wet road , bad tyres - Page 2

castek · 07-01-2007, 11:44 AM

poomba i think you'll find that ABS doesnt like to work in a slide. its happened to me. rear end kicked out on my el, in the wet. i corrected it one way, then listened to my dad who said brake. that locked up the fronts and spun the car. only damage was to the gutter. i have good tyres ( the ones that come on the new XR's), and ABS, however, a little oil, wet road and driver inexperience = problems

efgiar · 07-01-2007, 12:29 PM

i have 265,s on the rear, and on a greasy road i could take of like i normally would and it will be skating everywere, these things happen and the driver is not ALLWAYS at fault! altho everyone on this forum seems to think that its the owner who is in fault "you dont have an alarm, YOU THIEF, INSURANCE JOB INSURANCE JOB" and now this kid stuffed up, being inexperienced isnt his fault, we are ALL like that at one stage and these things WILL happen. sometimes by being stupid and other by pure bad luck, now it hasnt rained in 2 weeks, then ****es down, it WILL be greasy as all **** and cause a car with poor quality tyres to kick out, i had 235's on and could spin 4th flat chat on a wet greasy road, in a completly stock ef!! so back off, whats happened has happened and theres not much that can be done, you learn by mistakes made.

BADan · 07-01-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by efgiar

i have 265,s on the rear, and on a greasy road i could take of like i normally would and it will be skating everywere, these things happen and the driver is not ALLWAYS at fault! altho everyone on this forum seems to think that its the owner who is in fault "you dont have an alarm, YOU THIEF, INSURANCE JOB INSURANCE JOB" and now this kid stuffed up, being inexperienced isnt his fault, we are ALL like that at one stage and these things WILL happen. sometimes by being stupid and other by pure bad luck, now it hasnt rained in 2 weeks, then ****es down, it WILL be greasy as all **** and cause a car with poor quality tyres to kick out, i had 235's on and could spin 4th flat chat on a wet greasy road, in a completly stock ef!! so back off, whats happened has happened and theres not much that can be done, you learn by mistakes made.

Inexperience? or a lack of common sense? It doesn't take a braniac to realise that rain = slow down. Judging by the image it was a considerable hit, not a tap. It was done at fair speed. Anyway, the guy who did it will hopefully have learnt a lesson, and will take more care in the wet.

eb91xr6 · 07-01-2007, 01:17 PM

i dont think anyone is having ago at the crash or how it happened as **** does happen but there having ago that no responcibility is layed on the driver its the car and its tyres,

EBTom · 07-01-2007, 01:20 PM

My dads eb wagon is scary as hell to drive in the wet. Handling of a wagon needing front end alignment with old tyres and bad brakes. Had a few times on roundabouts where the cars just aquaplaned or something and just gone straight. Luckily each time was a large roundabout and no-one else around.

What can you do to stop bad oversteer around corners at speed? Swaybars? LSD?

futura97 · 07-01-2007, 01:33 PM

As good (fun) as lsd is, i personally reckon it is worse to have it in the wet. A car spinning one wheel will not slide, but when both wheels spin is when the car drifts or goes sideways.

Ive given my car an absolute boot full going round corners with the speedo reching 120 in the wet and it did not slide. Just spun.

So theres my 2 cents on LSD

eb91xr6 · 07-01-2007, 01:47 PM

get a car to handel

3 degree camber kit
17's or 18's
LSD
superlow springs
short shokers
swaybars

but in the wet you just have to take it easy,

nothin suss · 07-01-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by alesia

he had Kumho Exstas

I have them on my subaru 225/40-18 and they are excellent in the wet... Hmm..

DOC · 07-01-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fordEBfaimont

What can you do to stop bad oversteer around corners at speed? Swaybars? LSD?

Slow down

Maximus · 07-01-2007, 03:57 PM

Those images make me feel sad.

MADED-6 · 07-01-2007, 04:09 PM

yeah abs dont do **** when u are sliding it will stop the fronts and lift the back causing it to spin abs cant stop sideways momentum only forward and backwards.
poor guy spose he has never had a car with lsd and shitty tyres.
cheers josh.

Psycho Chicken · 07-01-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 1tufel

poombahowever, a little oil, wet road and driver inexperience = problems

I suggest your dad also has inexperience. Braking while sideways is a no no. Weight transfer to the front, even less traction at the rear.

ABS has nothing to do with this.

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Originally Posted by efgiar

i have 265,s on the rear, and on a greasy road i could take of like i normally would and it will be skating everywere

Wider tyres are worse than skinny ones in the wet.

pHaT`eL · 07-01-2007, 11:42 PM

EF Machine, i can vouch for those Falkens being shockers, they feel like they have built in ballbearings, haha!!
Not sure about anyone else, but I reckon roundabouts are all pretty slippery, always the shiny look to them when wet, I can usually feel the rear end slide out a fraction at even 20/30kmh, but ive learnt to just ease through it, seen waaaayyy to much stupid **** happen, like a bluebird spearing down the inside of Thompsons Road/Frankston Dandenong Road, over the roundabout and in front of a truck.. Missed everything, but was a scary moment.

StookEB · 08-01-2007, 11:43 AM

I've had some scary moments due to overcorrecting in the wet or gravel, but i'm glad nothing has ever happened to me.
What are the best way to correct it if the back has spun out?

