Why the ICE will be produced for longer than people realise

[MITCHAY]

Cost and range will determine how long ICE lasts. I accept the inevitable but it is a while off yet especially here where we have no plans for anything.

I would expect the fossil fuel/mining industry to do it's best to lobby against anything seen as government assistance to this sector though. After all it is not in their best interest.

[wodahs]

i also have no doubt that the day will come where EVs are the norm on the roads
but i still dont think it will be any time soon as they still have a long ways to come in the power storage area and distance able to travel along with a large population to encourage to uptake of it and as the video suggested it may also ve some time before the price is such that poorer countrys could go from ICE to EV
how ever it would not surprise me when the start producing better batteries for these vehicles ~ theyll be using the body covered in micro solar cells all over the car as one of the ways to help the charge process , above the colour below the clear

[MITCHAY]

The funny part is we have huge lithium deposits.

It seems Australia is truly kissed on the dick when it comes to resources but we have no competent leadership to maximise our potential.

We take the path of least resistance which is dig it up and flog it off everywhere else.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

So our electricity grid can’t handle air conditioners in summer. While some people with install solar panels at home, good luck trying to charge your car on a 40 degree summers day in Victoria.

so the pumps at the servos will be out of action too then as they need electricity to work

[Franco Cozzo]

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I can't listen to him as his style of communication is abrasive and unappealing.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

The funny part is we have huge lithium deposits.

Huge in volume, but very low grade

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

I can't listen to him as his style of communication is abrasive and unappealing.

I'm not a fan either, its a bit too forced but he has some interesting points of discussion.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Huge in volume, but very low grade

Is that because what we extract is poor quality or poor production practises?

Either way on face value it seems on par for most of the **** we import from China

[MITCHAY]

Now that I remember. I have been following the Sky New series 'The Alliance' which is a bit of **** for ads, but the one thing that stuck with me was that while the Aussie operations are miles more efficient, even with that it is still cheaper to base ops in the US. And it is always about energy costs.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

The funny part is we have huge lithium deposits.

It seems Australia is truly kissed on the dick when it comes to resources but we have no competent leadership to maximise our potential.

We take the path of least resistance which is dig it up and flog it off everywhere else.

And then we pick a fight with China and wonder why they don't want to keep buying our exports.
Our government forgot that Australia avoided a recession in 2008 thanks to China buying our exports.

[kypez]

Here is his follow up video when people called him out and efficiencies.

https://youtu.be/oJL9MasBFvM

I think ICE will be around for trucking and rural but for city transport, it's becoming less and less relevant. Especially if the rest of the world embraces EVs, Australia will be forced to change or change to LHD to get legacy ICE.

Took the GTF out last night, love that car. Rest of the time, I prefer the EV.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Is that because what we extract is poor quality or poor production practises?

Either way on face value it seems on par for most of the **** we import from China

It's basically rock that needs to be mined, crushed and processed/ refined
South America sources lithium from brine wells which is as simple as evaporation
of the water and refining the salts.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by jpd80

And then we pick a fight with China and wonder why they don't want to keep buying our exports.
Our government forgot that Australia avoided a recession in 2008 thanks to China buying our exports.

We didn't pick any fight with China.

They are free to go anywhere else if they choose but they won't. Because no one else can meet their demand. They are picking off the low hanging fruit in trade.

They are only ****ed off because they consider us as a US lapdog which we are but now we are more willing to to call out their BS. And public sentiment here is going that way too.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

We didn't pick any fight with China.

They are free to go anywhere else if they choose but they won't. Because no one else can meet their demand. They are picking off the low hanging fruit in trade.

They are only ****ed off because they consider us as a US lapdog which we are but now we are more willing to to call out their BS. And public sentiment here is going that way too.

Yes we did, there was no reason for Scott Morrison to say anything, all he did was put us and our export contracts in the middle of a bitch fight. As soon as South America recovers, they will be taking over a lot of our existing contracts. Chinese culture is different to ours and once they're offended, there's little chance of repairing the relationship.

