XW Stolen at Gunpoint

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Something does not feel right about this.

Will see how it pans out I guess.

I also read somewhere this is the second time this guy has been car jacked, last time it was an FPV, but this is third hand information I heard.

100K is a lot of insurance $$ though.

Very odd situation, two guys just happen to drive by, they just happen to have a gun, this guy (a mechanic none the less) drives around in the middle of no where in the dark tuning his car, instead of doing it in his workshop or on a dyno or at least over the up coming week end like everyone else, the crooks just happen to be interested in an old muscle car most people would not give a second look, they just happen to be in a semi rural area where this stuff generally does not happen, no witnesses, a car that would be hard to dispose of or sell parts off, they drive a classic 'white van', with a caucasian guy in blue track suit and a hoody with a gun none the less.

Of course there is no rego, not even a partial.

Either this guy is the unluckiest car owner or the planets aligned for the crims who were just randomly driving around camden looking for a broken down muscle car to steal.

I am guessing we will find out what happened soon enough.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by superpursuit05

Exactly what I do when I have my classic out. Pay attention to whose around me as I near home. I never take the direct route to the house and dive down a few side streets to be sure there's no-one following me before I head to the house. I don't park it out front, straight into the shed. We've seriously thought of getting rid of it because the constant stress of worrying over theft or damage is killing the enjoyment of owning it.

I really feel for this poor couple. Sadly I think the publicity might lead to the car being cut up or torched somewhere as I imagine it's now become too risky to part out or keep. I wish the judicial system wasn't so lenient to these ****s.

One just has to remember that the Political Correctness rule this nation now you know.

So you see, to discriminate is a crime now.

One can not point the finger and say someone is wrong or bad, they may of been born that way, you know or evolved as such.

A criminal has rights you know, even more so than the victim. (is that true or false ? )

[MDS69]

^^^^
To me the stolen at gunpoint sounds a little sus as well but you never know....
Let me offer up a few counter claims to some of the above speculation and some of the above has appeared elsewhere by others
Whilst the guy is a mechanic he may not have his own shop so when he gets home has a little tinker for a cruise on the weekend. I went to the Smeaton Grange meet last night and washed my car literally half an hour before I left home as I didn't have time earlier in the day due to kids sport.
He may work six days like a lot of people so has do this stuff of a night.
What would this car be worth. To me doing an insurance job for the payout verse the proceeds from a sale is not worth the risk and also the car is lost forever if it is not recovered intact. You would have no idea how many people carry guns these days, but for the planets to align so to speak to have a non description white van, middle of nowhere, classic car what are the odds but the alledged theives may have followed this guy for a few kays waiting for an unpopulated area.

[Morexbs]

A very odd alignment of planets here.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

This might still be a legit incident, who knows, we are all only speculating, and the police may not be disclosing all the information about the incident that they have.

May be they are waiting for the crook(s) (who ever they may be) to trip up or expose their actions in some way.

There is also word going around that this is the second time the guy has been car jacked last time is was an FPV (not sure if this is true either, but it has been mentioned on other forums).

Crims are not completely stupid, and would mostly be following the car and stealing it, because if they get caught staling a car it carries a very low penalty, many getting off scott free with good behaviour bonds. If they car jack a car at gunpoint it becomes an aggravated robbery, which carries a 25 year prison term and will have cops approaching you with drawn firearms and itchy trigger fingers.

[mik]

you blokes dont give crims enough credit, some of them are quite studious and will case out something they deem as value to them and strike when opportunity presents itself.

have you ever left your house for 30 minutes and when you got back its been broken into and ransacked for valueables ?? we have, and no trace of them by the time we got home,

as for taking the car for a run and making adjustments on the side of the road , been there done that many times, day and night, hobbies dont end at 5 pm.

Edit , in fact regarding a bit of tuning on the road, night time was often the more prefered time, you could give it a squirt without worrying about traffic or other things.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Crims are not completely stupid, and would mostly be following the car and stealing it, because if they get caught staling a car it carries a very low penalty, many getting off scott free with good behaviour bonds. If they car jack a car at gunpoint it becomes an aggravated robbery, which carries a 25 year prison term and will have cops approaching you with drawn firearms and itchy trigger fingers.

BWAHAHAHA 25 years...last car jacker I read about got 4 years, minimum 18 month (so will be out in 18 months) used a weapon, had priors, been disqualified from driving for 7 years, lead cops on 2 hour car chase, cops probably didn't touch him as they may get sued.

