V Facts, February 2023

[PG2]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Ranger 4x2 numbers steadily increasing month on month, prior to current model change over they were sitting around 200 a month.

If you were in charge of the Ranger 4x2 program you'd be happy because of a 300%+ increase in sales.

Also Fiesta and Focus long discontinued but they're still trickling in sales - must be orders being fulfilled.

Turkish Delight Transit Heavy is an absolute joke - 3 sales?

Are the increase in 4x2 sales due to the their availability and people not willing to wait for 4x4?

[DFB FGXR6]

I'm surprised they sold this many to be honest, not mention 84 suckers who parted with a large sum of money to buy a Civic.

Honda Accord – 6
Honda Civic – 84
Honda CR-V – 973
Honda HR-V – 165
Honda Odyssey – 0
Honda total – 1228

[DFB FGXR6]

Mitsubishi, the rental car company...............

Mitsubishi ASX – 642
Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross – 823
Mitsubishi Express – 10
Mitsubishi Mirage – 1
Mitsubishi Outlander – 2166
Mitsubishi Pajero – 25
Mitsubishi Pajero Sport – 457
Mitsubishi Triton 4x2 – 191
Mitsubishi Triton 4x4 – 1185
Mitsubishi total – 5500

[DFB FGXR6]

Nissan, considering it was once a segment heavyweight, look at those Navara numbers...........

Nissan Juke – 154
Nissan Leaf – 57
Nissan Navara 4x2 – 10
Nissan Navara 4x4 – 524
Nissan Pathfinder – 120
Nissan Patrol wagon – 333
Nissan Qashqai – 682
Nissan X-Trail – 654
Nissan Z – 39
Nissan total – 2573

[DFB FGXR6]

And dead brand walking...............

Alfa Romeo Giulia – 16
Alfa Romeo Stelvio – 14
Alfa Romeo Total – 30

Jaguar E-Pace – 0
Jaguar F-Pace – 10
Jaguar F-Type – 5
Jaguar I-Pace – 2
Jaguar XE – 4
Jaguar XF – 1
Jaguar Total – 22

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Nissan, considering it was once a segment heavyweight, look at those Navara numbers...........

Nissan Juke – 154
Nissan Leaf – 57
Nissan Navara 4x2 – 10
Nissan Navara 4x4 – 524
Nissan Pathfinder – 120
Nissan Patrol wagon – 333
Nissan Qashqai – 682
Nissan X-Trail – 654
Nissan Z – 39
Nissan total – 2573

Ordinary numbers for the Pathfinder. Isn't it new?

Just looked at the Nissan website, only Ti and Ti-L available, the latter is $90k!

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by PG2

Are the increase in 4x2 sales due to the their availability and people not willing to wait for 4x4?

Wonder if local gov orders kicking in, see plenty getting around with council graphics.

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Nissan, considering it was once a segment heavyweight, look at those Navara numbers...........

Nissan Juke – 154
Nissan Leaf – 57
Nissan Navara 4x2 – 10
Nissan Navara 4x4 – 524
Nissan Pathfinder – 120
Nissan Patrol wagon – 333
Nissan Qashqai – 682
Nissan X-Trail – 654
Nissan Z – 39
Nissan total – 2573

The Navara is an ok ute, but that’s just it, it’s ok. It’s definitely not worth the money they’re asking for it. It belongs just below where the Triton currently sits, and Triton belongs back where it used to be, an Exceed equivalent GLS Premium around $42k

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by PG2

Are the increase in 4x2 sales due to the their availability and people not willing to wait for 4x4?

I reckon you're on the money, if they've got the availability there then they'll be getting sales.

Also Navara 4x2 numbers

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Nissan, considering it was once a segment heavyweight, look at those Navara numbers...........

Nissan Juke – 154
Nissan Leaf – 57
Nissan Navara 4x2 – 10
Nissan Navara 4x4 – 524
Nissan Pathfinder – 120
Nissan Patrol wagon – 333
Nissan Qashqai – 682
Nissan X-Trail – 654
Nissan Z – 39
Nissan total – 2573

A friend bought a Patrol Ti V8, it is nice. I think if it had black badges and exterior trim it would be spot on. I’m surprised Nissan aren’t selling more, but there is a fair bit of competition in that segment.

[Big_Daz]

Another good month for Ford. Its great that overall Ranger beat Hilux, but even better that in the 4x4 segment, nearly 900 more Rangers where sold than Hilux... Pretty good stuff...

As for Toyota as a whole, I don't think they have any reason to worry, they are still 6500 better than 2nd position which is crazy.. For the "whitegoods" of the vehicle segment.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Ford Numbers -

Ford Escape – 141
Ford Everest – 752
Ford Fiesta – 23
Ford Focus – 8
Ford Mustang – 176
Ford Puma – 235
Ford Ranger 4x2 – 691
Ford Ranger 4x4 – 3782
Ford Transit Bus – 0
Ford Transit Custom – 211
Ford Transit Heavy – 3
Ford total – 6022

Decent numbers for Puma all things considered, not to mention Mustang that is on the cusp of replacement.