The real pain comes next year.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by kypez

Here is his follow up video when people called him out and efficiencies.

https://youtu.be/oJL9MasBFvM

I think ICE will be around for trucking and rural but for city transport, it's becoming less and less relevant. Especially if the rest of the world embraces EVs, Australia will be forced to change or change to LHD to get legacy ICE.

Took the GTF out last night, love that car. Rest of the time, I prefer the EV.

Current sales trends show people will be more likely in the next few decades to buy a Chinese made car with an ICE than a EV.

[Sprintey]

I know a bit about the rare earths, and the West is rushing to duplicate a supply chain separate to the Chinese one, for sovereignty purposes. Any sources in Australia are very valuable, and an essential part of a chain being constructed.
What's developing is a decoupling of economic syststems in this regard.
ICE will probably stay around here until the separate system is up and running.

[Crazy Dazz]

And again, no. ICE will stay around because it works.

In terms of mass markets, EVs only exist for two reasons:
1) In the USA they help companies meet & cheat their CAFE targets. Same reason they sell "Plug-In Hybrids" that can't be plugged in anywhere, because under CAFE (and similar state laws) they qualify as ZEVs.
2) In Europe people would walk around with a baguette shoved up their rectum if you told them it was "fashionable".

If anything we are likely to see a backlash against EVs:
1) Eventually people will be shaken out of their "early adopter" stupor and realise they're getting ripped off.
2) Post covid there is huge pressure on local councils and government departments to cut costs, and one thing sure to come under scrutiny is their practice of wasting money on overpriced EVs and pointless Hybrids.
3) Many ICE cars are now coming out with superb fuel-economy, making it even harder to justify EVs.
4) Existing batteries are not living up their claims, and its questionable whether they can be improved sufficiently to meet future predictions.

[Crazy Dazz]

And here's the thing:
Eventually, patients with heart problems will be able to book in for a simple day surgery and get an electronic heart. These units will be better than the original, be utterly reliable, last for 100 years, and cause no rejection issues. Moreover they will be mass-produced in factories and be cheap to buy off the shelf.
I can confidently predict this, because it is technology, and ultimately whatever is "possible" eventually becomes "doable".
But what I can't tell you is whether that will occur in my lifetime, or even my grandchildren's.
AND, I'm certainly not about to stab myself in the heart, so I can get today's model, on the stupid basis that eventually they will get better.

Most current EVs are either stupendously expensive, or utter crud, or both.
They WILL eventually get better, and yes its conceivable they will replace all forms of land transport.
But we are a long way short of that.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

And again, no. ICE will stay around because it works.

In terms of mass markets, EVs only exist for two reasons:
1) In the USA they help companies meet & cheat their CAFE targets. Same reason they sell "Plug-In Hybrids" that can't be plugged in anywhere, because under CAFE (and similar state laws) they qualify as ZEVs.
2) In Europe people would walk around with a baguette shoved up their rectum if you told them it was "fashionable".

If anything we are likely to see a backlash against EVs:
1) Eventually people will be shaken out of their "early adopter" stupor and realise they're getting ripped off.
2) Post covid there is huge pressure on local councils and government departments to cut costs, and one thing sure to come under scrutiny is their practice of wasting money on overpriced EVs and pointless Hybrids.
3) Many ICE cars are now coming out with superb fuel-economy, making it even harder to justify EVs.
4) Existing batteries are not living up their claims, and its questionable whether they can be improved sufficiently to meet future predictions.

Petrol hybrids will extend the usefulness of ICEs for at least another decade, it overcomes
some issues with modern diesels in passenger vehicles and cures the problem of ICEs in
their least efficient mode, stop-go traffic.

For heavy transport, a diesel MG set with electric drive probably makes far more sense than
the giant battery electric described in Bradley's educational video above. It would be a much
better advancement now for truck fleets than BEVs but also gives them greener credentials.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by kypez

Here is his follow up video when people called him out and efficiencies.

https://youtu.be/oJL9MasBFvM

I think ICE will be around for trucking and rural but for city transport, it's becoming less and less relevant. Especially if the rest of the world embraces EVs, Australia will be forced to change or change to LHD to get legacy ICE.

