VFacts April 2018,

[csv8]

Originally Posted by dunga

I cant believe anyone still buys captiva's

I did. People still confuse the series 1 with the series 3. 45k/kms in 2 years no issues. Tows a 1.9tonne caravan no problems.
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[prydey]

Originally Posted by csv8

People still confuse the series 1 with the series 3.
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No they don't. It might be improved but it's not as good as it's competition. It's cheap.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Why?

200 sales is still 200 sales...

Outselling the Mazda 6 and Stinger.

People are canning the ZB on sales.It is doing better then Mondeo.Still should be given the boot.I dare say there is probably a good profit margin in the thing.Think I have only seen maybe one or two on my local dealer lot in the last six months.Hardly a good seller.Cheers

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by hackney

People are canning the ZB on sales.It is doing better then Mondeo.Still should be given the boot.I dare say there is probably a good profit margin in the thing.Think I have only seen maybe one or two on my local dealer lot in the last six months.Hardly a good seller.Cheers

Mondeo is not named Falcon though. If they called it Insignia no one would care.

[jpd80]

That and Mondeo + Mustang sales are still greater than ZB Commodore.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by hackney

People are canning the ZB on sales.It is doing better then Mondeo.Still should be given the boot.I dare say there is probably a good profit margin in the thing.Think I have only seen maybe one or two on my local dealer lot in the last six months.Hardly a good seller.Cheers

Mondeo hasn't been a historically big seller, nor promised to be.

ZB is failing to draw the buyers that it was hoped to.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by jpd80

That and Mondeo + Mustang sales are still greater than ZB Commodore.

Mustang is a totally different sector of the market.You cannot compare ZB to the Mustang.Cheers

[csv8]

Originally Posted by prydey

No they don't. It might be improved but it's not as good as it's competition. It's cheap.

Cars are/have been overpriced for years in OZ.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by hackney

People are canning the ZB on sales.It is doing better then Mondeo.Still should be given the boot.I dare say there is probably a good profit margin in the thing.Think I have only seen maybe one or two on my local dealer lot in the last six months.Hardly a good seller.Cheers

ZB is coming off the VF2 Commodore base sales and that is their expectation, it’s a fail.

Mondeo is NOT a Falcon replacement, and is second in its segment to Camry.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by csv8

Cars are/have been overpriced for years in OZ.

The market sets the price. Manufacturers will charge what people are willing to pay.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by hackney

Mustang is a totally different sector of the market.You cannot compare ZB to the Mustang.Cheers

Od course I can, they are Ford's two biggest cars up against Holden's biggest car.

And then there's this,
https://www.motoring.com.au/holdin-it-together-112429/

“We’re tracking behind where we want to be. I don’t want to tell you how far.”

Umm, I think you just did with that non-denial denial.....

The company is now believed to have more than 12,000 unsold cars sitting at dealerships
and in storage, with more boats arriving with pre-ordered cars.

Holden doesn't have a problem with car sales, it's getting enough boats to take the cars back home..

We need Tony Abbott to stop the boats again....


Cheers,

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Holden doesn't have a problem with car sales, it's getting enough boats to take the cars back home..

We need Tony Abbott to stop the boats again....

Cheers,

I bet the production orders have been cut at Rüsselsheim.

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by hackney

Ford need to give the Mondeo the big BOOT.👢👎

I think you mean Ford need to give Mondeo *A* boot. As in, a sedan variant.

[lra]

Originally Posted by prydey

The market sets the price. Manufacturers will charge what people are willing to pay.

Can I get a new V6 AWD ZB Commodore for $15,990 drive away, please.?

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by lra

Can I get a new V6 AWD ZB Commodore for $15,990 drive away, please.?

It’s coming....

[prydey]

Originally Posted by lra

Can I get a new V6 AWD ZB Commodore for $15,990 drive away, please.?

you're prepared to pay how much??

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by hackney

People are canning the ZB on sales.It is doing better then Mondeo.Still should be given the boot.I dare say there is probably a good profit margin in the thing.Think I have only seen maybe one or two on my local dealer lot in the last six months.Hardly a good seller.Cheers

The difference is, Holden spent millions re-engineering the Insignia and spent the past 18 months drip feeding the media about how much Australian influence the new Commodore has.

Mondeo just plods along with minimal advertising or fleet hoaring.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Still only down 0.2% compared to April 2017 so i dont think it made that much difference.

