QUICK question "When is a street car a drag car"

[XRQTR]

Originally Posted by dansedgli

But would it be fair to be unable to include my old AU as a street car as it would not pass an EPA test or RWC due to emissions although it was a car that was driven all the time on the street?

But then you said it passed easily in Queensland, so again where do you set the boundary. Would that then make it illegal again in Vic if the car came down here to race on Quensland plates. The car has now legally passed that states legal road registration laws so it is now a street car

I think at the end of the day we all pretty much know what constitutes a street car and that is generally one that is driven regularly on the street, in its respective state lol, without having to worry about the next defect notice because of the intrusion bars on the rollcage limiting access thru the doors.

[HEMI POWER]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

Regarding the trailer issue, i'm with Ratter, my car is a street car, but i trailer it to the track incase of breaking a part, (Like my gearbox did at Heathcote 3-1/2 hours from home) i drop the tail pipes and put slicks on, i still call it a street car, the cars in Street Machine mag with blowers sticking 3 feet out of the bonnet and road rego plates on them being called street cars ? they reallly make me laugh.

Nick that's just being smart.If you are racing it's a good idea to tow the vehicle.It's not real fun breaking something and been stranded there for hours.In my opinion a real street car out on the track is one that has the full exhaust hooked up,pump fuel and DOT approved tyres.Also if nothing breaks be able to drive to the local pizza shop for a feed. :sm_drool:

[Chris]

Im putting my car on a tilt tray for friday night at calder. I pulled my twisted tailshaft out of my car last night, and had a gentle shudder at the thought.

Plus, its easier for me to pay for a tilt tray and its an easy early night, rather than changing wheels and tyres in the dark with the missus waiting at home. After a long hard week, the tilt tray makes it a whole lot easier, plus i can have a couple of beers after the meet and know im being given a ride home.

[Craig]

Just getting off the thread a little bit, does anyone know if the return road at calder has improved over the last 6 months or so. The last time i was there you really needed a 4WD to get back.

[ebxr8240]

Trouble is pre 86 cars pass different emissions...
The way to keep this to true street and keep it simple is to have full exhaust and some noise limit..As much as we don't like it.. But it wiil bring some of the higher power levels down...
Though power is only part of the need to go fast traction and control is another..
So then suspention mods like ladder bars which are illegal on road cars, along with 90/10 shocks etc.. The problem with rules is keep them simple...
Maybe TRUE street should be STEET tyres!! Then that will kill off the high end guys...Food for thought???

[jcxr]

Calders return track is still rooted.

[brenx]

Originally Posted by jcxr

Calders return track is still rooted.

I've lost count of how many wheel allignments that return tracks cost me.

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by Chris

Im putting my car on a tilt tray for friday night at calder. I pulled my twisted tailshaft out of my car last night, and had a gentle shudder at the thought.

Plus, its easier for me to pay for a tilt tray and its an easy early night, rather than changing wheels and tyres in the dark with the missus waiting at home. After a long hard week, the tilt tray makes it a whole lot easier, plus i can have a couple of beers after the meet and know im being given a ride home.

Trailer Queen.........:

[XRQTR]

How about a 'street trim' class where not even a filter can be removed to gain any advantage, but even then how do you know they wont remove it after scrutineering.
Look at the end of the day places like Calder are for racing, I mean if you went Winton for a track day and ran race tyres would that make you a race car, maybe for the day but then you would still be driving it home on normal rego not trade or club plates.

[BLKFPV]

answer to thread's question ..... a street car is not a drag car ...:

[ratter]

Originally Posted by svtang

answer to thread's question ..... a street car is not a drag car ...:

So does that mean a drag car is not a street car ?

[Walkinshaw]

One method could be, at the end of the 400m your car should beable to pass an RTA inspection. Set it up as in

Assume there is an RTA inspection station in the return lane, to be classed as a street car your car would have to pass this inspection station, otherwise it's not classed as a street car.

[Barry_v]

just make teh return lane a public road. voila, everyones a street car.

[120why]

Originally Posted by ratter

One of the yank magazines had some street car shoot outs quite a few years back,

The cars had to be started under their own power by the driver only (no priming injection set ups by a second person)
They had to maintain an idle of some sort
They had to do so many laps, of a track, at road speeds and not overheat or cut out.
Not sure of the other rules, but this eliminated a lot of the "race cars that wear number plates"

But when there is a set of rules, people will always work around them.

Et street radials are really meant for draging only, but they are legal to be used on the street and are probably Sh#t in the wet, but they are manufactured to be legal in drag classes that require DOT tyres, so would they pass as street tyres.

Some guys will use methanol as a fuel, not just to get more power, but to keep the motor cool

People will always work out ways to get around rules

I have vid's of these meetings, in' 96 they were running 7's

[pro408]

watched George Haddad's aspirated xr falcon drive from dandenong, street tyres (no tyre change on arrival) full exhaust pump fuel went out and ran 10.43 @ 129.9 m.p.h then just cruised home after about 6 passes.
thet is a true street car
but there are other classes for different styles as pro street etc.
3/4 chassis original front end crossmember etc.

[JG3282]

This old chestnut... Been through it all before.