At the end of the day, their numbers are pretty dismal.(Ranger the exception of course.)235 for Puma is not that great, they should be doing far better as it is one if not the best in its class.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Nissan, considering it was once a segment heavyweight, look at those Navara numbers...........

Nissan Juke – 154
Nissan Leaf – 57
Nissan Navara 4x2 – 10
Nissan Navara 4x4 – 524
Nissan Pathfinder – 120
Nissan Patrol wagon – 333
Nissan Qashqai – 682
Nissan X-Trail – 654
Nissan Z – 39
Nissan total – 2573

You have to remember Qashqai has just released( in this country) the J13 model,once it gets into stride it should easily double those numbers.X-Trail likewise will start to do very good numbers.Those two models are their ‘bread & butter’ of their business.Supply constraints being the only achilles heel.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by hackney

At the end of the day, their numbers are pretty dismal.(Ranger the exception of course.)235 for Puma is not that great, they should be doing far better as it is one if not the best in its class.

Yep...

Tell you what though, when we bought our Escape, the salesman was not doing a real good job to sell us the Endura we were also looking at, to the point he said the name "poor as it sounds like a condom brand"...

That is hardly the type of sales man they need...perhaps they need to improve at the dealers...

Lucky the Escape was the best deal being an demo...may have ended up with a x-trail that made our short list...

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Yep...

Tell you what though, when we bought our Escape, the salesman was not doing a real good job to sell us the Endura we were also looking at, to the point he said the name "poor as it sounds like a condom brand"...

That is hardly the type of sales man they need...perhaps they need to improve at the dealers...

Lucky the Escape was the best deal being an demo...may have ended up with a x-trail that made our short list...

They need to just let you buy what you want without stepping foot into the dealership,

Every time I've bought a car, be it for my employer or myself I've known what I wanted before I even stepped foot into the dealership.

Why can't I pay for it online then it turns up in my driveway?

I've never met the spare parts blokes from my local Ford dealership but they've been dropping off parts to me for the last 8 years, why can't they do the same with a new car?

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by hackney

You have to remember Qashqai has just released( in this country) the J13 model,once it gets into stride it should easily double those numbers.X-Trail likewise will start to do very good numbers.Those two models are their ‘bread & butter’ of their business.Supply constraints being the only achilles heel.

I don't think some of Nissan's name's do them any justice.

I've overheard people referring to them as Cashcow, Entrails and Joke.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Yep...

Tell you what though, when we bought our Escape, the salesman was not doing a real good job to sell us the Endura we were also looking at, to the point he said the name "poor as it sounds like a condom brand"...

That is hardly the type of sales man they need...perhaps they need to improve at the dealers...

Lucky the Escape was the best deal being an demo...may have ended up with a x-trail that made our short list...

Puma in the UK sold a tad over 35,000 in 2022.Escape(Kuga) just over 25,000 units.They will never sell in that volume here.People just do not want them,they go for the ‘proven’ stuff,Toyota,Kia & Hyundai especially.Our buying habits are completely diff to the UK. I quite like the Endura,what killed it though was a lack of a seven seater.Typical Ford, thinking they know the market.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I don't think some of Nissan's name's do them any good.

I've overheard people referring to them as Cashcow, Entrails and Joke.

I use to own a Qashqai in Ti spec with a six speed manual,just a great car,could have done with a bit more power, but never ever gave one ounce of trouble,did a few big trips out to Broken hill & Hervey Bay.Could easily cruise on 140 comfortably,very good tourer.Wish I still had it,& would not hesitate to purchase another one if I was in the market.(which I won’t be for a very long time.) I would happily have a joke er Juke as a 2nd vehicle.Great little 3 pot turbo engine.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

They need to just let you buy what you want without stepping foot into the dealership,

Spotted a brand new 3 story Cupra dealership in $ydney's CBD this morning.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by hackney

I use to own a Qashqai in Ti spec with a six speed manual,just a great car,could have done with a bit more power, but never ever gave one ounce of trouble,did a few big trips out to Broken hill & Hervey Bay.Could easily cruise on 140 comfortably,very good tourer.Wish I still had it,& would not hesitate to purchase another one if I was in the market.(which I won’t be for a very long time.) I would happily have a joke er Juke as a 2nd vehicle.Great little 3 pot turbo engine.

I wasn't doubting how good their product is or isn't, but they could come up with better names from what I hear.
Maybe I need some more grown up friends to hang with ??

Likened to Great Wally.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Spotted a brand new 3 story Cupra dealership in $ydney's CBD this morning.

