School 1960 v 2007

[OLDFORDNUT]

Originally Posted by Force6

What a sad world we live in, where we must resort to physically abusing our children in order to discipline them.

But, whatever works.

yes our kids who went to school with the ones who never got punished for anything at home had to cop the spoilt kids evil nasty no respect attitudes and all because the parent never did there job, thats why 20 years later we live in times that we wonder if our teenagers will come home from pubs clubs in one piece,
go the do gooders

[dave289]

Thats whats happens when you let to much crap in the front door.things change.just great....

[XM-221]

Originally Posted by |||

bring back the cane to fix all those problems. you dont feel like acting like a scallywag when your knuckles or backside have been beaten red raw

Be careful ||| .. some of them might like that : :

Sleekism I'm with you ... 70's and 80's for me :disco:

[cupic]

The 60's kids have all grow up relative sane and normal per se

the kids of today are well you know

While corporate punishment is wrong, discipline isn't

The cane strap all where put to good use you do the crime you get what you desevre

and life moves on

[Daymoe]

Originally Posted by cupic

The 60's kids have all grow up relative sane and normal per se

the kids of today are well you know

While corporate punishment is wrong, discipline isn't

The cane strap all where put to good use you do the crime you get what you desevre

and life moves on

I say bring back corporal punishment, the death penalty needs to be brought back (This is coming from a kid born in the 90s). The scum of my generation need a lesson hehe.

[Ford_V8]

Originally Posted by 90sFTW

I say bring back corporal punishment, the death penalty needs to be brought back (This is coming from a kid born in the 90s). The scum of my generation need a lesson hehe.

So true. Although there are just as many teachers around who would abuse their position of power and hit kids purely because they do not agree with them. I think police need to have the ability to have a more physical presence in the community, I cannot believe that it has become front page news and there are hundreds of whiny little girls complaining that they used capsicum spray. What is the point in even carrying a firearm or baton if you are hounded for a week for using the least intrusive method of dealing with a situation, more to the point what's the point in even having a police force if they are not allowed to do anything remotely physical without being labeled as corrupt and unneccessarily violent. I'm definitely in favour of a "flog now, ask questions later" attitude to policing as I'd say close to 80-90% of kids my age (16-18) need a kick up the .

[Daymoe]

Originally Posted by Ford_V8

So true. Although there are just as many teachers around who would abuse their position of power and hit kids purely because they do not agree with them. I think police need to have the ability to have a more physical presence in the community, I cannot believe that it has become front page news and there are hundreds of whiny little girls complaining that they used capsicum spray. What is the point in even carrying a firearm or baton if you are hounded for a week for using the least intrusive method of dealing with a situation, more to the point what's the point in even having a police force if they are not allowed to do anything remotely physical without being labeled as corrupt and unneccessarily violent. I'm definitely in favour of a "flog now, ask questions later" attitude to policing as I'd say close to 80-90% of kids my age (16-18) need a kick up the .

Down at a yearly festival where my school is from has, country town with about 20-30,000 people (approx) and all the smartA feral kids from my school went down to cause trouble as usual, they complained when the cops used the spray on them, got physical then took em to the cop shop haha, it made me laugh. They got what they deserved. I agree with your first line though, i know a few teachers at my school who would love to beat up on anyone they could.

[Booka]

Dose anyone have a time machine im gonna go back to the 60's it sound like we can have a bit of fun.

Originally Posted by xbcool

imagine how it will be in 2037 (hope I'm still here to see it)

I hope im not, its bad enough now, by then i will not be able to drive a v8, becuause there wont be any fuel!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Daymoe]

I'm sure we'd be using Hydrogen by then hehe ;)

[XCSEDAN]

yeah times now are pretty screwed up, everybody is sugar coated and bubble rapped.

world is full of pussies, i go out with mates and i'm the only one who will stand up and defend myself if i need to....

i would love to go back to the 80s buy an XA GT, cruise round, relax, cheap houses, but spastic intrest rates... and it was hard to get a job.... hrmmm there are positives and negetives to all situations you see!!!!

i for one am for diciplining children, not abusing, just if they are naughty you send them to their room and give them a smack on the bum or the back of the hand if they need it, hell i turned out alright... sure the rest of you mob would!

[Daymoe]

Originally Posted by 90sFTW

Down at a yearly festival where my school is from has, country town with about 20-30,000 people (approx) and all the smartA feral kids from my school went down to cause trouble as usual, they complained when the cops used the spray on them, got physical then took em to the cop shop haha, it made me laugh. They got what they deserved. I agree with your first line though, i know a few teachers at my school who would love to beat up on anyone they could.

Also quoting my self here, i know the majority would hit back if the teacher hit us. So it wouldn't work out too well haha.

[J.C.]

The cane, metre rule or tech drawing T-square across the a rse (boy it hurt during winter time) never did me any harm when I went to school. Public humiliation and paying the price and copping the punishment for your mistakes may have hurt back then, but it spelt out a very important message. Spare the rod, spoil the child.

Kids of today (not all mind you) lack numerous forms of self discipline. They do what they want, when they want and how they want and to hell with anyone else. Not to mention it is all "someone elses fault". Getting them to do a hard days work is beyond a joke (be easier to donate a kidney I reckon). They are given everything and give little in return.

