New Gen Ranger Single Cab - Page 2

Big_Daz · 06-11-2022, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Ford, like many other car companies have been reducing the amount of variants and induvial options to reduce complexity on the line and the amount of inventory required, both during manufacture and in the spare parts arena. I would also imagine Ford would need to engineer a separate DSC calibration for a V6 single cab, development money they would struggle to justify.

I would absolutely pay a premium to get the exact spec I wanted.

In my earlier posts, I complained about the price of the spec Ford actually do offer. That price grates on me when it ends up not being exactly what I want. I would happily pay that $55,000 for custom order.

At the end of the day, Ford are following the path to volume sales, I get that. But if they don't try, go out on a limb, then how will they know?

Its not a bad idea, could even call it "Ranger Custom" which would fit with the Transit Custom (by name at least). With the right terms and conditions (ie. buyer knowing these would be longer waits, larger penalties for pulling out of the order).

Theoretically do it like this:

Body: Single, Extra, Dual
Exterior Level: XL, XLT, Wildtrack
Interior Level: XL, XLT, Wildtrack
Drivetrain: 2.0 Single Turbo, 2.0 Bi-Turbo, V6D
Colour: All Ranger Colours available

Being able to order any combination of this, under the Ranger Custom sub brand would be a great option.

A V6D Extra Cab, with Wildtrak Exterior and XLT Interior in Sedona Orange would be a no brainer for me...

Obviously a hell of alot of work for Ford to bother but cool to think about IMHO

GT 0909 · 06-11-2022, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What I'm curious about is what variations do they offer in different markets that we don't get in Australia?

USDM PX Ranger got rear discs and 2.3L Ecoboost - so they obviously could [/I]?

Well, in Thailand, where our Rangers are built, they do offer Single Cab Style-side and Cab-chassis:

https://www.ford.co.th/en/showroom/f...tion-ranger/xl

They also offer a Super Cab:

https://www.ford.co.th/en/showroom/f...ranger/xl-plus

So, they are available. Just need Ford Oz to take their blinkers off and look around at what's selling in our market, then request some of these from the factory and see how quick they sell.

hayseed · 06-11-2022, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

When I went to my local dealer to order the new Mustang, I enquired about the single cab and to my surprise, they told me they actually have some out the back, contradicting Ford's response.

Did you ask them about the Single cab Chassis Transit... ??
I reckon It would be very similar Price to the Single cab ranger..!!

**DFB FGXR6** · 06-11-2022, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hayseed

Did you ask them about the Single cab Chassis Transit... ??
I reckon It would be very similar Price to the Single cab ranger..!!

Sounds good, but Ford are not even representing Transit on their website. Transit Custom but not full size Transit.

jpd80 · 06-11-2022, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Sounds good, but Ford are not even representing Transit on their website. Transit Custom but not full size Transit.

Yes they do, click all vehicles and under under commercial vehicles,
there’s Transit Custom, Transit cab-chassis and Transit van……

**DFB FGXR6** · 06-11-2022, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Yes they do, click all vehicles and under under commercial vehicles,
there’s Transit Custom, Transit cab-chassis and Transit van……

Ah, sorry, I couldn't see it listed in the Build & Price section.

At this point, we also need to highlight how poor Ford's Australian website is.

Tassie f100 · 06-11-2022, 03:37 PM

I have said for years now,there is probably a market for a basic 2 door flat tray ute.Something about the size of the 80s era utes.I’m sure a lot of people would like a smaller ute with maybe 4 cyl engine 100 or so kw and 7-8 l/100 economy.Not everyone wants or needs something that weighs over 2t and is near on 6 mtrs long with a tray about 1.5 mtrs

Itsme · 06-11-2022, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

For context, this is what I do with my Ranger.........

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Down on the bump stops with a load of stone -

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You can't do any of that in a dual cab! It's also why I would like the more powerful engine, just to make things easier when full up.

Super cab tray is longer than dual cab, could suit you.

Franco Cozzo · 06-11-2022, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tassie f100

I have said for years now,there is probably a market for a basic 2 door flat tray ute.Something about the size of the 80s era utes.I’m sure a lot of people would like a smaller ute with maybe 4 cyl engine 100 or so kw and 7-8 l/100 economy.Not everyone wants or needs something that weighs over 2t and is near on 6 mtrs long with a tray about 1.5 mtrs

https://www.suzuki.co.th/en/model/carry

https://www.suzuki.co.th/en/model/carry/specification

Tassie f100 · 06-11-2022, 05:55 PM

No not a forward control like the Susuki.Something more like a 3/4 size current 2door Hilux design

Franco Cozzo · 06-11-2022, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GT 0909

Well, in Thailand, where our Rangers are built, they do offer Single Cab Style-side and Cab-chassis:

https://www.ford.co.th/en/showroom/f...tion-ranger/xl

They also offer a Super Cab:

https://www.ford.co.th/en/showroom/f...ranger/xl-plus

So, they are available. Just need Ford Oz to take their blinkers off and look around at what's selling in our market, then request some of these from the factory and see how quick they sell.

