Honestly wouldnt of been suprised if it was an $80,000 Lexus. Paint quality and panel fit better than a Mercedes.

[FacultY]

I quite like the Presara model. Has some pretty neat features such DAB+ radio, sunroof, JBL speakers, touch screen etc. And interior finish is top notch. FG G6E Mk2 should of really bought more to the table.

[DK30RB]

Originally Posted by csv8

Who would pay $49k for a 6 cylinder Camry????????????? It would be interesting to know how many Presara's have been sold..has more kit than the G6E !!

When was the last time anyone paid the list price for a car. There are deals to be made.

My last purchase had an RRP of $76k.. Drove it away for $66k. Wasn't a stock item either and had to be ordered!!

Should be able to drive the Presara away for under $48k ($49k list doesn't include onroads i assume).

[csv8]

Originally Posted by FacultY

I quite like the Presara model. Has some pretty neat features such DAB+ radio, sunroof, JBL speakers, touch screen etc. And interior finish is top notch. FG G6E Mk2 should of really bought more to the table.

G6E should have DAB+ radio...

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by DK30RB

When was the last time anyone paid the list price for a car. There are deals to be made.

My last purchase had an RRP of $76k.. Drove it away for $66k. Wasn't a stock item either and had to be ordered!!

Should be able to drive the Presara away for under $48k ($49k list doesn't include onroads i assume).

You can get a Presara for about 45 kay if you shop around...

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by Nikked

This!


I don't understand the Toyota hate...yes they maybe FWD and don't have V8's or "proper" performance...

But they are not meant to be...

The Aurion is a good all round car...you hardly notice the FWD layout (until you give it a large boot-full) around town, the v6 is more then enough for most driving scenarios.

And its no more boring then a Xt falcon...

When Toyota can offer a Aurion with keyless entry and ignition and Ford can't with the falcon...thats pathetic.

Great australian product, that people forget.

It's just Australian built. It's not Australian designed. And it's still a Toyota camry, with a V6 in it. Then they went and put that sports kit on it. Plus there is already plenty of hate of Falcon and Territory here, and this is a Ford website. Not to mention the Commodore. So shut up.

Originally Posted by Nikked

So are the XR6...S and SR pack falcons....

Not everyone in the world is a chest beating bogan who needs a V8 to pretend its bathurst on a trip to work or over the coast

Some 200kw retiree's sedan certainly isn't. At least falcons have mostly always had a nice steering feel, that's pretty direct. The ingredients were there. Engine sounds lovely. Put on a sports exhaust, a spoiler, mags, and stiffer suspension. Make a better sports car then that racing cardigan.

[4.0i OHC]

I do not see the point of this car. If I wanted a large FWD auto car with plenty of fruit, I'd buy a Mondeo Titanium, and benefit from better handling (Mondeo suspension is superbly judged in terms of both ride comfort and body control), sharper steering (Mondeo steering is brimming with feedback) and a heap of usable torque (from effectively just off idle).

I am no FWD hater.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

Well what else can they do? Besides... it's a faux sporty car, for faux car people. I can't wait to see the sports cardigans to go with it. Like sports seats they'll come in black with your colour choice of stitching, and piping.

Without creating an argument. So an XR6 is......a proper sports car then eh. An XR6 is a much a performance car as a Sportivo. Come on least it (Aurion) has some decent options for a 2012 car unlike the falcon.
Dont talk about modding the cars either, that generally isnt in the mindset of the people that buy these cars.
That said, neither of them are on my to purchase list for my next car.
But if it were me id probably buy a mondeo so i could keep a Ford powered car if i were looking for a car in this category.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Without creating an argument. So an XR6 is......a proper sports car then eh. An XR6 is a much a performance car as a Sportivo. Come on least it (Aurion) has some decent options for a 2012 car unlike the falcon.
Dont talk about modding the cars either, that generally isnt in the mindset of the people that buy these cars.
That said, neither of them are on my to purchase list for my next car.
But if it were me id probably buy a mondeo so i could keep a Ford powered car if i were looking for a car in this category.