Worst part about it all is WE are responsible to some degree for this "attitude" that they have.

I may not the the worlds best dad, but my children know that there are consequences in everything that you do. Taking responsibility for your actions is part of what makes you the person you "want" to be and you are also influenced by the people you associate with.

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by 90sFTW

Also quoting my self here, i know the majority would hit back if the teacher hit us. So it wouldn't work out too well haha.

that is very true.
teachers shouldnt have the need to hit children though, the parents should already have instilled discipline and RESPECT into the child already.
seems that is too much to ask from 90% of the population these days.
seems the parents in most cases should be clipped a few times as well these days, its not the child's fault its been allowed to run amok without consequence.

[JC]

Originally Posted by 90sFTW

Also quoting my self here, i know the majority would hit back if the teacher hit us. So it wouldn't work out too well haha.

So that just shows your lack of respect for your elders and betters.

[discus177]

A sad, sad Australia this has become unfortunately, i copped a hiding when i was younger from my parents when i misbehaved, copped coat hangers, belts you name it lol, and i turned out fine. My lil bro hasn't copped the same, and he's so far off the rail's it's a joke.

Bring back Australianism, not Cottonism :P - My new word!

[XCSEDAN]

Originally Posted by JC

So that just shows your lack of respect for your elders and betters.

mmm sometimes its more standing up for yourself.... i never let anyone get away with hitting me, unless it's a woman, but i spose... i could take a flogging from the teachers if i thought i deserved it...

also with the respect, i always would treat someone with respect until i thought they didnt deserve it, then they have to earn it back. fair is fair i say

my uncle used to cop the cain daily then one day he grabbed the cain out of the principles hand and belted him with it and broke it.... he got expelled but still reckons it was the best thing he ever did at school...

[Trevor 57]

And it is important for us 'older' posters to remember, we have created "these times".

[Fev]

become a psychologist then :P

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by Big_Trev

And it is important for us 'older' posters to remember, we have created "these times".

Exactly.

Am I the only one here who finds it amusing that the people here having a whinge and a sook were the ones who created these times???

It was the baby boomer generation who were all "you can't discipline kids maaaaaaan", "everyone should be free to express themselves and smoke weed on the yellow submarine".

It was the baby boomers parents who created the "good times" in the 60's and it was the baby boomers who created the times we have now all soft and bubble wrapped.

I think Dr Chopper has a soundbite..............

http://youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y

[J_Tank]

Originally Posted by xbcool

I can't believe this quote without evidence : : :

That post is useless without pics! LOL

More seriously my parents went to the effort to move my youngest sister out of the primary school we all attended as there was a little tool in the class that took up half the teachers time. Even threw a chair across the classroom and simply nothing was done. the other 30 kids in the class were all disadvantaged because of one individual and the school's failure to address the issue.

[Daymoe]

Originally Posted by JC

So that just shows your lack of respect for your elders and betters.

I respect everyone, my parents have brought me up very well. In fact I've never really stepped out of line. The only time i got a detention at school was for stupid (Once for having 2 pairs of shoes inside class, one on my feet and the other under the table ready to change for after class) or being blamed for something i didn't do.

I've been brought up to respect everyone, like Women and elder people for example.

If a teacher hit me for something i didn't do then the would hit the fan.

[daniel_rossy]

Hahahaaaa,
that is so accurate its starting to scare me.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by sleekism

Exactly.

Am I the only one here who finds it amusing that the people here having a whinge and a sook were the ones who created these times???

It was the baby boomer generation who were all "you can't discipline kids maaaaaaan", "everyone should be free to express themselves and smoke weed on the yellow submarine".

It was the baby boomers parents who created the "good times" in the 60's and it was the baby boomers who created the times we have now all soft and bubble wrapped.

Steady on, I am a baby boomer as well - the bay boomer syndrome started with baby births after the war and went up to 1960, I fall into the late '50's vintage, so this whole 60's thing does not apply.

I was a good disciplinarian, but the difference between us and 'our' parents is that we invited our children on 'our' lives, which is something our parents never did, so our kids get to see us at our rarest, and because we are a lot closer to our kids than our parents were, we get to see their rare side as well.

And I guess for that, there is a price to pay.

The biggest problem facing our young people (and yes, this is concerning some of you) is the breaking down of the family unit, rarely is extended family involved in the raising of children anymore, far too many single parent families.

And because we are so affluent (wealthy), the fact you are involved in a forum tells me we are, we want everything NOW!!!

You young people are the NOW generation, IMHO!

[Deadman]

Originally Posted by davway

the problem with people/kids today is they never got the slap on the ars when they deserved it. plain and simple.

Really? I turned out just fine, and my parents made a decision when I (and then my brother was born) that they would never ever smack or use physical enforcement. My wife's family was actually the same, and her (and her 4 siblings) turned out fine as well.

We're are all respectful young adults. Those of us with kids (not myself yet), don't smack either, and also haven't had any problems yet (although the eldest are only up to 5yrs so far).