Povvo spec is $23K AUD going by that link with 2L diesel once you convert over from Thailand currency to Australian Peso.

Seems a lot cheaper than $55K that the OP linked to on Carsales.

xkxlxm · 06-11-2022, 06:30 PM

I have wondered why there isn't a small ute ... my first generation i30 diesel ... with the back chopped off and a tray there instead ... ie single cab, lightweight but useful ute

Franco Cozzo · 06-11-2022, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by xkxlxm

I have wondered why there isn't a small ute ... my first generation i30 diesel ... with the back chopped off and a tray there instead ... ie single cab, lightweight but useful ute

Well you used to have Ranger and Hilux with povvo spec unleaded versions for sub $25K.

I guess there was no reason for it back then when there was so many competitors with the cheap end of the market covered, then everyone got out of it.

Now there's basically one choice - povvo spec Hilux in manual with unleaded engine.

However, this is now above $30K, there is no Ranger equivalent, it was killed off with PXII.

I guess now something like a Proton Jumbuck makes sense

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...12756242/?Cr=0

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...-AD-20970092/?

xkxlxm · 06-11-2022, 06:55 PM

I was wondering what the base model Hilux price is now; last time I looked, three or four years ago, they were about $24K plus on-road. Five or six years ago the Mitsubishi dealer in Ballarat had some new base model Tritons for - I think it was - $15K on the road ...

Franco Cozzo · 06-11-2022, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xkxlxm

I was wondering what the base model Hilux price is now; last time I looked, three or four years ago, they were about $24K plus on-road. Five or six years ago the Mitsubishi dealer in Ballarat had some new base model Tritons for - I think it was - $15K on the road ...

She's $32K DA now for the povvo spec 5sp manual workmate with mighty 2.7L 2TR unleaded engine.

Now makes me wonder if this is actually inflation, ie - is $24K 3 years ago now $32K in todays money and inflation is worse than the 8% they're talking about?

XR Martin · 06-11-2022, 09:57 PM

Still wondering what happened to all those people who said they were looking forward to cheaper cars/utes once the local industry ended and tarrifs were gone.
Where art thou?

XR6 ute was about that much wasn't it?

Franco Cozzo · 06-11-2022, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by XR Martin

XR6 ute was about that much wasn't it?

Bingo,

Except you got 195KW with a 4L Inline 6 in an LCV that steered, stopped and rode like a car even though they had 500-1200kg payloads

hayseed · 06-11-2022, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Well you used to have Ranger and Hilux with povvo spec unleaded versions for sub $25K.

I guess there was no reason for it back then when there was so many competitors with the cheap end of the market covered, then everyone got out of it.

Now there's basically one choice - povvo spec Hilux in manual with unleaded engine.

Our Local Ford Dealer also sells Isuzu & LDV.. He's Just got a Heap of LDV Stock in in the last 7-10 Days.. I see several Single Cab LDV 4x4's in the Yard. But Can't find any reference to them on LDV's website..!!

Franco Cozzo · 06-11-2022, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by hayseed

Our Local Ford Dealer also sells Isuzu & LDV.. He's Just got a Heap of LDV Stock in in the last 7-10 Days.. I see several Single Cab LDV 4x4's in the Yard. But Can't find any reference to them on LDV's website..!!

I thought they discontinued the single cab models?

Franco Cozzo · 06-11-2022, 10:46 PM

Mitsubishi's website is absolute trash and asks you to go to 'local dealer' for a quote - but yet they ask for your location for pricing, but don't give you pricing - GAGF.

But anyway doing a bit of quick searching, looks like unleaded 4x2 Triton 2WD is $30K - without a tray

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...20929390/?Cr=0

So basically more than the equivalent Hilux by the time you include the tray and it has the old boat anchor 4G64 engine, making 94KW/194nm - pass.

That is only 2KW more but less torque than what my Mazda Bravo made, and its nearly 20 years old.

Its down like 30KW on the Hilux.

LDV Deliver 9 Cab Chassis - less than the single cab Ranger the OP listed for a bigger and more capable vehicle - 2400kg payload:

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...20715125/?Cr=0

About $20K cheaper than the Transit cab chassis too.

Top_Ghia · 06-11-2022, 11:37 PM

If diesel stays at a 50 cent premium over petrol a 5.0 Mustang ute would probably be cheaper to run than V6 Wildtrak.

And it’s got 2 doors.

Franco Cozzo · 07-11-2022, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

If diesel stays at a 50 cent premium over petrol a 5.0 Mustang ute would probably be cheaper to run than V6 Wildtrak.

And it’s got 2 doors.

Price of diesel is absolute silly sausage domain, mind you unleaded is now doing it's best to catch up given 91 is going for around $2.15/L at the moment.

Its still a good 30 cent gap, where is the point that the USDM spec 2.3L Ecoboost Ranger makes sense from a running cost perspective over the diesels?