Well no. Sports saloon is the correct term and the one we should be using. 270hp inline, 6 speed manual. RWD. To quote Jeremy Clarkson it comes straight out of the Petrosexual handbook. Page one. Chapter one.

XR6 = better sports saloon than Aurion Sportivo. And no we aren't talking gadgets and gizmo's and nonsense. And for the asking price of the Aurion. That's an XR6T with a couple options. And the XR6T is a proper sports saloon, don't say otherwise.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

Well no. Sports saloon is the correct term and the one we should be using. 270hp inline, 6 speed manual. RWD. To quote Jeremy Clarkson it comes straight out of the Petrosexual handbook. Page one. Chapter one.

XR6 = better sports saloon than Aurion Sportivo. And no we aren't talking gadgets and gizmo's and nonsense. And for the asking price of the Aurion. That's an XR6T with a couple options. And the XR6T is a proper sports saloon, don't say otherwise.

Now your splitting hairs. The highlighted bit is YOUR opinion i can live with that no issues, i can only give an opinion as i havnt driven an Aurion.
They are both povo pack cars with a body kit, RWD, FWD, AWD it makes no difference to the main buyers of these cars. Just because JC said so doesnt make it so.
Yeah of course the XR6T is better ill admit that for sure and never said it wasnt.
It doesnt even compete with the XR6 or the Sportivo, even though it is priced comparatively with the later.
It just annoys me that people write cars off because of what they think is right, before they have driven one, they read what journos type or havnt even driven many cars themselves to get half an idea.

[saam]

ALL i can say is that if toyota get their styling right and have more motor options, then ford and holden can pack up and go home

I worked at toyota many moons ago, its a company that listens to their customers

[Auslandau]

Very conservatively Sporty I would call it. Should of course do well. Problem I had with the write up is there was an add for an I45 smack in the middle. Looks department I prefer the later.

Originally Posted by Nikked

So are the XR6...S and SR pack falcons....
Not everyone in the world is a chest beating bogan who needs a V8 to pretend its bathurst on a trip to work or over the coast

So ....... no one can dislike the Camry now but bagging the crap out of Fords is still the going thing. Great that you just kicked in the teeth of everyone here who owns a V8.

To be politically correct for some ..... All makes and models are perfect .... except Fords. Should make a few happier now.

See what I did there??

[Bossxr8]

Whats up with all the tools who feel like it is their mission to praise every other manufacturer and their cars but bag Fords all the time, on a Ford Forum.

What the hell is going on here, this has been building for months and its just getting ridiculous now. You know things have gone pear shaped when you can't even bag boring, dull Toyotas without people trying to defend them. WTF.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Now your splitting hairs. The highlighted bit is YOUR opinion i can live with that no issues, i can only give an opinion as i havnt driven an Aurion.
They are both povo pack cars with a body kit, RWD, FWD, AWD it makes no difference to the main buyers of these cars. Just because JC said so doesnt make it so.
Yeah of course the XR6T is better ill admit that for sure and never said it wasnt.
It doesnt even compete with the XR6 or the Sportivo, even though it is priced comparatively with the later.
It just annoys me that people write cars off because of what they think is right, before they have driven one, they read what journos type or havnt even driven many cars themselves to get half an idea.

Now you're slowly seeing my point. It's the recipe. I'm not saying it's a bad car... im just saying that these big FWD V6 cars with body kits are faux sports saloon, and their very idea are laughable. They are a faux pas. Especially this Aurion... which is basically, a V6 Camry, with an E3 GTS bodykit. This car is (to go back to recipe) a carrot cake with mock icing. Carrot cake is fine... but not great. With creamcheese icing.. it's more fattening but loveable.

I just don't see why they have to change the cardigan. Just embrace it. Snuggle in the merino wool and enjoy the fine tailoring. Just don't get 'TRD' embroidered over the heart.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

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So ....... no one can dislike the Camry now but bagging the crap out of Fords is still the going thing. Great that you just kicked in the teeth of everyone here who owns a V8.