Classic example about 5-6 years ago, was racing a car of mine which could be legally driven. A guy in another car challenged me to grudgies and I won 2 out of 3, lost the first one after a slowish reaction time. Anyway he then had a sook because my car just wasn't a street car [it was at the time with a legal roadworthy certificate] because it didn't have the front and rear bumpers, the plates weren't on it and the triple carbies didn't have air filters. It had a full exhaust, real street tyres [not those pretend ET radials], Mobil Premium unleaded from the bowser and standard rear wheel arches.
His car on the other hand had mini-tubs, holley dominator, big arsed bonnet scoop, slicks and avgas plus about 200 cubes more than it left the factory with. So I challenged him to a drive from Melbourne to Heathcote to race the following Sunday in FULL street trim as well as a stop off at the cop shop for a quick road worthy check. Guess who didn't turn up...

[JG3282]

Even though it's not a Ford, a guy called Michael Brody up in Howlong [NSW/Vic border] has a couple of Torana's. The first one is more of a daily driver and runs 10.55 with a stroked 308. The other has a 400 chev and is more of a weekender and runs 9.80. Both cars would pass a legal road worthy station any day of the week [except race day] and run at the drags on Mobil Synergy 8000 fuel. I've cruised with both cars and spent a couple of hours looking for sneaky pete's myself.

[Blue Oval Mopar Man]

I think the only way to tell the difference is at the Local registration authority ! If the car passes inspection by the local inspectors (Not some dopey copper that didnt get a root from his misses before his shift ) , and it passes , It is roadworthy !If it dont , it must be a race car !

[ratter]

Originally Posted by Blue Oval Mopar Man

I think the only way to tell the difference is at the Local registration authority ! If the car passes inspection by the local inspectors (Not some dopey copper that didnt get a root from his misses before his shift ) , and it passes , It is roadworthy !If it dont , it must be a race car !

Most of the members cars here would fail a roadworthy 1st time (as you drive it right now), wheteher it's too low, too loud, wrong size tyres and rims, led's in washers or even an empty washer bottle so they must all be race cars.

[brenx]

Originally Posted by ratter

Most of the members cars here would fail a roadworthy 1st time (as you drive it right now), wheteher it's too low, too loud, wrong size tyres and rims, led's in washers or even an empty washer bottle so they must all be race cars.

hahaha. Harsh but so true.

[slickef]

a street car according to the A.N.D.R.A is a car that runs 12.9 seconds or slower

[brenx]

Originally Posted by slickef

a street car according to the A.N.D.R.A is a car that runs 12.9 seconds or slower

hehehe. yup all those BA/BF race cars rofl. ANDRA need to rethink their approach and get with the times. Some AMG Merc's run 11's off the factory floor. BA/F's with small tweaks namely CAI/EDIT/diff gears will run a 12.

I must have a street car. Last run I had on street tyres I ran a 13.2. I was still wheelspinning well beyond 3/4 track though

[Quadcams]

Originally Posted by slickef

a street car according to the A.N.D.R.A is a car that runs 12.9 seconds or slower

Cool I have a work ute race car well it definately will be when I get it back from the engine builder. :nutsycuck

[UNRULY]

I have a simple criteria in my argument. Arrive at the track after driving there, raise the bonnet to allow the safety checks, then shut it. Straight out on the track.

No race fuel pump gas only. Steel belted radials, exhaust that exits in a legal position. Anything such as a roll cage installed is for safety. I know it technically makes it illegal for street use, but if you are running times faster than 10.99 you need safety gear, foolish if you dont.

Bragging rights for a tuff steet car have two different categories:

1. Street trim: See above criteria.

2. Street car, modified for race day to enable faster times (slicks, race fuel, nitrous etc)

[ezy10]

what i class as a street car is a car that can drive to the track bolt on slicks or use street legal tyres race and drive home and if by chance gets pulled over by cops he doesn't get an EPA or a canary for some ilegal mod.

jason ghillers turbo xe perfect example driven to heathcote bolt on slicks run 9.97 and drive home.

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by ezy10

jason ghillers turbo xe perfect example driven to heathcote bolt on slicks run 9.97 and drive home.

George Haddad orange HQ was like that run 9's all day with exhaust on, just a tyre change.

His 67XR Falcon run 10.4 with no tyre change, soon this will have a turbo on it.
Car is driven on M/T radials 100% whether its street or strip.

[ezy10]

In the USA when they have a street meet they make the cars drive to the track towing there own trailer with parts , and at some meets they make the cars that are going to race in the street car class go on a 15mile cruz before they race.

[baboon]

As street cars out of the factory become quicker, faster, and more refined I am beginning to think the separation between street and drag car is becoming a grey area. In my opinion if you take your car to the drags, it becomes a drag car. If you drive it on the street its a street car.

[ned]

lol think about what you're saying there... so if i buy an excel, take it to calder it's a drag car? come on man...

i believe a street car is something that you start up in your driveway, get to the drags, pay your fee, register, race it, and drive it back where it came from.

simple.

[protd]

i dont think it matters if the car is trailered to the strip for me it's common sense i have a 800km round trip so if you drive there and break something your screwed i mean its all good to say its not a streetcar if it's not driven but anyone that runs 12's and quicker and have a fair hike to the strip its not worth the hassel's of driving.. if it was a 30min drive by all means drive it but otherwise its on the trailer