The Chinese Chinaman cars mostly local, some international - Shanghai Autoshow 2009 - Page 2

Daymoe · 23-04-2009, 07:00 PM

If these things have a decent safety rating and adheres to standards, I wouldn't mind buying one of those cars, looks like a lot of car for little money.

hy_boi · 23-04-2009, 07:01 PM

Spose everyone seems to forget that Toyotas first car was a copy of 2 cars, I believe one from the states, one from europe (if anyone knows what they are that would be cool). But with the reverse design study they were able to make extra horse power (with the motor) compared to the original design.

Falc'man · 23-04-2009, 07:17 PM

I'm lost for words...

How and why would they ruin a good shape with a front end like that? Let them stick to copying others!!

stevepet · 23-04-2009, 07:19 PM

Photo 7 does it for me. Stunning design.
But seriously some don't look too bad. Look how far the Koreans have come anyone seen the new Hyundai Genesis. BEWARE.

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LUXO_8 · 23-04-2009, 07:29 PM

one thing i noticed.... they should all sack their grille designers LOL... half the cars look great let down by gawdy looking grilles...

vztrt · 23-04-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Daymoe

If these things have a decent safety rating and adheres to standards, I wouldn't mind buying one of those cars, looks like a lot of car for little money.

The articles are a little old but thats the latest on the safety of these cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2A
http://www.caradvice.com.au/3612/chi...ail-in-europe/
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/22/b...-anything-but/

Personally I wouldn't allow a manufacturer to sell a new model that isn't at the top end of the safety ratings (5 start for cars and SUV's and 4star for utes). If the governments were serious about road safety they wouldn't let this crap in Australia.

XPfalcon170 · 23-04-2009, 07:57 PM

Mmmmm. You can just smell the reverse engineering

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OZQUAD44 · 23-04-2009, 08:21 PM

I must be in the minority here, but I thought some of those cars looked good. I would have to agree about the grills tho, gaudy to say the least.

Certainly the quality and grade of materials in the cars would have to be questioned if they come into our market, but I don't mind the look of some of them at all. Considering some of the pig ugly cars coming out of other parts of Asia. Some of those rigs look decidedly hot.

How about the names.

BYD looks like BYO.... Don't mind If I do officer...

and "Brilliance", what better name than that!

I might start my own car company, I think I'll call it.... um.... "Awesome". And the first model will be called... um... "dude"

Q. How do you like my new car fellas?

A. Awesome Dude!

Yes, thats right.

buickman · 23-04-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OZQUAD44

I must be in the minority here, but I thought some of those cars looked good. I would have to agree about the grills tho, gaudy to say the least.

Certainly the quality and grade of materials in the cars would have to be questioned if they come into our market, but I don't mind the look of some of them at all. Considering some of the pig ugly cars coming out of other parts of Asia. Some of those rigs look decidedly hot.

I'm with you that comment some do look neat on apperance but are they mud guards shinny on top and crap underneath on quality and saftey.

They are even buying boats that are made in the west and doing copies on their designs nothing safe from the Chinese and copy rights would mean stuff all to Chinas manufacturing company's

F6RspecdaELXR8 · 23-04-2009, 09:08 PM

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philstoj · 23-04-2009, 09:38 PM

GAEI !!!!!

Bossxr8 · 23-04-2009, 09:39 PM

A few companies have tried to sue Chinese manufacturers over stealing their designs, I think VW and GM, but because the cases are heard in Chinese courts its not hard to figure out who won.

I doubt wether its possible for a foreign company to win a case in a communist court.

OZQUAD44 · 23-04-2009, 10:55 PM

I think the only way companies could do anything about all the IP theft, that is clearly going on here, would be to lobby their own governments to prevent the import or sale of product into said country.

I imagine bringing action against companies within China would be a pointless exercise.

vztrt · 24-04-2009, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

A few companies have tried to sue Chinese manufacturers over stealing their designs, I think VW and GM, but because the cases are heard in Chinese courts its not hard to figure out who won.

I doubt wether its possible for a foreign company to win a case in a communist court.

Like I said earlier the government has started to crack down on some of this. But I guess if there is huge amounts of money involved then they will not bother as it helps growth and prosperity of the country.

ltd · 24-04-2009, 08:27 AM

Cheap knock off crap. Problem is, our stupid government wants these chunks of crap here. And our stupid PM is so besotted with China that he'll allow our car industries to die, just so he can get a chubby with the chinese government and safety bereft car manufacturers. I wonder of they'll call one model the "Turncoat PM"?

EDManual · 24-04-2009, 08:53 AM

some of them look ok, most dont though.

barbarian · 24-04-2009, 09:21 AM

Ford on Chinese car market

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLccQBD--4g

TZENU · 24-04-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

The articles are a little old but thats the latest on the safety of these cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2A
http://www.caradvice.com.au/3612/chi...ail-in-europe/
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/22/b...-anything-but/

That is incredible.. Surely the Australia governement would step in to ban these types of cars from hitting our shores... I suppose the only good thing about it would be the fact that if Ford were to push their 5 Star ANCAP rating, they would surely pickup in sales especially if consumers do their research and comparisons between an Australian built product and an imported product from China, particularly re. safety equipment etc!