I don't believe smacking is always the answer. I to fear the fact that there are so many kids / young adults out there who do appear to have problems. But good parenting is good parenting, it's got nothing to do with smacking.

I feel one of the biggest problems is that parent's expect schools to raise their children for them. In fact, I have had a conversation with someone before who said exactly that.. "I pay the school good money, they are responsible for teaching my daughter right from wrong!". I have seen their child, and feel very sorry for that girl because her dad is a twat. He takes no responsibility and really doesn't even act like a parent. He believes that her "issues" aren't his problem. Very upsetting ...

Maybe it's something to do with lifestyle these days, with both parents forced to work due to the cost of living etc. At the end of the day, I feel, if you can't be a good parent without smacking, then you're not a good parent with smacking.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Deadman

. . . . Maybe it's something to do with lifestyle these days, with both parents forced to work due to the cost of living etc.

In not all cases are parents "forced" to work, both parents work to satisfy their "need for greed".

Most houses these days are well over 20sq and brand new, and there are more than 2 large TV's, a number of DVD players, an SUV and a very good second car in the drive, holidays in appartments on the Gold Coast or even overseas.

People need to focus on the kids, not themselves.

So many times have I heard people saying that "the child (normally a new born) has to fit into my lifestyle" - what a crock, the kid comes first - therein lies the problem.

This is "NOW" generation I was refering to earlier.

My wife now works in child care, so sees this stuff on a daily basis.

BTW, we raised 4 kids under 4 in a 12sq 15yo house. I worked as a truck driver and my wife was a stay-at-home mum, we went on camping holidays down the river in our very 2nd car. 30 years of marriage still sees us together, the kids are nice and stable.


PS - I am sorry if I offend anyone by this post, and if it does offend you - take a closer look in the mirror. :voldar02:

[Bobman]

I agree Trev.

It is a very materialistic world we live on nowadays.

[blueoval]

Big Trev - I agree with everything you have said here. I've been watching where this thread has been going, and even though Im not a baby boomer nor a "NOW" person as mentioned, the mentality of todays society is exactly that, materialistic and selfish.

We may laugh at the jokes in this particular thread, only because its so close to the truth. I think we all need to take a long look at ourselves and assess whose welfare we REALLY are looking out for.

[mcnews]

Man you guys are way too serious :-) I posted it because I thought it was funny. Chill pill dudes.

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by Big_Trev

Steady on, I am a baby boomer as well - the bay boomer syndrome started with baby births after the war and went up to 1960, I fall into the late '50's vintage, so this whole 60's thing does not apply.

I was a good disciplinarian, but the difference between us and 'our' parents is that we invited our children on 'our' lives, which is something our parents never did, so our kids get to see us at our rarest, and because we are a lot closer to our kids than our parents were, we get to see their rare side as well.

And I guess for that, there is a price to pay.

The biggest problem facing our young people (and yes, this is concerning some of you) is the breaking down of the family unit, rarely is extended family involved in the raising of children anymore, far too many single parent families.

And because we are so affluent (wealthy), the fact you are involved in a forum tells me we are, we want everything NOW!!!

You young people are the NOW generation, IMHO!

I think you are very guilty of generalisation.

I can make a generalisation as well about how the baby boomer generation is the most selfish, greedy and destructive generation that has ever existed who are perfectly willing to destroy the future for their children and grandchildren so they can make a few more cents on their shares, have a healthy super payout and a few investment properties.

I have been personally apologised to on behalf of the baby boomer generation by an older guy at work who is disgusted by the greed of his generation and how many who cruised through university either for free or heavily subsidised are willing to impose hefty university fees on younger generations.

I apologise for insulting anyone with my generalisation but this is what it appears to be that the middle aged corporate sharks of the 80's are now setting themselves up for retirement. That they are selling off the family farm that was passed down over generations and telling their kids to "go get your own farm you lazy bum".

No baby boomers in my family. Parents born in the late 60's and grandparents were born in the 40's.

End rant

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by sleekism

I think you are very guilty of generalisation.

I can make a generalisation as well about how the baby boomer generation is the most selfish, greedy and destructive generation that has ever existed who are perfectly willing to destroy the future for their children and grandchildren so they can make a few more cents on their shares, have a healthy super payout and a few investment properties.

I have been personally apologised to on behalf of the baby boomer generation by an older guy at work who is disgusted by the greed of his generation and how many who cruised through university either for free or heavily subsidised are willing to impose hefty university fees on younger generations.

I apologise for insulting anyone with my generalisation but this is what it appears to be that the middle aged corporate sharks of the 80's are now setting themselves up for retirement. That they are selling off the family farm that was passed down over generations and telling their kids to "go get your own farm you lazy bum".

No baby boomers in my family. Parents born in the late 60's and grandparents were born in the 40's.

End rant

All very nice, BUT, the baby boomers did it on their/my own, with no help from anyone, there is no way known their/my parents (WWI & WWII Vetrans, 1930's Depression survivors) could afford to give any finacial help.


Maybe you should go back and read my post, in particular the bit about one income, 4 kids, small old house. Everything we have, we have worked bloody hard for, and our kids will get our house/possessions when we die.