April is a slow month, business waits to see what the May budget has in store plus the EOFY sales kick in soon.

However, with 473 ZB Commodore sales, it was at this point Holden realised it was in serious doodoo.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by MrZ

I think you mean Ford need to give Mondeo *A* boot. As in, a sedan variant.

having owned a MA sedan, and MC hatch, i can say that the hatch is the more usable.

[Hawkeye84]

Historically April is always a soft month compared to March.
March is the Japanese EOFY which is why the Japanese Brands' sales numbers were so aggressive/inflated (compared to April). Looking at the comparison between March and April for the Japanese brands, I'd bet there are a lot of cyber cars sitting on the dealer lot with Bart Simpsons as their first owners.

And yes, as mentioned May will be ramping up again with some brands already starting their EOFY campaigns early to get momentum into June

[hackney]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Od course I can, they are Ford's two biggest cars up against Holden's biggest car.

And then there's this,
https://www.motoring.com.au/holdin-it-together-112429/

Umm, I think you just did with that non-denial denial.....


Holden doesn't have a problem with car sales, it's getting enough boats to take the cars back home..

We need Tony Abbott to stop the boats again....


Cheers,

Yep,I read all that a couple of days ago.Quite aware on Bernard’s spin.Again I will say,why are you pitting a sports car up against a sedan?Stupid analogy.It is no way in the same class.Cheers

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

ZB is coming off the VF2 Commodore base sales and that is their expectation, it’s a fail.

Mondeo is NOT a Falcon replacement, and is second in its segment to Camry.

Albeit a very,very distant second.But in saying that even Camry sales are down almost 60% compared to the same time last year.Cheers;)

[csv8]

Originally Posted by lra

Can I get a new V6 AWD ZB Commodore for $15,990 drive away, please.?

Can I get a Mustang V8 for $25k drive away !!!!

[EBSXR6]

The market segment is collapsing, SUV and Light Trucks are now the family vehicles.
It will be interesting to see what the different companies do in regard to this segment.
Do you think Australia will see an updated Mondeo?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by csv8

I did. People still confuse the series 1 with the series 3. 45k/kms in 2 years no issues. Tows a 1.9tonne caravan no problems.
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Just proves that manufacturers can sometimes get the planets to align enough to build at least one good car from hundreds of thousands of lemons. All the while my girlfriends 3 yr old craptiva continues to fall apart, electrics fail and engine to rattle like a washing machine full of spanners on start up. Not to mention the random idle hunting. Absolute hunk of ****.

Your defence of it is good for a laugh though.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by hackney

Again I will say,why are you pitting a sports car up against a sedan?Stupid analogy.It is no way in the same class.Cheers

Just an observation that combined sales of Ford's two largest cars outsells ZB Commodore.
It's not stupid to compare two largest cars in brand A to single largest car in Brand B

Now if Holden had two larger car like Commodore and Malibu or Insignia...oh wait....

[Hawkeye84]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Why?

200 sales is still 200 sales...

Outselling the Mazda 6 and Stinger.

Mondeo, still a player in the medium car segment - even though its 200 sales.
I cant speak for Mazda, but Stinger is constrained by global supply issues. They want to sell more but cant.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Just an observation that combined sales of Ford's two largest cars outsells ZB Commodore.
It's not stupid to compare two largest cars in brand A to single largest car in Brand B

Now if Holden had two larger car like Commodore and Malibu or Insignia...oh wait....

Again,you are comparing a “sports car” up against a car in a completely different segment.Again your analogy is completely wrong.Whether it outsells the ZB is irrelevant.ZB is NOT its competitor.If Camaro was in Holden’s line up,you would have an argument,but you don’t.VFACTS:Sports cars under 150k: Mustang,Mercedes C Class,BMW 2 series(Mustangs direct competitors) Large car under 70k: ZB Commodore,Kia Stinger & Skoda Superb(Direct competitors) Do some research.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by hackney

Again,you are comparing a “sports car” up against a car in a completely different segment.Again your analogy is completely wrong.Whether it outsells the ZB is irrelevant.ZB is NOT its competitor.If Camaro was in Holden’s line up,you would have an argument,but you don’t.Cheers

Here’s something for you, Mustang outsells ZB Commodore

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Here’s something for you, Mustang outsells ZB Commodore

Again(just for you) “Both” vehicle’s are in completely different category’s.They are not even competitors.Whether Mustang “outsells” ZB is irrelevant.