You can probably kill the Pime Minister and not get 25 years.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Stefan

BWAHAHAHA 25 years...last car jacker I read about got 4 years, minimum 18 month (so will be out in 18 months) used a weapon, had priors, been disqualified from driving for 7 years, lead cops on 2 hour car chase, cops probably didn't touch him as they may get sued.

You can probably kill the Pime Minister and not get 25 years.

Whether or not the maximum penalty is imposed has nothing to do with the facts.

Robbery 25 years :

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/n...90082/s97.html

Stealing 5 years :

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/n...0082/s117.html

So which one would be more likely to attract a custodial sentence or more severe punishment?? Which one would carry less risk?? Which one would be investigated by robbery detectives?? Which one would have cops on a higher alert??

Seems you are still struggling with the whole common sense thing

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Whether or not the maximum penalty is imposed has nothing to do with the facts.

Robbery 25 years :

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/n...90082/s97.html

Stealing 5 years :

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/n...0082/s117.html

So which one would be more likely to attract a custodial sentence or more severe punishment?? Which one would carry less risk?? Which one would be investigated by robbery detectives?? Which one would have cops on a higher alert??

Seems you are still struggling with the whole common sense thing

Yep makes perfect sense....there must be be no weapon related crime in Sydney...risks are too great. Crims are much too smart

Yeah common sense..this car was not stolen...

[Iggle Piggle]

Originally Posted by Stefan

You can probably kill the Pime Minister and not get 25 years.

Maybe the current one and the few before him, but reckon you'd get 25 if you knocked one of the good ones.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Yep makes perfect sense....there must be be no weapon related crime in Sydney...risks are too great. Crims are much too smart

Who said anything about no weapon related crime in Sydney? You really are struggling with basic comprehension

I simply pointed out that armed robbery attracts a much higher penalty that stealing, which is a fact, and most crims will know this, and any crim with half a brain would not be bothered stealing a XW Falcon at gun point as they are easily stolen when parked in a garage or shed and the owner is at work, unlike other high end cars that get car jacked where you need a key to steal the car, and they can not easily be stolen.

It's pretty basic really, not sure what goes on in your imaginary world but them is the facts.

[pottery beige]

You chasing a medal ?? Or a chest to pin it on ??

[kokonut]

My first post . Hi aLL.
I don't know anything about classic car registration numbers.. But is a car reg plate ending with the letter H highly unusual? I saw 2 cars which looked to be like the stolen. car which appeared to be travelling together yesterday.. One of the cars had reg number ending with "H" .

[FPV+fteT3]

Welcome to the forum the H plate is for historic vehicles these are club plates and found on vehicles of special interest over @30 years old. Car must be owned by someone who is a member of a recognised car club and the car is limited in its use. i.e. not a daily driver and only used on club events etc...

[HULK_I6T]

Whilst it seems opportunistic sadly these things happen.

Many years back i had an expensive car audio setup in my xf falcon. Parked it in every night. I returned on christmas night thinking surely noone would take it on christmas. (Dont crims celebrate xmas?)

I woke up on boxing day with windows smashed and car audio setup gone. Was covered by insurance and i added a car alarm ... first night i got the car back about 2 weeks later, parked it out and rear window smashed but alarm sounded and thiefs sped off. The tint didnt even set yet on the new window and i was back at the tint place for another tint. I had to sell whole stereo.. after that left car open everywhere and noone touched it

Its sad but people suss you out and take things at first chance

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

You chasing a medal ?? Or a chest to pin it on ??

Already have both, just pointing out and clarifying the facts other's appear to try and obscure with stupid comments. But from your smart assed comment I am guessing you are also struggling with the basics.

May be instead of having a poor attempt of being smart add something useful to the topic at hand.

[BOSS 540]

If the car was an original GT in good condition wouldnt it be worth close to the insured value anyway? Why would anyone risk getting busted pulling an insurance job? The only benefit is avoiding all the deadbeats you get when selling a car.
After seeing the guy on TV he looked pretty devastated, if all the heresay on here is correct he should get an academy award.

[xxx000]

to me there's no evidence whatsoever that this is anything other than genuine

why does everyone think so many events are 'suss' and have crazy theories to 'back up' their thoughts?

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Already have both, just pointing out and clarifying the facts other's appear to try and obscure with stupid comments. But from your smart assed comment I am guessing you are also struggling with the basics.

May be instead of having a poor attempt of being smart add something useful to the topic at hand.

$10 says you mouth typed that post

[kokonut]

Originally Posted by FPV+fteT3

Welcome to the forum the H plate is for historic vehicles these are club plates and found on vehicles of special interest over @30 years old. Car must be owned by someone who is a member of a recognised car club and the car is limited in its use. i.e. not a daily driver and only used on club events etc...

