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The TBN and sulphated ash levels of HPR5 aren't that much higher than the C3 specs, probably because it's a full synthetic. It also looks like a perfectly good oil for my motorbikes!
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cobrin, that is a fuel filter, not an oil filter.
But good to see that the (Ford) FoMoCo filters are being made by Mann Filter (Made in Germany).
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![]() Here is the Mann filters I got from Sydney Filters, I also got some Mann air cleaners and some Cooper fuel filters. I plan on changing the fuel filter at 30,000 instead of the recommended 60,000km interval. I've been through the "replace common rail fuel pump" game before on another vehicle.....Not so much fun.
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I know, I thought my fingers had typed 'fuel' but my brain didn't send the signal ;)
Bundy yeah I figured I stagger a few items myself: Trans. fluid every 30K, only the pan. Fuel filter every 45K. Coolant, Brakes and Steering as required per scheduled or I'm doing work on them. Multi V belt 100K unless signs of abnormality. Coopers a great filters imo, they have good anti-drainback-valves in the spin on kind and are quality. |
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Revisiting the oil saga, there's a fairly recent pdf by Penrite:
https://www.penriteoil.com.au/tech_p...MAY%202016.pdf which has on page 3 an interesting statement that some dpfs do not require a low saps oil, since they are 'high flow types'. In any case, it seems from the talkford forum most problems involve soot clogging due to failed afterburners and other issues. On that basis oils on the shelf labelled 'unsuitable for DPF' would be better labelled 'unsuitable for most DPFs'? etc etc etc |
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I find $80-110 for 10L of oil is acceptable for 15K km services personally. I went a bit crazy the last couple of years and got far to many drums so I'm a bit too far ahead in that respect. |
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I brought 2 x 10L of Nulon when they were on special a few months ago, Already on to the second bottle. Eagerly waiting the next 20% off sale....
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I still do not understand why Ford does not recommend a "low SAPS" oil. As far as I'm aware, every other car manufacturer requires a C2 or C3 spec oil if a DPF is fitted. Sent from somewhere using Tapatalk
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So maybe 'high flow' refers to 'flow through monoliths' as opposed to 'wall flow' mentioned here:
https://www.dieselnet.com/tech/dpf_wall-flow.php |
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Could be. Ash buildup would have less effect on flow through.
But how does the filter work unless there is wall flow?
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With less effectiveness: http://www.hussgroup.com/huss-umwelt...filtration.php I'm still in the dark whether 'high flow' and 'flow through' are equivalent, and why Ford don't specify low SAPS. All a bit academic maybe, my cars seem to use very little oil, don't need topping up in 15000km anyway. Maybe there's a high flow wall flow filter. Last edited by rondeo; 26-08-2016 at 10:22 AM. Reason: addition |
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I think you're right. There's some info on the Peugeot website that says that the DPF is the wall flow type.
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Came across this from Ford:
"Coated Diesel Particulate Filter (cDPF): Ford's cDPF system traps carbon deposits as they exit from the combustion system, preventing their release into the atmosphere. "Under favourable conditions the system then cleans itself with a controlled 'burn-off' process, thus providing a self-contained clean air system without the need for service maintenance. "This system contains a ceramic filter body of around 4 litres volume mounted behind the exhaust manifold plus a special regeneration support unit on the engine's intake manifold. Together these components enable the filter system to regenerate in any possible drive condition automatically without requesting any input from the driver and without compromising driveability noticeably during regeneration. The advantages of the system are: * Additive systems have an additional additive tank that primes the fuel tank with the additive (a metallic catalyst) at every refuelling. On the Ford cDPF the additive is embedded in the filter washcoat, hence no additional complex priming system is required and no refilling of the tank. * Long life – a ‘normal’ additive DPF tank needs refilling after approx 60k km, whereas the new Ford cDPF has been developed to last at least 200.000km." Sent from somewhere using Tapatalk
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I use Penrite, this one. Recommended by their tool and meets the spec apparently.
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Penrite also recommend HPR Diesel 5 but it is not suitable for DPF's.
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I'll monitor levels and report back. It's confusing since some oils only have the spec written, some have for vehicles with DPF fitter, and some say NOT suitable for vehicles with DPF. (I'm coming from a petrol V6 VW Golf, and always used Penrite no problems so I trust them.) |
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I thought it were Enviro+ that were suitable, I've been cautious with penrite because of they conflicting labels, thus have settled on Nulon.
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Had my Land Cruiser serviced last week - It has DPF's (2) and requires a 0W-30 oil. My mechanic only uses Penrite and had to special order me some Penrite Enviro C2 to suit. Very thin oil, not sure how its going to perform loaded on a hot summers day........
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Might give the C2 a try then next change. Would be nicer if it came in 6L bottles though.
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I hear ya, that was my dilemma also, so decided the way forward was 10L drums, Penrite was much more expensive and that solidified Nulon.
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The Peugeot oil specification for the Mondeo engines is a C2.
Having looked into the ACEA oil specs, I've decided to use a C3 oil as it provides more engine protection than the C2. The downside is it's slightly less fuel efficient. I can highly recommend the Fuchs XTL oils. The parts guy where they sell Fuchs sold me Pro Flex, but I should have bought the C3. Fuchs even make a low SAPS Ford oil for diesel engines! Sent from my SM-G9208 using Tapatalk
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C4 is available too, why not go for that?
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C4 is low SAPS, C2 is mid SAPS.
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C5 back to mid saps lol
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I've noticed there is a C5 but haven't looked at the spec yet.
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