Undercover RTA Officers! - Page 2

15-06-2005, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

But these powers extend to all vehicles - have a look at defecting - http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/n...97387/s26.html

You keep listing NSW documents so I'll keep my comments to NSW. I don't know what the rules and regs are for other states, and suggest people in those states check it for themselves.

Dave

That link does not mention anything about the power to stop vehicles.
If you read section 1 by itself you may be right

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1) A police officer, or the Authority, may inspect a registrable vehicle (whether or not on a road or road related area) for the purpose of deciding its identity, condition or the status of any registration or permit relating to the vehicle.

BUTsection 1A and 1B clearly state

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(1A) A registered operator or owner of, or any person in charge of or having the custody of or selling or having in possession for sale or otherwise of the registrable vehicle must afford the police officer or the Authority all reasonable facilities for making such an inspection.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.

for sale, not driving along, not anywhere unless the vehicle is for sale

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(1B) Without limiting subsection (1), for the purposes mentioned in that subsection and in connection with any inspection, a police officer or the Authority may:
(a) enter in or on the vehicle on a road or road related area, or
(b) enter in or on any premises ordinarily used for the sale of registrable vehicles and in or on such a vehicle on those premises, or
(c) enter in or on any other premises if the officer or the Authority has reasonable cause to believe a registrable vehicle is for sale, held in possession for sale or in a damaged condition as a result of an accident, and may enter in or on any such vehicle on those premises.

part a above means if the vehicle is stopped, the rta do not have the authority to stop the car. Why do you think in the week leading up to summernats the HWP around marulan round up cars and escort them to the marulan defect station, it is because the rta do not have the authority to pull cars over, only heavy vehicles.
part b above refers to premises that are used for the sale of vehicles, this means car yards, not houses.
part c covers everywhere else IF the car is for sale, IF the car is damaged due to an accident.

In short, there is nothing in that link you mentioned that gives rta inspectors the power to pull vehicles (apart from trucks) over. Try not to read more into legal documents that are there, that is how misconceptions begin.

cheers

EA2BA · 15-06-2005, 10:07 AM

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In charge of

that means driving or operating doesnt it

EFPWR · 15-06-2005, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dellboy999

that means driving or operating doesnt it

Or possibly owning..

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EA2BA · 15-06-2005, 10:18 AM

Interpretation you see

..... and if you read the rest of it in context to providing the vehichle for inspection, then that means pulling over.

LG · 15-06-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Firefox7

The only things that make me pull over is the police, Fire brigade or an ammbo....or someone in real distress.......as far as i'm concerned....I'll give the RTA the bird and floor in 3rd if i have too. ...Bye Bye....

Gotta love random posts like that ;)

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15-06-2005, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dellboy999

Interpretation you see

..... and if you read the rest of it in context to providing the vehichle for inspection, then that means pulling over.

not a matter of interpretation. check out how they operate. Why do the rta use hwp to round up cars for checking at marulan prior to the summernats, surely it'd be cheaper using their own staff. Simple answer is they do not have the authority to pull vehicles over (trucks excepted)
If they bluff someone into pulling over, then they can check. and if you don't stop, I can guarantee they will call for hwp to stop you, but you are breaking no laws by refusing to pull over for an rta car

EA2BA · 15-06-2005, 11:03 AM

yes i dont think they have any 'real' authority to pull you over, but as has been said not pulling over would make life very unpleasent when HWP eventually do pull you over.

15-06-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dellboy999

yes i dont think they have any 'real' authority to pull you over, but as has been said not pulling over would make life very unpleasent when HWP eventually do pull you over.

Sorry, didn't realise that we were discussing the best thing to do, but I actually believe you call the bluff of people on a power trip. Too many people give in and all that achieves is the person on a power trip gets more emboldened... cut em down early..... or shoot em all and let god sort em out

If you have a car that is legal, you don't have anything to worry about, if it's illegal, get the hell off the road....

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Dave_au · 15-06-2005, 07:31 PM

I disagree, I can see where you are coming from but I think its safe to say its all down to legal interpretation. If we look at the section involving heavy vehicles it is essentually written in the same context, any logic to suggest that the RTA do not have the same powers of inspection that they hold with heavy vehicles to normal motorists is near unfathomable. Simply put, the RTA has more restrictions on heavy vehicles than normal motorists that concern the majority of their time, they are limited in authority to sections of the traffic act that deal primarily in licencing and motor vehicle roadworthyness.

**Mechan1k** · 16-06-2005, 01:44 AM

I used to for for the RTA for a few years ... as mentioned their main concern was heavy vehicle inspections on the main highways, etc.

But they do have the power to pull any vehicle over that they deem as "excessively" unroadworthy and inspect it on the spot ... if you fail to pull over for them ... they then initiate the Police to pull the offend vehicle over ... the driver of that vehicle then immediately get's charged (same charge as failling to stop for a Police vehicle) ... and then inspected by the RTA on the spot.