Thanks for the reply.
I reported my sighting to the police 20 mins after I saw it.. being that the stolen car reg ended in H. I couldn't remember the car reg that I saw..only the H. Could have been innocent as I said to the Police..but they said yeah thats fine..we'll look check it out.

[Hemihunter]

good on you for taking the time to report it , many people these days would not have ....at least you have done your part up to the cops to do there part now

[noflac52]

According to some posts in here someone who has their car stolen is immediately guilty of an insurance scam (in the court of public opinion) until proven innocent!!!!

[Bosko]

Originally Posted by noflac52

According to some posts in here someone who has their car stolen is immediately guilty of an insurance scam (in the court of public opinion) until proven innocent!!!!

Well said!

Some people think they just know everything!

[bungarra]

To those assuming and making comments regarding this being a scam, I will give you some advice based on having had a vehicle I dearly enjoyed being stolen. I was accused by people for doing an insurance job (car was actually insured less than it was worth though), even to the point someone informed police i had done an insurance job.

Fortunately, even though charged on hearsay evidence, I was fortunate a car theft ring got busted the night before I was due in court and my car was one of 10 found being stripped in a "reputable" workshop.

The people who were quick to claim an insurance job soon found themselves in court for defamation. Today with electronic footprints, this car owner could get a court order for admins to hand over details of everyone who has defamed him.

So be careful what you say or write, you can legally be taken for a lot of money as I did to those that made accusations against me.

[LoudPipes]

Without getting into a long winded rundown on how defamation laws work, no-one in this thread has said anything to be alarmed about.

Making comment along the lines of, seems like, sounds like, a bit fishy, sounds doubtful, sounds a little sus and finding something hard to believe will not see anyone in court.

Personally I think the car was probably stolen but who knows?

[FGX335]

How about this? If you have nothing nice to say, shut the **** up and get a life. There is so much negativity in this world, I can't even watch the news now because it depresses the **** out of me. Tall Poppy Syndrome is alive and well in this country, and the victims are always made to feel like it was their fault. How about the **** who pushed a gun in his face? How about the accomplice who was probably laughing watching it go down? How about the ****** dismantling it for parts in a nondescript warehouse?

Too many ****** these days think the worst in everything, and it's why I get the ***** with people and prefer my own company. Serious, grow the **** up and give this guy some support, not the third degree.

Rant over.

[Dash_XR]

On the way to rob 7/11 thinks "hey wouldn't it be easier to just steal that instead? Probably worth a bit."

Case closed.

[FPV+fteT3]

Originally Posted by FGX335

How about this? If you have nothing nice to say, shut the **** up and get a life. There is so much negativity in this world, I can't even watch the news now because it depresses the **** out of me. Tall Poppy Syndrome is alive and well in this country, and the victims are always made to feel like it was their fault. How about the **** who pushed a gun in his face? How about the accomplice who was probably laughing watching it go down? How about the ****** dismantling it for parts in a nondescript warehouse?

Too many ****** these days think the worst in everything, and it's why I get the ***** with people and prefer my own company. Serious, grow the **** up and give this guy some support, not the third degree.

Rant over.

Nice opinion bro other people have a different view thats why this place works some people won't agree with you. By the way using ***** doesn't make your point carry any more validity you know what ether say about opinions everyone has one. As far as the gun goes its an unsubstantiated claim at this point but carry on and rant about something you or anyone else can not substantiate which makes your rant just another opinion

[FGX335]

Originally Posted by FPV+fteT3

Nice opinion bro other people have a different view thats why this place works some people won't agree with you. By the way using ***** doesn't make your point carry any more validity you know what ether say about opinions everyone has one. As far as the gun goes its an unsubstantiated claim at this point but carry on and rant about something you or anyone else can not substantiate which makes your rant just another opinion

Fair call, I am just so over the negativity in everyday life. I really wish people could just keep their nasty opinions to themselves, all it does is drag everyone down and set the tone. You are right, swearing doesn't add anything to my argument, and only weakens it.

I agree, everyone has the right to their own opinions, but I think these people sometimes need to realise that most of us don't want to hear it. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you have to say anything if it is nasty and not constructive or is insensitive.

Can we all just be a little nicer to each other? Can we make an effort not to go for the lowest common denominator? There is enough bad stuff in the world, let's not add to it.

I honestly don't know why I get upset over this stuff, and that I should have learned to deal with it by now. But I then get upset again, and blow my top. Hmmm, anger management classes?

[ford71V8]

Don't bother, my anger management classes are ****ing me right off