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29-03-2021, 12:50 PM | #31 | ||
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Getting off topic and about to turn into a big blue.
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29-03-2021, 01:24 PM | #32 | |||
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29-03-2021, 01:30 PM | #33 | |||
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Its a bit like our harassment laws. It doesn't matter what your intent is or how you think the other person should have felt, if someone feels you have harassed them, then you have a problem. That's actually the legality of it.
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29-03-2021, 02:30 PM | #34 | |||
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And harassment isn't just about whether a person feels harassed. Across Australian workplaces harassment claims are made daily. Most of them are dismissed. Enough of this topic, it's a bit stupid and has nothing to do with cameras
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29-03-2021, 02:51 PM | #35 | |||
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29-03-2021, 03:48 PM | #36 | ||
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It's on topic, the cctv network is being expanded to improve visibility of crimes commited and deter offenders. A big part of that is assaults on women. It's also why lighting is being installed everywhere so there are fewer dark spots at night
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29-03-2021, 06:14 PM | #37 | |||
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When someone posts a topic you get to hear all sides of it and not just the ones that appeal to you. CCTV is being expanded and a big part of that is to help women. Last edited by PG2; 29-03-2021 at 06:58 PM. Reason: you are lucky that I just don't delete the whole post like I normally do. |
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29-03-2021, 07:05 PM | #38 | ||
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Yep...
Take this as a warning everyone. Despite what most think, I don't like closing threads but at the same time, we don't tolerate members having little digs at each other to get a reaction. It's simple, discuss it like adults, and the thread stays open - start having pot shots at each other and the thread will be closed. |
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29-03-2021, 08:25 PM | #39 | |||
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Wherever people lie on the political spectrum.....Henry Ford did more for the underprivileged and working class man than any other human on the planet (before and after him). His vision and ability to mass produce cars cheaply provided freedom of movement to the masses that unlocked untold wealth and lifted most of the western world into the middle class. His ideas were easily transferable to other items further enriching everyone. No doubt Henry was flawed as we all are, but his ideas led to freedom for the common people something that all here should be aware of and celebrate. If you read the history of Fomoco you should also be aware that Henry monitored his workforce and attempted to influence their behaviours in his own ideals. This was a dark chapter in the Ford history, not all that far removed from the discussion at the outset of this thread. Rightly people were outraged and that was 100 years ago. Surveillance imo is always presented as a good idea but always tends to be abused by those in control of it. OTOH our phones are pretty much telling big tech everything anyway. |
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29-03-2021, 08:33 PM | #40 | ||
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Let them know your thoughts through their YouTube channel if you must.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZSSQN4ny8o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YchFZvWafe8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TphOEJgrEo Last edited by Ben73; 29-03-2021 at 08:47 PM. |
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29-03-2021, 08:35 PM | #41 | |||
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To bring it back to cameras, CCTV, amongst other things, could be a mechanism to make some people "feel" safer. Where in reality, it might make no difference at all, because its already safe. Sorry, its hard to explain, I had a psychologist once explain it to me, and once I you get it you can see it happening on a day to day basis. Ok |
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29-03-2021, 08:48 PM | #42 | ||
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It has everything to do with cameras. In Brisbane it's even called the CitySafe Closed Circuit Television network. I don't really understand the comments suggesting it's not on-topic because to me it's very on-topic. What is it that you want to actually discuss about these cameras other than how they're to make cities safer?
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29-03-2021, 09:30 PM | #43 | ||
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After the fact maybe, last time I saw some video of an idiot doing bad things, they weren't paying attention to the CCTV. So it's easier to catch "them" but you're actually no safer really.
There's an endless supply of morons. Limited space in prisons though. And I own a Falcon. |
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29-03-2021, 09:34 PM | #44 | ||
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i asked my wife if she would feel safer if every street had a camera and she said yes, thats all i need to know. as a large male i used to feel safe walking through harlem in nyc. its upsetting that women can't feel the same in an australian city
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29-03-2021, 09:38 PM | #45 | ||
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I have sympathy for the people whose misfortune is documented post factum by CCTV. How must it feel for their families, to see the king-hit, the out-of-control driver, the muzzle flash? Let alone when it is whored out to the media with passing deference, to fill the space between advertisements.
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30-03-2021, 08:42 AM | #46 | ||||
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30-03-2021, 09:14 AM | #47 | ||
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Well to put some automotive perspective on it, anyone seen that vid on FB with the 3 people stealing that HSV?
While it is staggering it appears to be broad day light, if there was no security footage then there is little proof until the car is in bits. The car may still end up in bits, but atleast some kind of justice can be followed with evidence.
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30-03-2021, 09:35 AM | #48 | ||
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Given whats been happening, Scotty could do with some more CCTV's inside Parliament house Canberra.
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30-03-2021, 10:37 AM | #49 | ||
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I'm sure the citizens of Hong Kong were all for their CCTV system too, until they weren't.
Just recently https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55555299 The problem with big government infrastructure is that its all great when set up but never underestimate the ability of governments to turn on certain classes of people. |
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30-03-2021, 10:58 AM | #50 | ||
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30-03-2021, 12:44 PM | #51 | |||
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If you think about high profile murders/assaults in the recent past, say, Jill Maher, they only assisted in time line investigations. They failed to detect a crime occurring, failed to identify an offender & just assisted police inquiry. Other than that they are just a placebo.
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30-03-2021, 02:47 PM | #52 | |||
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30-03-2021, 02:48 PM | #53 | |||
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I'd still argue that the cameras contribute to safety via deterrence. How many people are likely to try grab someone infront of those cameras now? Probably fewer than if the cameras weren't there at all. Sounds like a contribution to safety to me. |
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30-03-2021, 03:02 PM | #54 | |||
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If you feel safer, that's great. I am happy for you
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30-03-2021, 05:32 PM | #55 | ||
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I'm actually curious why CCTV security cameras bother people so much.
What sort of sinister intentions do you think the gov has behind the use of these cameras? |
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30-03-2021, 05:53 PM | #56 | ||
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Technology currently exists for facial recognition to pick faces out of a crowd, measure numbers of people in areas, pickup on people who have not moved for some time and leave luggage behind.
Last time I caught a plane in China, didn’t need to show my ID, their camera had checked my face at the gate. Indeed, as I walked around the Airport - Xian - and stood in front of a screen, the screen picked me out of the crowd, and showed what flight I was on, and gave me directions to the gate. |
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30-03-2021, 07:01 PM | #58 | ||
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The Handmaid's Tale.
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30-03-2021, 07:13 PM | #59 | ||
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Cameras have been present in Melbourne for many decades. What concerned me is that this new level of surveillance was introduced without informing the public.
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