**Polyal** · 08-01-2007, 11:49 AM

I wonder if they would write that off, those ED XR front ends are not cheap, then you have the labour aswell.

eb91xr6 · 08-01-2007, 11:50 AM

best way is to not punch the breaks, just put you foot on the accelerator and try to corect it

DOC · 08-01-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by eb91xr6

best way is to not punch the breaks, just put you foot on the accelerator and try to corect it

Champ, im sure theres some good advice there but how often have you had a car sideways ( over steer ), suggesting to hit the go pedal and hope to come out it is sounding a bit like lets power through this fence or into this car.

If you have you back out, of the pedal, dont rip the wheel dont slam the brakes, wheel and brakes slowly if needed to correct.

Bill_R · 08-01-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by EArulz

I've had some scary moments due to overcorrecting in the wet or gravel, but i'm glad nothing has ever happened to me.
What are the best way to correct it if the back has spun out?

Power off. Feed the steering into it. Don't use the brakes unless you know what you are doing. If you have practised it you can use locked brakes to slide the whole car sideways in the direction you want.

Worst mistake is to try and recover from it. "Losing" the car gracefuly with some control is far better than planting your foot, working the wheel and ending up in the path of oncoming traffic.

NZ · 09-01-2007, 02:34 PM

Who's car was it?

Sundeep Voice over... " I have headlights for sale... I do goot deal..."

(Ps I'm serious)

frost · 09-01-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NZ

Who's car was it?

Sundeep Voice over... " I have headlights for sale... I do goot deal..."

(Ps I'm serious)

A young buck from camperdown!

frost · 09-01-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by eb91xr6

best way is to not punch the breaks, just put you foot on the accelerator and try to corect it

Wow thats extreamlly funny. When XR8Chic and I were at a SKID PAN day ran at the police training complex in attwood, the Instructors like. Acclearating out of it is a stupid Id. Just hit the brakes as the brakes have more power than the accelrator. Once you have started skidding and you add more power to the wheels its just gunna skid more ;)

At the end of the day, **** happened he crashed his car.

bArNsY · 09-01-2007, 02:51 PM

I wrote my car off earlier in the year in the wet, it was either a new landcruiser or conrete power pole, i didn't realise i was still going 30km/h when i hit the pole!

I drive with a lot more caution in the wet, as one little mistake can cost you your car and nasty injuries.

At the end of the day at least you are alright

EF302 · 09-01-2007, 03:15 PM

yep, the old xr6's bite hard if your not used to it.

Psycho Chicken · 09-01-2007, 05:12 PM

Once you have lost control of the car brakes are the best bet. Hitting the brakes while sideways will make you lose control.

FRDXR6 · 09-01-2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Once you have lost control of the car brakes are the best bet. Hitting the brakes while sideways will make you lose control.

Exactly. If you think your getting in trouble slowly release the accelerator, dont overcorrect and hope for the best. DONT push down hard on either the accelerator or brakes only hit the brakes when you know your gone!

Allen · 09-01-2007, 06:44 PM

I had a similar thing happen to me in my NC, it had been dry for weeks, then it rained hard. I coasted through a large (roughly 12m diameter) off camber round-a-bout at about 20km/h, and the rear end just slipped out, I over corrected and mounted the gutter and stopped 5cm from a fence :S

The NC had brand new bridgestone ER50s on at the time.

It was simply the weight transfer from the drivers side, to the passenger side of the car that caused the rear end to slide out, due to such a large camber in the road.

I've had a set of 225/45-R16 kumho extas on my ED, and they were great in both wet and dry... so I would rule them out of this accedent.

And I have since found that the best way to correct a slide, is to properly feed in opposite lock, with no acceleration or braking until you feel the rear end gain traction again, then straighten up the wheel... thats my 2 cents anyway...

ham02au · 15-01-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by efgiar

i have 265,s on the rear, and on a greasy road i could take of like i normally would and it will be skating everywere, these things happen and the driver is not ALLWAYS at fault! altho everyone on this forum seems to think that its the owner who is in fault "you dont have an alarm, YOU THIEF, INSURANCE JOB INSURANCE JOB" and now this kid stuffed up, being inexperienced isnt his fault, we are ALL like that at one stage and these things WILL happen. sometimes by being stupid and other by pure bad luck, now it hasnt rained in 2 weeks, then ****es down, it WILL be greasy as all **** and cause a car with poor quality tyres to kick out, i had 235's on and could spin 4th flat chat on a wet greasy road, in a completly stock ef!! so back off, whats happened has happened and theres not much that can be done, you learn by mistakes made.

THANK U!! u can all have your won ******* oppinion i dont care.... WOW i was at fault, i dont care my car is FIXABLE!! i'll laugh and bag all of u guyz out when this sorta **** happens 2 u!

Lucky i was the only 1 hurt, broken collar bone and a fractured shoulder....

WHO CARES!!

ham02au · 15-01-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MADED-6

yeah abs dont do **** when u are sliding it will stop the fronts and lift the back causing it to spin abs cant stop sideways momentum only forward and backwards.
poor guy spose he has never had a car with lsd and shitty tyres.
cheers josh.

na man i haven't!!

Who here knows where i might be able 2 get hold of a Front Grill for the ED XR6?

castek · 15-01-2007, 06:04 PM

i found the best place to learn is on a gravel road. try stopping with abs on one. it just wont work lol... well, i'm booked in for advanced driving this sunday

**Sorted** · 15-01-2007, 06:21 PM

Help the guy out - He needs some parts if anyone is selling some

Here is the link to his "Help" thread.............

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...=1#post1201059