Or will we see a hybrid unleaded version with an Atkinson cycle engine ala Toyota? Given NZs recent clamp down on diesel surely they're observing.

naddis01 · 07-11-2022, 08:28 AM

It will be interesting to see how the Ecoboost Amarok goes. Although it's hobbled by only being offered in the range topping variant.

Dr Smith · 07-11-2022, 09:57 AM

Slightly o/t, I was thinking about global sales of Ranger and what will dictate certain powertrain changes.

For example, Hilux sells 2.5 times greater in Thailand as it does here and Ranger sells about twice as many in Thailand as Aust...so if Thailand suddenly went all green demanding EV's-only ( I know this would be unlikely) would that accelerate powertrain changes here or is Australia's sales numbers enough such that Ford would build individual powertrains. I don't think the V6 diesel is offered in Thailand

The US builds it's own Ranger so they are self-determined and petrol-centric.

Smoke Pursuit · 07-11-2022, 10:07 AM

I too would buy a V6 Single Cab tray back.

I am currently toying with a V6 XLT Cab Chassis. 65d/a with no tray.

I had a bi turbo Sport which i hated then said Id take a Raptor which I also didnt love. Currently just driving my Ram everywhere which is painful.....

Franco Cozzo · 07-11-2022, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

I too would buy a V6 Single Cab tray back.

I am currently toying with a V6 XLT Cab Chassis. 65d/a with no tray.

I had a bi turbo Sport which i hated then said Id take a Raptor which I also didnt love. Currently just driving my Ram everywhere which is painful.....

Chuck the RAM on LPG - everyone wins lol

$65K buys a lot of unleaded or LPG

Dr Smith · 07-11-2022, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

I too would buy a V6 Single Cab tray back.

I am currently toying with a V6 XLT Cab Chassis. 65d/a with no tray.

I had a bi turbo Sport which i hated then said Id take a Raptor which I also didnt love. Currently just driving my Ram everywhere which is painful.....

Is that because of it's size or something else...what dissuaded you from the Raptor?

Bossxr8 · 07-11-2022, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberWasp

What happened to the saying build it and they will come?

Another thing is like why can't you get the Wide Track Interior / Features in a Single Cab for example also.

They did build and sell them years back. Sold sweet FA. That's why they ditched it.

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Ford, like many other car companies have been reducing the amount of variants and induvial options to reduce complexity on the line and the amount of inventory required, both during manufacture and in the spare parts arena. I would also imagine Ford would need to engineer a separate DSC calibration for a V6 single cab, development money they would struggle to justify.

I would absolutely pay a premium to get the exact spec I wanted.

In my earlier posts, I complained about the price of the spec Ford actually do offer. That price grates on me when it ends up not being exactly what I want. I would happily pay that $55,000 for custom order.

At the end of the day, Ford are following the path to volume sales, I get that. But if they don't try, go out on a limb, then how will they know?

You've got it right here. Reducing complexity and reducing the number of orderable configurations in the name of reducing development and production costs is a big focus atm. Right across the industry really. Blame Tesla, they all saw what they were doing with so few orderable configurations, and how much money it was saving them, and they of course had to follow suit.

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Mitsubishi's website is absolute trash and asks you to go to 'local dealer' for a quote - but yet they ask for your location for pricing, but don't give you pricing - GAGF.

But anyway doing a bit of quick searching, looks like unleaded 4x2 Triton 2WD is $30K - without a tray

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...20929390/?Cr=0

So basically more than the equivalent Hilux by the time you include the tray and it has the old boat anchor 4G64 engine, making 94KW/194nm - pass.

That is only 2KW more but less torque than what my Mazda Bravo made, and its nearly 20 years old.

Its down like 30KW on the Hilux.

LDV Deliver 9 Cab Chassis - less than the single cab Ranger the OP listed for a bigger and more capable vehicle - 2400kg payload:

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...20715125/?Cr=0

About $20K cheaper than the Transit cab chassis too.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-m...ice-and-specs/

The 2023 Mitsubishi Triton line-up has been announced, with the Japanese ute no longer offering a petrol engine – and no variants available for less than $30,000.

.:4:. · 07-11-2022, 12:14 PM

When it comes to a work ute used for work only. Low riders make more sense if you were doing what i used to have to do and park in underground car parks and have height restrictions. So when i had an L300 van, that with roof racks was 1.9m, the low rider ranger i had was 1.8m with roof racks, the triton i had was again 1.9 m with roof racks. So some really old buildings had 1.8m height bars so pretty much a no go for all 3 of those cars or even a standard hi rider ute or 4x4 with no roof racks. The place i most frequently parked (for free too, its who you know not what you know) was 2.1m. I could get the van in with a ladder on the roof fine, same with the triton, the ranger i could just scrape in with ladders double stacked on the roof.

barra240t · 07-11-2022, 01:19 PM

Single cab chassis 4x4 have always been expensive unfortunately. You can by the current 4x2 with a 4x2 "off road pack", still with a custom tray it isn't going to be cheap. Reason being, these days low rider and manual do not exist. Same story for Isuzu now too, you have to buy auto and also high ride.