Yay, just what Australia needs, more VAG

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Yay, just what Australia needs, more VAG

Better than more CCP

[kevino]

Originally Posted by hackney

I use to own a Qashqai in Ti spec with a six speed manual,just a great car,could have done with a bit more power, but never ever gave one ounce of trouble,did a few big trips out to Broken hill & Hervey Bay.Could easily cruise on 140 comfortably,very good tourer.Wish I still had it,& would not hesitate to purchase another one if I was in the market.(which I won’t be for a very long time.) I would happily have a joke er Juke as a 2nd vehicle.Great little 3 pot turbo engine.

The Puma is better than Juke. Three cyl also.
But sadly neither car has a manual box which would make them both a much better drivers car.
One thing on three cyl engines - there is no nil engine braking you have to take care on steep downgrades

[hackney]

Originally Posted by kevino

The Puma is better than Juke. Three cyl also.
But sadly neither car has a manual box which would make them both a much better drivers car.
One thing on three cyl engines - there is no nil engine braking you have to take care on steep downgrades

Puma has the 3cyl Ecoboost Tubo engine(same as my Fiesta ‘S’. )They do come in a manual in the UK, but alas not here.At least Ford saw sense to get rid of the ‘wet belt’ & go to chain instead.Nothing but trouble with those wet belts. Mine seems fine @ 94,000kms. Frequent oil changes is a must with these little engines.

[kevino]

Yours a manual?

[CyberWasp]

Could the rise in Ranger 4x2 sales be on the back of its 5 star crash rating compared to its rivals?

[hackney]

Originally Posted by kevino

Yours a manual?

Yes, my Fiesta is a manual,would not touch a Powershift Fiesta.

[au2000]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Could the rise in Ranger 4x2 sales be on the back of its 5 star crash rating compared to its rivals?

Hard to say, there was a massive push what 6 weeks back re fleet stock on the floor ready for delivery, that might be it, councils etc are not buying base models based on safety ratings, purely on cost and reliability,

My work are atm keeping with 4x2 rangers for daily fleet and moving to VW Transporters for Van duties

[hackney]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I'm surprised they sold this many to be honest, not mention 84 suckers who parted with a large sum of money to buy a Civic.

Honda Accord – 6
Honda Civic – 84
Honda CR-V – 973
Honda HR-V – 165
Honda Odyssey – 0
Honda total – 1228

Honda(what they say anyway) are going for the ‘premium’ end of the market,crazy really.There cars are very well put together & quality is top notch as they are all coming out of Japan, except CRV which is due to start coming out of Japan late this year with the new Hybrid model.All future Honda models will be Hybrid & EV(down the track).The majority of Civics would have been Hybrid anyway.Overpriced? Quite possibly, but it is what it is.Nothing is ‘cheap’ anymore.Majority of manufacturers are increasing their prices quite frequently, so Honda’s pricing is not looking that bad.They have always said right from the very outset, they are chasing profit over volume which to me seems unsustainable.But,what would I know!

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I can't help but think that if the local car manufacturers lasted a few more years, how would their businesses be now that it's so hard to land cars in Australia. Provided they had further diversified or changed the models they were making, if think they would probably still have a viable business case for making cars here.

Covid would have done a number of local production I reckon, if it was still going.

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Looking at another brand, Suzuki have been taking advantage of other brands abandoning the smaller end of the market.

Suzuki Baleno – 62
Suzuki Ignis – 238
Suzuki Jimny – 462
Suzuki S-Cross – 51
Suzuki Swift – 410
Suzuki Vitara – 159
Suzuki total – 1382

Got to have a laugh at 462 people who think the Jimny is a good buy, sort of like miniature 70-Series in terms of a lack of refinement, lack of power and cheeky asking prices.

I don't get it either. I saw one parked near me a few weeks ago and just out of curiosity I looked in the back window to see how much room there was. Absolutely none. So if you genuinely used it for camping, 4 wheel driving etc you couldn't even carry anything in it. Couldn't even fit an esky in there. So what's the point? Just buy a small SUV like a CX3, Puma etc.

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Mitsubishi, the rental car company...............

Mitsubishi ASX – 642
Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross – 823
Mitsubishi Express – 10
Mitsubishi Mirage – 1
Mitsubishi Outlander – 2166
Mitsubishi Pajero – 25
Mitsubishi Pajero Sport – 457
Mitsubishi Triton 4x2 – 191
Mitsubishi Triton 4x4 – 1185
Mitsubishi total – 5500

25 Pajeros? Didn't that go out of production ages ago?

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Nissan, considering it was once a segment heavyweight, look at those Navara numbers...........

Nissan Juke – 154
Nissan Leaf – 57
Nissan Navara 4x2 – 10
Nissan Navara 4x4 – 524
Nissan Pathfinder – 120
Nissan Patrol wagon – 333
Nissan Qashqai – 682
Nissan X-Trail – 654
Nissan Z – 39
Nissan total – 2573

Navara has completely bombed. But so have a lot of others in the segment. The more Ranger and Hilux sell, the fewer Tritons/Navaras/BT50's/D-Max's etc sell. It's becoming a 2 horse race atm.