To be politically correct for some ..... All makes and models are perfect .... except Fords. Should make a few happier now.

See what I did there??

Hey, i like my ford's blue blooded and true...and i know the FG is damn good peice of machinery...best thing australia has done. But so is the aurion in some aspects, less asutralian, but shows what can be offered in the segment.

Mind you, only the non-sports models of the new aurion look good...the sporty one looks like it was done on NFS...but even then, it has some agressiveness to it that poeple don't assume from toyota.


If i had the choice...falcon...

Nothing against V8's either, i just get the feeling people think that anything with out one is inferior.

[flooded one]

everyone bad mouths the aurion but yet how many people have actually driven it?? in terms of performance you would be suprised just how quick the bloody things are. even those old V6 Camrys with a 5 speed manual in the late 90s/ early 2000's used too **** ball stock standard VT/VX commodores V6s at the time!! seriously i'm not joking!! its funny watching a tool in his VT getting beat buy a car thats ment too be slow!! I just wished toyota made a rear wheel drive sedan with a V8 option. besides that the aurion is a not a bad car. i thought the aurion handled well considering its front wheel drive. i perfer the FGs handling better thou. thats just my opinion on it. if you get a chance drive one!!! you'd be suprised at just how responsive its motor is

[MethodX]

Just out of curiosity.... Did anyone drive that TRD Aurion a few years back?
And if so.. how was it?

[Fairlane]

I think the number one thing that annoys me is that Toyota make awesome RWD large cars like the Mark X & Crown but dont send them here. Instead they keep building Camry's, I can understand that they need the export market and they make way more for export than for local sale, still annoys me though.

[Poetic Justice]

Agreed; Fairlane. Those Mark X and Crown vehicles look sensational too and would do well in Australia's market.

I wasn't having a go at Fords, I love Fords and I would certainly buy a Falcon ahead of an Aurion based on emotion.

However, I only defend Toyotas because I work for Toyota. When you take your head out of the sand and attempt to appreciate cars for what they are, and not the badge on the front, you can see great things about them. It is simply disappointing that people automatically without any experience can label the Aurion a cardigan boring old vehicle simply because it's a Toyota. All I'm suggesting is, that to get in and experience one (and don't just tell us about the 3 year old base model rent-a-car you drove that has probably been flogged more than a 15yo's weiner and had more hits than elvis) you may be pleasantly surprised.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Whats up with all the tools who feel like it is their mission to praise every other manufacturer and their cars but bag Fords all the time, on a Ford Forum.

What the hell is going on here, this has been building for months and its just getting ridiculous now. You know things have gone pear shaped when you can't even bag boring, dull Toyotas without people trying to defend them. WTF.

Too bloody right it only took to the start of the second page.
Camry, Aurion, whatever, just another bland jappa that will get lost in the carpark. For a world car it is stuck in the 1990s. Compare it to a new A4/Passat/508/Mondeo to see what boring dated shyte it is.
And yeah before the haters mention it considering Ford Au and Holdens budget they punch well above their weight.

[duaned]

The way I see it, the Aurion's build quality, choice of materials and fit & finish will certainly be well above that of the falcon ( this area just has to be average to beat a falcon) reliabilty & less mechanical issues will be well above the Falcon, but after that is said, it is still not a Falcon! The looks of the FG, and as a driver, the driving experience IS present with the Falcon, this has not been Toyota's strongest area with the Aurion. I wont be buying another Ford again, but may consider buying an Aurion when Bingo and Golf become my way of living life.

[washoutbeach]

I have been driving Toyotas for years, now I own a Ford. I will never own a Toyota again.

The Ford drives a lot better. I don't know people are afraid of the 4 litre. You hardly ever use the extra donk. The smoothness of the ride is inspiring. I like driving it, it makes me feel good. No such joy in Toyota- the driving experience is easily forgettable.