Took the GTF out last night, love that car. Rest of the time, I prefer the EV.

I just watched the video you supplied. What he said in the first video is still correct. The only difference is he did not take into consideration what percentage of the energy is used to propel the vehicle. Although the percentage reduces the gap between an ICE and an EV, the ICE is still the better proposition in most cases.


To state that people 'called him out" is implying that he was being misleading which is not correct.

[CyberWasp]

The humble ICE still has a few tricks up its sleeve yet.
Opposed Piston Technology gets rid of the need for Cylinder Heads and Valves ect whilst dramatically increasing efficiency according to this article.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/871091/...p-tank-engine/

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Why do all EV salad munching advocates have to resort to insulting people that don't share their agenda. you need to learn that it has a reverse affect...

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Exactly. These rabid greenies are just way too biased and brainwashed to be taken seriously, and they always spout over dramatic views to get attention....

Oh the irony

Calling each other names is bad ok. Which ever view you are putting forward.







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[kypez]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

I just watched the video you supplied. What he said in the first video is still correct. The only difference is he did not take into consideration what percentage of the energy is used to propel the vehicle. Although the percentage reduces the gap between an ICE and an EV, the ICE is still the better proposition in most cases.


To state that people 'called him out" is implying that he was being misleading which is not correct.

Not misleading. You just made assumptions. They did call him out. He then corrected his assumptions but the underlying hypothesis was still fair.

I said it was a follow up to when people called him out over the first video. I didn't say that I called him out or that it was inaccurate.

Saying 1 gallon of fuel was the same power output as all the Nissan leaf batteries was functionally incorrect.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Even mates with lawnmowing businesses have switched from petrol engines to batteries.
Solar uptake on homes is going gangbusters many with Tesla batteries as part of it.
In my work I see countless Teslas on the road every day and every major shopping centre has charging facilities, many are free and hooked up to the centres solar panels.


The change is clearly inevitable especially with the investment by major institutions.

The "best" argument to the contrary says maybe in 10 years, however this is a random number that's far enough in the future to make the ICE devotees feel comfortable about their bias.

Pretty much all anecdotal evidences.

Firstly I don't think I've ever seen a lawn mowing business using an electric mower. I see heaps of those business's when walking my dogs around everywhere.

I know quite a few people with Solar. None have Tesla batteries.

I drive 50,000kms a year and see Tesla's once or twice a week. The sales stats show that almost no one is buying them.


My anecdotal evidence contradicts yours. Maybe if it talk down at you it will convince you I'm right. Isn't that how that works?

Originally Posted by Syndrome

I can't listen to him as his style of communication is abrasive and unappealing.

He has changed up his style in the last few videos. Less sarcastic and more serious.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Pretty much all anecdotal evidences.

Firstly I don't think I've ever seen a lawn mowing business using an electric mower. I see heaps of those business's when walking my dogs around everywhere.

Our local Jim's Mowing swears by his Electric Mower.

But accept anecdotal isn't always fact. I'm seeing more Model 3's in Sydney. They are selling well enough.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

The humble ICE still has a few tricks up its sleeve yet.
Opposed Piston Technology gets rid of the need for Cylinder Heads and Valves ect whilst dramatically increasing efficiency according to this article.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/871091/...p-tank-engine/

I had to laugh at the "There’s a new breed of engine coming" comment.

The Commer 'knocker' Truck engine from the 50's

[Ben73]

Pretty relevant video. It was posted yesterday funnily enough.



Which one of you has been emailing Cadogan under the name Dave Gatter?

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Pretty relevant video. It was posted yesterday funnily enough.

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Which one of you has been emailing Cadogan under the name Dave Gatter?

I'm surprised that anyone would admit to watching his stuff let alone replying to it

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Huge in volume, but very low grade

we have the highest Uranium deposits too, but i believe its inefficient to mine.

can you confirm Daz?