If the driver manages to get away ... it doesn't matter .. as the RTA officer has the rego and description of the vehicle ... they will send out an inspection notice in the mail to the registered owner of the vehicle. After the 2nd notice is that is ignored .. registration of the vehicle is cancelled with a flag put on the system that for that vehicle to be registered again it must be inspected at one of the RTA Inspection stations (not a Blue slip station ... ie: over the pits).

If you run from the RTA if they are trying to pull you over ... you get shafted royally ... it makes it so much worse on yourself if you try and flee from them.

Best thing to do is pull over and be polite ... cos ou will have more chance off unscathed that way.

Don't **** an inspector off .. or try and talk down to them as if they don't know anything ... the majority of the RTA inspectors out there knows the vehicle regs laws back to front without looking anything up ... they know their (unlike most coppers).

Just a friendly word of warning.

I think the reason why they pulled the minitruck over initially is because of the suspension (due to it being a commercial/work vehicle). They don't go after cars really ... I saw a burgundy NEW Rodeo with RTA numberplates on fly through Pennant Hills traffic this afternoon ... and didn't bother when I was shadowing all his movements.

Angry Beaver · 16-06-2005, 07:33 AM

Basically from a females veiw wether day or night if i did not recognize any logos and only saw flashing lights i would not stop, Not until i found a cop shop, or until they have a police officer do it. i would not put myself or my children in danger from god knows who, i am just adding my two cents worth as you have all added it from a males point of veiw. its not me disobeying anyone its me putting mine and the children who are with me, safety first.

XRQTOR · 16-06-2005, 09:51 AM

[QUOTE=Mechan1k]

Don't **** an inspector off .. or try and talk down to them as if they don't know anything ... the majority of the RTA inspectors out there knows the vehicle regs laws back to front without looking anything up ... they know their (unlike most coppers).
QUOTE] One night in while we were in the city in my mates riced up Rx impreza which he had just bought we got pulled by HW/P and had to follow them back to a defect station, the dog squad went through each car then the coppers went over it then finally the RTA and Epa had a go each.

After waiting for 3 hours inline my mate gets told to pop the bonnet and the RTA inspector asks where the turbo is, mate said i dunno in there some where. He said mate your turbo isn't here why not, my mate said oh my god it's been stolen call the cops and a young bloke starts writing details down thinking he was for real. Luckly they both saw the funny side of things once they worked out it was a NON turbo model.

The RTA inspector then puts the Db meter right up in the exhaust tip, my mate argued with him about the rule and asked to see it in writing. After a short fight a copper asked to see the rule and it states that the meter has to be X far (1meter it think) from the tip of the exhaust at a 45" angle. WOuldn't have mattered if it was 1o meters back he still wouldn'y have passed the noise test.

Not all of them are as smart as they think.

MITCHAY · 16-06-2005, 10:10 AM

Im guessin the RX had a bonnet scoop? No bonnet scoop or no FMIC is a dead give away that its not turbo. What a dumbarse. How some of these people get their jobs is beyond me.

16-06-2005, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

I disagree, I can see where you are coming from but I think its safe to say its all down to legal interpretation.

fair enough, we will have to agree to disagree.

Doesn't matter though, I only stop for marked police cars, everyone else can flash their lights all they want.

xceler8shun · 16-06-2005, 02:06 PM

How about someone going to an RTA office or calling them up and asking the straight out if they can or cannot pull you over. It would settle it quicker then 3 pages of yes they can, no they cant.

And no, I couldnt be f**ked calling them up or going to an RTA office, I have better things to do, like reading the forum

EA2BA · 16-06-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by xceler8shun

How about someone going to an RTA office or calling them up and asking the straight out if they can or cannot pull you over. It would settle it quicker then 3 pages of yes they can, no they cant.

And no, I couldnt be f**ked calling them up or going to an RTA office, I have better things to do, like reading the forum

If they are just like any government department then ring up 3 times and get 3 different answers as per usual.

I think ringing the local police station would better server the purpose of getting a straight answer.

16-06-2005, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dellboy999

If they are just like any government department then ring up 3 times and get 3 different answers as per usual.

I think ringing the local police station would better server the purpose of getting a straight answer.

lol, what makes you think the police would give you a straight answer... ring 3 different police stations and get 3 different answers.......

XRQTOR · 16-06-2005, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Im guessin the RX had a bonnet scoop? No bonnet scoop or no FMIC is a dead give away that its not turbo. What a dumbarse. How some of these people get their jobs is beyond me.

Like i mention'd it was riced up real good, had a carbon fibre bonnet with a reverse vent. Funny part was he asked him that when looking in the engine bay...............