Josh L · 24-04-2009, 10:17 AM

Am I the only one that think it's good that China has started their own car industry?

Before we jump on the whole copy-cat thingo... let's consider a few things.

All great things have started somewhere, whether it be a parent company or it be an apprentice. Apprentice painters all started by copying their teacher's work.

FoMoCo US's XR Falcon coupe?

How about a certain Toyota Celica that definitely a blatant copy of a mustang fastback.

What about a certain LTD with a Rolls Royce grill?

RX7 with major Porsche flavours?

Copying within the car industry has always been going on... this is still early days yet... they need some influence before they can move onto their own ideas... which u can obviously already see with their front and rear end design.

What we should be worried about is Ford not listening to their consumers when it comes to car design and releasing crap like AU Falcons (a bid to get the taurus to sell) and a new luxurious FG Falcon that only has the V8 in XR8 and GT. Where's the proper luxury V8 gone?

I'm sorry, but I'm for the Chinese car industry.

Road_Warrior · 24-04-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh L

Am I the only one that think it's good that China has started their own car industry?

Before we jump on the whole copy-cat thingo... let's consider a few things.

All great things have started somewhere, whether it be a parent company or it be an apprentice. Apprentice painters all started by copying their teacher's work.

FoMoCo US's XR Falcon coupe?

How about a certain Toyota Celica that definitely a blatant copy of a mustang fastback.

What about a certain LTD with a Rolls Royce grill?

RX7 with major Porsche flavours?

Copying within the car industry has always been going on... this is still early days yet... they need some influence before they can move onto their own ideas... which u can obviously already see with their front and rear end design.

What we should be worried about is Ford not listening to their consumers when it comes to car design and releasing crap like AU Falcons (a bid to get the taurus to sell) and a new luxurious FG Falcon that only has the V8 in XR8 and GT. Where's the proper luxury V8 gone?

I'm sorry, but I'm for the Chinese car industry.

Copying styling cues from one car for your own is one thing, getting a car, reverse engineering the thing so you can make tooling off the parts and then make your own version of that car minus all the safety and engineering R&D (and the reasons behind it) that went with the original is something entirely different.

Paxton · 24-04-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh L

What we should be worried about is Ford not listening to their consumers when it comes to car design and releasing crap like AU Falcons (a bid to get the taurus to sell) and a new luxurious FG Falcon that only has the V8 in XR8 and GT. Where's the proper luxury V8 gone?

I'm sorry, but I'm for the Chinese car industry.

Taurus was dead in Australia before AU was released. The Dealers had an imperative to push Falcon (lead by one Geoff Polites RIP), and Taurus lasted six months. AU was styled in the fashion of New Edge, which, whilst not successful, if, like many people need to, get over the looks, the AU is a brilliant Falcon, easily the most reliable, and a hoot to drive. If I could get one at the right price, I'd be back in one quick smart.

As for Chinese Rip-offs...

Look Familiar?

The Stylist · 24-04-2009, 11:13 AM

Hmm, Lexus RX330 anyone?

Yes the Chinese are getting better with their original designs that they come up with, but as for the blatant rip-offs, they should be taken into the woods and shot.

BlackLS · 24-04-2009, 11:39 AM

If they eventually end up here, I don't have a problem so long as they match safety in the classes they are selling in.

barbarian · 24-04-2009, 12:50 PM

ChangFeng Auto

Paxton · 24-04-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by barbarian

ChangFeng Auto

EVO X anyone?

cheek · 24-04-2009, 02:46 PM

I will NEVER buy a chinese car, due to the fact that they treat their own people like CRAP! Im not sure on the exact figures but I hate how much they pay their workers. Buy Australian!

vztrt · 24-04-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cheek

I will NEVER buy a chinese car, due to the fact that they treat their own people like CRAP! Im not sure on the exact figures but I hate how much they pay their workers. Buy Australian!

Talking to the Chinese nationals (guys I was living with in Singapore) a factory worker was getting about $80 aussie a week.

cosmo20btt · 24-04-2009, 03:15 PM

[QUOTE=ltd]Cheap knock off crap. Problem is, our stupid government wants these chunks of crap here. And our stupid PM is so besotted with China that he'll allow our car industries to die, just so he can get a chubby with the chinese government and safety bereft car manufacturers. I wonder of they'll call one model the "Turncoat PM"?[/QUOte
Wow you dont think that might be a politically motivated speech do you? Dont worry i am sure Rudd will protect his precious Holden when/if the time comes.

Hardtopxb · 24-04-2009, 03:19 PM

I recon most of them look like smiling chinese faces from the front. I saw the owner of BYD state that they had not as yet taken any major polution fixes into consideration because investors only wanted profits not money spent on polution gear..Great Co outlook..

vztrt · 24-04-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardtopxb

I recon most of them look like smiling chinese faces from the front. I saw the owner of BYD state that they had not as yet taken any major polution fixes into consideration because investors only wanted profits not money spent on polution gear..Great Co outlook..

That means they can't export it here. Mind you what they will do is buy an engine from /os and put it into the car so it passes emission standards. I know thats what they are doing with their wheel loaders.